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Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
July 13 2010 20:10 GMT
#41
On July 14 2010 04:51 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2010 00:05 BlackJack wrote:
On July 13 2010 21:25 ooni wrote:
I liked to call Team USA, Team Asia. Click the team members to see why.
.


Lol I recognize a name on that team

Apparently he is good at spelling too



Wouldn't be surprised if he was autistic :/

Who else would be able to muster 2 years of spelling training looking through the whole dictionary learning how to spell exactly everything just to win the spelling contest...
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-13 20:25:07
July 13 2010 20:13 GMT
#42
On July 14 2010 04:51 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2010 00:05 BlackJack wrote:
On July 13 2010 21:25 ooni wrote:
I liked to call Team USA, Team Asia. Click the team members to see why.
.


Lol I recognize a name on that team

Apparently he is good at spelling too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRZNQ06kWyc


Wouldn't be surprised if he was autistic :/


yeah I think he has some type of asperger's. I went to math camp with him twice and was in the booth beside him at ISEF (international sci/engineering fair). He's a fucking genius (no shit, he was 2nd place in the world this year and is one of the few few people who will go to IMO 4 times, especially for such a strong country as the USA) but is not so good socially. I hate how people make fun of him though Also I believe I first saw an interview of him for the spelling bee on the way to a math competition, and that was after he received Honorable Mention (top 24) on the USA Math Olympiad (the hardest high school math contest in the US)... in 8th grade. wtf.

Anyway I solved 1,2,4 probably the day they came out (respectively, since there's 2 days of this... 4.5 hours, 3 problems per day.) Been spending a little time on #5, which supposedly Terence Tao (Fields medalist-top prize in the world in math) claims is the hardest problem on the whole thing... I got up to 5*2^(5*2^55-1) heh? that's still way smaller than 2001^2001^2001 though D:

My solution to #1 was kind of blegh, pretty similar to arbiter_md's (I mean I guess they have to all be similar)... plug in x=0, y=0 and you get that either

f(0)=0, [f(1)]=1, or
f(1)=0 or [f(0)]=1. The latter two cases give f(x) = 0, f(x) = c where 1<=c<2 respectively, while plugging in x=2, y=1/2 for the first gives a contradiction since you get 1=0*(something).

#2 was pretty easy for #2 since it's well-known that D is the circumcenter of BCI... though I didn't realize that the diametrically opposite point of I in circle BCI is actually the excenter opposite A -.-;; luckily that's just something to notice and doesn't affect the solution.

I posted my solution to #4 on AoPS but I was pretty stupid and overkilled it with inversion @_@

anyway the point of this post is to make myself feel better for failing to make IMO for the fourth (and last) year in a row (not doing any math isn't helpful ). I believe at least one person on the US team has an account on TL though, and he's incidentally my only friend who can compete with me in FPL ... Also Stryker went to IMO in 2005 I believe (which I think is where I first heard of him :O and then I realized he was really fucking good at SC too and was like O_O)

On July 14 2010 05:08 Hamster1800 wrote:
Man I didn't make IMO Well I probably would have failed the geometry problems anyway.


sup I didn't either darn hamster our grade fails
also lol I thought you learned how to solve G3s?
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Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
July 13 2010 20:45 GMT
#43
On July 14 2010 05:13 ]343[ wrote:
Been spending a little time on #5, which supposedly Terence Tao (Fields medalist-top prize in the world in math) claims is the hardest problem on the whole thing... I got up to 5*2^(5*2^55-1) heh? that's still way smaller than 2001^2001^2001 though D:

If you go by how many that solved the problems the difficulty of the problems goes like this:
6>3>5>2>1>4

Knowing too much makes it hard to gauge how hard the problems are.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
July 13 2010 20:58 GMT
#44
On July 14 2010 05:45 Klockan3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2010 05:13 ]343[ wrote:
Been spending a little time on #5, which supposedly Terence Tao (Fields medalist-top prize in the world in math) claims is the hardest problem on the whole thing... I got up to 5*2^(5*2^55-1) heh? that's still way smaller than 2001^2001^2001 though D:

If you go by how many that solved the problems the difficulty of the problems goes like this:
6>3>5>2>1>4

Knowing too much makes it hard to gauge how hard the problems are.


haha that's probably true.

Also I believe NK was disqualified for sneaking some type of notecards into the testing room... I wonder if that coach will defect? LOL

also Kazakhstan has never done this well before, but it was in their home country so :O
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Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
July 13 2010 21:00 GMT
#45
Nice to see Russia 2nd, just 1 point over USA. Soviets were more beastly though.

China dominates.
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-13 21:06:05
July 13 2010 21:05 GMT
#46
kakaka Russia got us this year.

In 2005 we squeezed them out for 2nd place by a single point.
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
July 13 2010 21:07 GMT
#47
On July 14 2010 06:05 StRyKeR wrote:
kakaka Russia got us this year.

In 2005 we squeezed them out for 2nd place by a single point.


