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Full.tilt
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Canada505 Posts
On July 22 2010 23:40 thedeadhaji wrote: Such a service SHOULD be provided by the publishers. But alas, they are morons. I bet you the 20 year olds in the companies have actually proposed such ideas, but have been quashed by the 40+ year olds who aren't connected with the world. Make some subscription service + one click thing (kind of like amazon), where you pay 25c per episode, directly linked to a cc account or something and you'd have a massive revenue stream. I would gladly pay for such a service. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7596 Posts
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TheEvilDog
Sweden24 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On July 22 2010 20:34 lesser_good wrote: all the good shit is on 1000manga, which has yet to display any messages of closing down 1000manga's manga reader is shutting down as well (I always wondered why Dragon Ball was put on 1000manga....). It's so sad T__T So basically we gotta save the websites of the scanlators for the mangas we follow... | ||
thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On July 22 2010 23:43 Back wrote: By the time licensed translations catch up to where I was in Hajime no Ippo I will be 90 years old. I would gladly pay for such a service. It's such simple math... you just add up all the downloaded N chapters on the major sites, multiply it by say, 10% (10% of downloaders will pay $X for the chapter). So now you have N x $X = weekly revenue stream, then you calculate how much it will cost to put up and maintain such a service, outsource translating, yadayada. They probably don't even understand that by providing such a service, you also increase your customer base for hard copies of these books. They are so fucking incompetent... edit: some simple math: say you offer a "read all you want" service for $10/mont that covers Koudansha, Shuueisha and Shougakukan (not all the publishers, but covers the big 3). From the download numbers, I'd imagine that you could get a subscription base of 20,000 users globally (seems pretty realistic??). Annual revenue = 20,000 x $10 x 12 = $2.4M Start off with just the really major series (make a poll on teh site asking the users), say 20 series or something and you can definitely run this business model even considering the start up costs and hiring translators. Add in the potential (very realistic) increase in sales of hard copies worldwide, and some marketing will get you to a $20M business in a few years. | ||
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The_Pacifist
United States540 Posts
I think publishers still could have handled this much better. Simply closing the hosting sites won't increase their revenue (maybe a bit, but only marginally) and will make manga less popular in the west in general. I made the poll below because I'm curious to see that had publishers been willing to work with sites like onemanga and provide digital distribution at reasonable prices (considering it costs essentially nothing for publishers to distribute a digital copy of anything compared to a physical copy), would you be willing to pay and how much? It just bugs me that manga publishers just gave the finger to a huge manga reading userbase instead of making the most of a great opportunity. Business Model #1: MMO Subscription Style. Make a monthly fee for access to unlimited manga (Keep in mind that one volume of a manga, about 5 to 7 chapters of a series, normally costs anywhere in the $15-20 range): Poll: I would be willing to pay a maximum of: $10 per month (14) $5 per month (11) Heck no. I'm not paying squat! (2) $1 per month (1) $20 per month or more (1) $15 per month (0) 29 total votes Your vote: I would be willing to pay a maximum of: (Vote): $1 per month Business Model #2: Pay per View. You pay for each released chapter and can keep the chapter. I am willing to pay: Poll: I would be willing to pay a maximum of: $ 0.25 per chapter (19) They can't have my money! Up theirs! (3) $ 0.50 per chapter (2) $ 1.00 per chapter (1) $ 1.50 per chapter (0) $ 2.00 per chapter (0) over $ 2.00 per chapter (0) 25 total votes Your vote: I would be willing to pay a maximum of: (Vote): $ 0.25 per chapter Final Poll: Poll: If I could I would choose... Flat out pirate it all (13) Some combination of pirating, online distibution, and buying hard copies (4) a digital distibution model like the ones above (3) I'd just pirate but buy online if the price was reasonably low enough (2) I'd pirate and buy from a bookstore (2) to rather buy manga from a bookstore (1) 25 total votes Your vote: If I could I would choose... (Vote): a digital distibution model like the ones above | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9056 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
On July 22 2010 23:53 The_Pacifist wrote: Business Model #1: MMO Subscription Style. Make a monthly fee for access to unlimited manga (Keep in mind that one volume of a manga, about 5 to 7 chapters of a series, normally costs anywhere in the $15-20 range): It's $9 for 200 pages and that's on the high end. It also depends on where you live. They probably don't even understand that by providing such a service, you also increase your customer base for hard copies of these books. They are so fucking incompetent... It's not incompetence when their secondary goal is trying to keep their army of store front owners, sales associates, paper publishing workers, and paper book marketing execs employed. Digital distribution is best for the worldwide release, but Japanese folks would want it, too. That would put a dent into their primary hard copies market. | ||
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thedeadhaji
