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On August 26 2010 03:03 thesighter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 02:58 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 02:52 thesighter wrote:
Definitely related.
Mosque developers need to take a hint and stop the construction. If the mosque is constructed, I anticipate that there will be more anti-Islam violence, eg the mosque makes the situation of Muslims in NYC much worse.
Republicans are going to use this mosque issue as ammunition for the coming elections. Given that over 60% of Americans are against the mosque, this is going to bad news for the Obama administration.
Or give democrats the obvious ammunition that republicans are hateful bigoted pricks who think the freedoms of speech and religion only apply to white people. The poll numbers indicate otherwise. Contrary to your assumptions, many of the people against the mosque are not "bigoted Republicans". A good number of democrats and independents are against the mosque as well. Most New Yorkers are against the mosque (and they're primarily Democrats). Americans are against the building of the mosque becuase it is offensive to the 9/11 families .
In that case they are just bigoted Americans, not republicans.
You do not have the right to not be offended by something.
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On August 26 2010 03:08 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 03:02 Taniard wrote:
The only problem with the mosque is that it is insensitive, we really have no problem with it, just move it away. Im glad that the driver lived and is ok. It's sad to see such hate and anger It's only insensitive if you hold the false assertion that Islam as a religion of approximately 1-1.8 billion practitioners is connected to the atrocities committed by a few in the name of Islam. Some muslims also fell victim to 9/11, and from what it seems every muslim living in america is an indirect victim even today.
Exactly. Imagine if they built a mosque right on top of the 9/11 ruins. It would become the biggest monument to democracy, compassion and tolerance. But we all know it wouldn't happen in another 1000 years.
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On August 26 2010 03:10 Offhand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 03:03 thesighter wrote:
Americans are against the building of the mosque becuase it is offensive to the 9/11 families .
How is it offensive to 9/11 families? It's a mosque, there's others like it in and around New York.
Because they find islam offensive. They fear it after the connection 9/11 burned in their mind. See thats how the mind works. If you get hurt by something you tend to associate similar things/events/people with that thing. That being said the right action is tolerance. Remember to ask yourself in situations like this WWJD?*
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The mosque controversy is pointless, theres another mosque 4 blocks away from Ground Zero. Why not complain about that? What difference does it make?
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On August 26 2010 02:48 micronesia wrote:
"The driver, identified by the New York Taxi Workers Alliance as Ahmed H. Sharif, 43, stopped the cab and approached a police officer on Third Avenue near 42nd Street. Mr. Enright was arrested at the scene."
"Both men were taken to Bellevue Hospital Center. The driver, whose name was not released, was in stable condition. A law enforcement official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing, said Mr. Enright was “very drunk” at the time of the attack."
I'm very confused by this articleblog?.
Lol, I reread that twice to make sure that it really contradicted itself 
Crazy people are crazy. Nobody deserves to get stabbed for their beliefs (no matter how ridiculous). Such a sad story 
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On August 26 2010 03:17 Archerofaiur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 03:10 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 03:03 thesighter wrote:
Americans are against the building of the mosque becuase it is offensive to the 9/11 families .
How is it offensive to 9/11 families? It's a mosque, there's others like it in and around New York. Because they find islam offensive. They fear it after the connection 9/11 burned in their mind. See thats how the mind works. If you get hurt by something you tend to associate similar things/events/people with that thing. That being said the right action is tolerance. Remember to ask yourself in situations like this WWJD?* * + Show Spoiler +
Finding Islam offensive is bigoted and those who oppose the mosque should be treated as such.
There is no law being broken. There's literally nothing that could hold up in a court case to stop the mosque from being built. Like illegal immigration or gay marriage, it's just another excuse for bigots to be bigots in public and get away with it.
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not newsworthy. Haters are always gonna hate and lets face it, people like that are IRL trolls. They do it for attention and when they get it they consider themselves heroes. Ignore him and throw him in a jail just like a regular criminal, let the inmates sort it out whether its a hate crime or not.
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On August 26 2010 02:52 thesighter wrote:
Definitely related.
Mosque developers need to take a hint and stop the construction. If the mosque is constructed, I anticipate that there will be more anti-Islam violence, eg the mosque makes the situation of Muslims in NYC much worse.
Republicans are going to use this mosque issue as ammunition for the coming elections. Given that over 60% of Americans are against the mosque, this is going to bad news for the Obama administration.
You are telling Muslims Americans to back down due to domestic terrorism? Remember the model of US, we don't negotiate with terrorist, we fight them.
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On August 26 2010 03:23 Offhand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 03:17 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 03:10 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 03:03 thesighter wrote:
Americans are against the building of the mosque becuase it is offensive to the 9/11 families .