:D wait that was the year before Brian Lawrence too... Eric Price and Mildorf got golds?
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
July 13 2010 21:09 GMT
#48
Oolala time for some geometry fun. I remember for my high school geometry class we had to present a problem and work out a solution as a "final" of sorts, so I pulled some random IMO problem. It took quite a bit longer than expected -_-
YoonHo
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada1043 Posts
July 13 2010 21:09 GMT
#49
Damnnnnn. China is amazing. Even though this is my first time seeing IMO results, it doesn't suprise me to see who's in top 5. Khazastan is a bit surprising though.
IUFam Golf Wang~ NrGsteve
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
July 13 2010 21:15 GMT
#50
On July 14 2010 06:07 ]343[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2010 06:05 StRyKeR wrote:
kakaka Russia got us this year.

In 2005 we squeezed them out for 2nd place by a single point.


:D wait that was the year before Brian Lawrence too... Eric Price and Mildorf got golds?


Brian Lawrence got a perfect score that year. Eric Price, Mildorf, and some dude god I forget his name got golds, Sherry and I got silvers.
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
July 13 2010 21:16 GMT
#51
On July 14 2010 06:05 StRyKeR wrote:
kakaka Russia got us this year.

In 2005 we squeezed them out for 2nd place by a single point.

Russia however do not have 50% Asians in their team...
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16961 Posts
July 13 2010 21:17 GMT
#52
On July 14 2010 06:09 EtherealDeath wrote:
Oolala time for some geometry fun. I remember for my high school geometry class we had to present a problem and work out a solution as a "final" of sorts, so I pulled some random IMO problem. It took quite a bit longer than expected -_-


Whoa, you did IMO problems for your high school geometry class? :<

The closest I ever got to the IMO was being one question away on the AIME (given my AMC score) to qualify for the USAMO T_T...never got an A in math in high school though :/

Stats major in college haha.
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]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
July 13 2010 21:22 GMT
#53
On July 14 2010 06:17 Empyrean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2010 06:09 EtherealDeath wrote:
Oolala time for some geometry fun. I remember for my high school geometry class we had to present a problem and work out a solution as a "final" of sorts, so I pulled some random IMO problem. It took quite a bit longer than expected -_-


Whoa, you did IMO problems for your high school geometry class? :<

The closest I ever got to the IMO was being one question away on the AIME (given my AMC score) to qualify for the USAMO T_T...never got an A in math in high school though :/

Stats major in college haha.


apparently in China they do proofs all the time so it's whatever ;P

plus some IMO geometry (or problems in general) is not that hard, especially older problems

the easiest IMO problem ever was probably IMO 1959 (the first IMO) #1 though... "prove that (21n+4)/(14n+3) is irreducible"
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blankspace
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States292 Posts
July 13 2010 21:23 GMT
#54
On July 14 2010 04:28 Klockan3 wrote:
I love the fact that Korea all scored 0 on problem 5, shows that their instructor forgot to teach them the technique needed for that problem... The problem isn't even that hard.

Edit: I solved problem 1,5 and 6, don't want to bother with the geometry ones and I don't get anywhere on problem 3. Having taken a ton of maths courses really helps, the first problem is trivial then.

I guess what these countries do is to teach their participants a lot of number theory and geometry so that they can solve these questions, since that is all this.
Anyone know how to solve number 3? Probably something simple I just don't see right now.


http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=644&t=356076

Idea is to use perfect square condition to mess with p-adic valuations and then find g(n+1) = g(n)+1.
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Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
July 13 2010 21:29 GMT
#55
On July 14 2010 05:13 ]343[ wrote:
I got up to 5*2^(5*2^55-1) heh? that's still way smaller than 2001^2001^2001 though D:

Sort of a spoiler since it shows in which way you are doing it wrong but
+ Show Spoiler +
I got up to 2^2^2......^2, (225 2's), which is a bit more than enough
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
July 13 2010 21:33 GMT
#56
On July 14 2010 06:16 Klockan3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2010 06:05 StRyKeR wrote:
kakaka Russia got us this year.

In 2005 we squeezed them out for 2nd place by a single point.

Russia however do not have 50% Asians in their team...

Not a single one.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-13 21:34:31
July 13 2010 21:33 GMT
#57
On July 14 2010 06:29 Klockan3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2010 05:13 ]343[ wrote:
I got up to 5*2^(5*2^55-1) heh? that's still way smaller than 2001^2001^2001 though D:

Sort of a spoiler since it shows in which way you are doing it wrong but
+ Show Spoiler +
I got up to 2^2^2......^2, (225 2's), which is a bit more than enough


ah I was suspecting something like this was possible... but I still don't see how to get that *keeps trying*

edit: russia is just really good. practically asian in their work ethic/love of math
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dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
July 13 2010 21:38 GMT
#58
On July 13 2010 21:21 StRyKeR wrote:
China had a girl on the team. Beast!


u mean beauty?
...from the land of imba
Magic84
Profile Joined October 2008
Russian Federation1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-13 22:06:24
July 13 2010 21:41 GMT
#59
On July 14 2010 06:38 dybydx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2010 21:21 StRyKeR wrote:
China had a girl on the team. Beast!


u mean beauty?

She's pretty cute for an unkempt nerd. With skilled make-up, clothes and haircut she would be hot. Hot and brainy, that's rare.
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
July 13 2010 21:43 GMT
#60
On July 13 2010 21:25 ooni wrote:
I liked to call Team USA, Team Asia. Click the team members to see why.
EDIT: Didn't know Kazakhstan were good at math. O__O Oh Borat how you ruined my view of the world.


lol, i noticed the same thing ... Asian pride baby!
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