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On July 22 2010 23:53 The_Pacifist wrote: I think publishers still could have handled this much better. Simply closing the hosting sites won't increase their revenue (maybe a bit, but only marginally) and will make manga less popular in the west in general. I made the poll below because I'm curious to see that had publishers been willing to work with sites like onemanga and provide digital distribution at reasonable prices (considering it costs essentially nothing for publishers to distribute a digital copy of anything compared to a physical copy), would you be willing to pay and how much? It just bugs me that manga publishers just gave the finger to a huge manga reading userbase instead of making the most of a great opportunity. After giving the situatution some thought (including my rage in this thread lol), I think one main reason they cannot embrace digital distribution is because of how heavily intertwined each of the production steps are inside japan. ie Author -> publisher -> printing company -> shipping company -> book store If they offered digital sales globally, users would surely demand such a service domestically, which will probably rape the downstream firms. (of course, they're probably blind to the fact that people who are going to pirate digital copies aren't suddently going to buy physical copies b/c their lives got marginally harder)This is actually how the system SHOULD work. Outdated mediums should die in the face of competition. However, that's not how japan rolls. Rolls into its deathbed that is. On July 23 2010 00:01 TanGeng wrote: It's $9 for 200 pages and that's on the high end. It also depends on where you live. It's not incompetence when their secondary goal is trying to keep their arm of store front owners, sales associates, paper publishing workers, and paper book marketing execs employed. ya I definitely hear ya. "why" they are doing what they are doing is logical. But should they be making such decisions in the first place? Japanese old guard firms refused to live in the present, and as a result, have been completely annihilated by services such as amazon. Same thing is going to happen with the e-reader business as well btw, it's deifnitely going to be a non-domestic ervice that's going to become the market leader. | ||
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Tekin
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s[O]rry
Canada398 Posts
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thedeadhaji
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On July 23 2010 00:01 TanGeng wrote: Digital distribution is best for the worldwide release, but Japanese folks would want it, too. That would put a dent into their primary hard copies market.  looks like we're reaching the same conclusion. | ||
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Yukidasu
Australia125 Posts
On July 23 2010 00:02 thedeadhaji wrote: Outdated mediums should die in the face of competition. However, that's not how japan rolls. Rolls into its deathbed that is. You're right, but it's hardly a problem that's constrained to Japan. It's a problem that confronts business everywhere - it's usually better and safer for a firm to work within the framework that exists rather than go their own way. There are only a few industries that seem to avoid this to some extent (like the software industry). | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
$5 per month unlimited reading might be a good price for one single magazine with 20-40 titles. The most you are going to get is all the titles under one publishing house's umbrella. And since it might include back issues, there would probably have to be an account registration fee. $.25 per chapter is a ridiculous price for most of the mass market titles. For weekly serials that's a subscription of $12.50 per year. It's outrageous. | ||
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TunaFishyMe
Canada150 Posts
i need my weekly dose of haji no ippo, naruto, and bleach. I've been reading this shit since highschool. 1000 manga doesnt have any of these. Where can i get this  !!!! | ||
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The_Pacifist
United States540 Posts
On July 23 2010 00:18 TanGeng wrote: First of all for the poll, I'm going to comment on the prices. $5 per month unlimited reading might be a good price for one single magazine with 20-40 titles. The most you are going to get is all the titles under one publishing house's umbrella. And since it might include back issues, there would probably have to be an account registration fee. $.25 per chapter is a ridiculous price for most of the mass market titles. For weekly serials that's a subscription of $12.50 per year. It's outrageous. I probably should have put in an option under 25 cents. Still, $12.50 per year is vastly cheaper than buying that many hard copies. Where I live, I can't even find a single volume of any series for under $15. On July 23 2010 00:21 TunaFishyMe wrote: ok guys... i need my weekly dose of haji no ippo, naruto, and bleach. I've been reading this shit since highschool. 1000 manga doesnt have any of these. Where can i get this !!!!Since many of you don't seem to understand, 1000manga is going down as well. I know. Source: http://forum.onemanga.com/showthread.php?t=86405 | ||
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Garaman
United States556 Posts
im so annoyed this is where i read all my manga. DAMNNNNN YOUUUUUU | ||
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SwEEt[TearS]
Canada1575 Posts
I'm reading 58 ongoing mangas. with mangashotokan getting the shaft earlier this month, it's going to be a pain in the ass to keep up with everything -_- and it's not like I don't buy shit either. I think since I started reading mangas years ago I might've spent somewhere around $3k US (I have at least 200 books @ 10-15 bucks each so yeah). I am quite mad, bro. I think I'll spend the day getting all the scanlation groups sites, siiiiiiiiigh. for people that don't know where else to read stuff, those are the other sites I use: + Show Spoiler + kinda incomplete, but oh well. | ||
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