How is it offensive to 9/11 families? It's a mosque, there's others like it in and around New York. Because they find islam offensive. They fear it after the connection 9/11 burned in their mind. See thats how the mind works. If you get hurt by something you tend to associate similar things/events/people with that thing. That being said the right action is tolerance. Remember to ask yourself in situations like this WWJD?* * + Show Spoiler + Finding Islam offensive is bigoted and those who oppose the mosque should be treated as such. There is no law being broken. There's literally nothing that could hold up in a court case to stop the mosque from being built. Like illegal immigration or gay marriage, it's just another excuse for bigots to be bigots in public and get away with it.
I didnt say it was. My heart goes out to all those who lost love ones in 9/11. And if they will feel further suffering at seeing a mosque then my heart goes out to them again that old wounds have to be opened. But they (and all of us) must be tolerant lest a far worse evil be done.
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On August 26 2010 03:22 Disregard wrote:
The mosque controversy is pointless, theres another mosque 4 blocks away from Ground Zero. Why not complain about that? What difference does it make?
The other mosque was built 40 years ago for an existing Muslim population. The new mosque was chosen to be built as close to ground zero as possible. It's a $100M, 13 story facility. It's speculated that the funding is from foreign sources, but the developers refuse to divulge this information.
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On August 26 2010 03:26 Archerofaiur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 03:23 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 03:17 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 03:10 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 03:03 thesighter wrote:
Americans are against the building of the mosque becuase it is offensive to the 9/11 families .
How is it offensive to 9/11 families? It's a mosque, there's others like it in and around New York. Because they find islam offensive. They fear it after the connection 9/11 burned in their mind. See thats how the mind works. If you get hurt by something you tend to associate similar things/events/people with that thing. That being said the right action is tolerance. Remember to ask yourself in situations like this WWJD?* * + Show Spoiler + Finding Islam offensive is bigoted and those who oppose the mosque should be treated as such. There is no law being broken. There's literally nothing that could hold up in a court case to stop the mosque from being built. Like illegal immigration or gay marriage, it's just another excuse for bigots to be bigots in public and get away with it. I didnt say it was. My heart goes out to all those who lost love ones in 9/11. And if they will feel further suffering at seeing a mosque then my heart goes out to them again that old wounds have to be opened. But they (and all of us) must be tolerant lest a far worse evil be done. Actually many of the 9/11 families support the mosque and feel honored by it:
"We support the building of the Islamic community center in lower Manhattan and want to explain why we feel that it would honor our son and other victims."
- parents of a victum
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On August 26 2010 03:35 VIB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 03:26 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 03:23 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 03:17 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 03:10 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 03:03 thesighter wrote:
Americans are against the building of the mosque becuase it is offensive to the 9/11 families .
How is it offensive to 9/11 families? It's a mosque, there's others like it in and around New York. Because they find islam offensive. They fear it after the connection 9/11 burned in their mind. See thats how the mind works. If you get hurt by something you tend to associate similar things/events/people with that thing. That being said the right action is tolerance. Remember to ask yourself in situations like this WWJD?* * + Show Spoiler + Finding Islam offensive is bigoted and those who oppose the mosque should be treated as such. There is no law being broken. There's literally nothing that could hold up in a court case to stop the mosque from being built. Like illegal immigration or gay marriage, it's just another excuse for bigots to be bigots in public and get away with it. I didnt say it was. My heart goes out to all those who lost love ones in 9/11. And if they will feel further suffering at seeing a mosque then my heart goes out to them again that old wounds have to be opened. But they (and all of us) must be tolerant lest a far worse evil be done. Actually many of the 9/11 families support the mosque and feel honored by it: "We support the building of the Islamic community center in lower Manhattan and want to explain why we feel that it would honor our son and other victims." - parents of a victum
That is heartening.
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On August 26 2010 03:26 Archerofaiur wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 03:23 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 03:17 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 03:10 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 03:03 thesighter wrote:
Americans are against the building of the mosque becuase it is offensive to the 9/11 families .
How is it offensive to 9/11 families? It's a mosque, there's others like it in and around New York. Because they find islam offensive. They fear it after the connection 9/11 burned in their mind. See thats how the mind works. If you get hurt by something you tend to associate similar things/events/people with that thing. That being said the right action is tolerance. Remember to ask yourself in situations like this WWJD?* * + Show Spoiler + Finding Islam offensive is bigoted and those who oppose the mosque should be treated as such. There is no law being broken. There's literally nothing that could hold up in a court case to stop the mosque from being built. Like illegal immigration or gay marriage, it's just another excuse for bigots to be bigots in public and get away with it. I didnt say it was. My heart goes out to all those who lost love ones in 9/11. And if they will feel further suffering at seeing a mosque then my heart goes out to them again that old wounds have to be opened. But they (and all of us) must be tolerant lest a far worse evil be done.
We must be tolerant, move your heathen religion structure elsewhere!
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On August 26 2010 02:52 thesighter wrote:
Definitely related.
Mosque developers need to take a hint and stop the construction. If the mosque is constructed, I anticipate that there will be more anti-Islam violence, eg the mosque makes the situation of Muslims in NYC much worse.
Republicans are going to use this mosque issue as ammunition for the coming elections. Given that over 60% of Americans are against the mosque, this is going to bad news for the Obama administration.
Wow.
By saying that the mosque developers should stop construction due to violent intimidation, you support terrorism.
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I agree that its pretty retarded to get violent over issues such as the building of the mosque near ground zero. Protesting the mosque on the grounds that it is offensive is as ridiculous as allowing censorship of the prophet Muhammad from our media because of death threats from Muslims. People need to wake the fuck up and realize that they are going against one of the very things their country stands for.
That being said, many people in the US believe that Islam is a pathological religious ideology that is (very much to their dismay) gaining a foothold in the western world. On the most fundamental level Islam is intended to spread Sharia law world wide, the Qur'an even encourages its readers to hide their beliefs and intents from non-believers, and spread its political ideologies. This doesn't fly with alot of people in the US, regardless of their beliefs and whether or not they lost loved ones in 9/11, so I can understand the hatred, just not the bandwagon whining about this mosque that goes against the ideological foundations of the US. If you really have a problem, vote in representatives who have right wing stances on immigration law.
(Don't bother arguing with me about the Qur'an and trying to argue that most Muslims don't take the Qur'an that literally. It is intended to be literal, and the concepts of Sharia Law, Taqiyya, and various punishments for crimes written in the Qur'an repulse me (slightly more than similar shit in the bible). Whether or not people take it literally isn't really a concern to me, it still bothers me.)
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On August 26 2010 03:39 Offhand wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 03:26 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 03:23 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 03:17 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 03:10 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 03:03 thesighter wrote:
Americans are against the building of the mosque becuase it is offensive to the 9/11 families .
How is it offensive to 9/11 families? It's a mosque, there's others like it in and around New York. Because they find islam offensive. They fear it after the connection 9/11 burned in their mind. See thats how the mind works. If you get hurt by something you tend to associate similar things/events/people with that thing. That being said the right action is tolerance. Remember to ask yourself in situations like this WWJD?* * + Show Spoiler + Finding Islam offensive is bigoted and those who oppose the mosque should be treated as such. There is no law being broken. There's literally nothing that could hold up in a court case to stop the mosque from being built. Like illegal immigration or gay marriage, it's just another excuse for bigots to be bigots in public and get away with it. I didnt say it was. My heart goes out to all those who lost love ones in 9/11. And if they will feel further suffering at seeing a mosque then my heart goes out to them again that old wounds have to be opened. But they (and all of us) must be tolerant lest a far worse evil be done. We must be tolerant, move your heathen religion structure elsewhere!
? Im still confused by your statement. As thats not at all what im saying. In no way am i advocating that they should have to move the community center.
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On August 26 2010 03:35 VIB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 03:26 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 03:23 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 03:17 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 03:10 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 03:03 thesighter wrote:
Americans are against the building of the mosque becuase it is offensive to the 9/11 families .
How is it offensive to 9/11 families? It's a mosque, there's others like it in and around New York. Because they find islam offensive. They fear it after the connection 9/11 burned in their mind. See thats how the mind works. If you get hurt by something you tend to associate similar things/events/people with that thing. That being said the right action is tolerance. Remember to ask yourself in situations like this WWJD?* * + Show Spoiler + Finding Islam offensive is bigoted and those who oppose the mosque should be treated as such. There is no law being broken. There's literally nothing that could hold up in a court case to stop the mosque from being built. Like illegal immigration or gay marriage, it's just another excuse for bigots to be bigots in public and get away with it. I didnt say it was. My heart goes out to all those who lost love ones in 9/11. And if they will feel further suffering at seeing a mosque then my heart goes out to them again that old wounds have to be opened. But they (and all of us) must be tolerant lest a far worse evil be done. Actually many of the 9/11 families support the mosque and feel honored by it: "We support the building of the Islamic community center in lower Manhattan and want to explain why we feel that it would honor our son and other victims." - parents of a victum
That's a just one of the token 911 families supporting the mosque. Most are against it. Most NYCers are against it. Most New Yorkers are against it. Most Americans are against it. <- all from the polls
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On August 26 2010 02:52 thesighter wrote:
Definitely related.
Mosque developers need to take a hint and stop the construction. If the mosque is constructed, I anticipate that there will be more anti-Islam violence, eg the mosque makes the situation of Muslims in NYC much worse.
Republicans are going to use this mosque issue as ammunition for the coming elections. Given that over 60% of Americans are against the mosque, this is going to bad news for the Obama administration.
Way to back down to intimidation. I wonder what this country would be like if everyone did the same. Or if we'd even be a country.
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Most Americans are dumb as rocks and still believe Obama was flying one of the planes that hit the WTC. (i think that is how it go's)
Religious people are crazy and do crazy things. I think it is a victory for Americans that a 13 story super mosque is being constructed. Wasn't the WTC despised because it was a symbol of excess?
Besides, crazy muslims will build it, some crazy christians will destroy it and then where will we be.
A whole new bag of crazy.
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