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BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
December 03 2016 12:58 GMT
#16161
On December 03 2016 21:20 Manit0u wrote:
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Well obviously a Beginner's Guide has been written by beginners. ^^
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18255 Posts
December 03 2016 13:03 GMT
#16162
That has to be done on purpose, right? With a wink? Or is this just a great example of "those who can, do. those who can't, teach"
Nesserev
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium2760 Posts
December 03 2016 13:16 GMT
#16163
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phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
December 03 2016 19:48 GMT
#16164
Where is that picture of Peter Griffin trying to fix the blinds?

http://m.imgur.com/gallery/Q3cUg29
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
waffelz
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Germany711 Posts
December 03 2016 23:16 GMT
#16165
Small update on my project:
I went with the PI instead of an Arduino since I figured it would be possible to hook it up to an power outlet and it turned out to be the much cheaper solution in the end. It also got way bigger in theory, but I wait with further plans until I see how my gift is perceived.

However, I am know up to the knees deep in hardware/switches and wires. I was never a big fan of circuits and electricity in general in the first 3 semester courses but now I really like it. In the past few weeks I spend way too much time and money on this stuff, another 2 PI for myself, I can now unlock the door to the house I live in via smartphone (people tend to break their key on that door and don't bother to tell maintenance), I can boot my desktop via smartphone so I can work remote on it, I got a sunlight, temperature and humidity sensor on my window, I even have a small pump lying around to water stuff (don’t ask why, I don’t even know myself... I don’t have any plants - but I could have some now with little effort. At least the sunlight-sensor can be used if I ever move and have different curtains that could automatically lowered and the rest is just some information I can now check on my phone I guess...), I can check the weight of my cereal boxes from my smartphone, so I will never forget to rebuy some...

Basically I got addicted and bummed every sensor that could be remotely useful of friends and put it to use (while stretching the meaning of "use" by a lot...). Besides the door opener, nothing is of real use, but still… I never thought I could have that much fun wiring stuff. DIY-Internet of things is a hell of a drug and I start to think I might have a problem...
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Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17717 Posts
December 03 2016 23:29 GMT
#16166
On December 04 2016 08:16 waffelz wrote:
DIY-Internet of things is a hell of a drug and I start to think I might have a problem...


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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19200 Posts
December 04 2016 02:46 GMT
#16167
On December 04 2016 08:16 waffelz wrote:
Small update on my project:
I went with the PI instead of an Arduino since I figured it would be possible to hook it up to an power outlet and it turned out to be the much cheaper solution in the end. It also got way bigger in theory, but I wait with further plans until I see how my gift is perceived.

However, I am know up to the knees deep in hardware/switches and wires. I was never a big fan of circuits and electricity in general in the first 3 semester courses but now I really like it. In the past few weeks I spend way too much time and money on this stuff, another 2 PI for myself, I can now unlock the door to the house I live in via smartphone (people tend to break their key on that door and don't bother to tell maintenance), I can boot my desktop via smartphone so I can work remote on it, I got a sunlight, temperature and humidity sensor on my window, I even have a small pump lying around to water stuff (don’t ask why, I don’t even know myself... I don’t have any plants - but I could have some now with little effort. At least the sunlight-sensor can be used if I ever move and have different curtains that could automatically lowered and the rest is just some information I can now check on my phone I guess...), I can check the weight of my cereal boxes from my smartphone, so I will never forget to rebuy some...

Basically I got addicted and bummed every sensor that could be remotely useful of friends and put it to use (while stretching the meaning of "use" by a lot...). Besides the door opener, nothing is of real use, but still… I never thought I could have that much fun wiring stuff. DIY-Internet of things is a hell of a drug and I start to think I might have a problem...

That's usually how it goes. "Basic hardware programming? What good is that?" followed closely by "OMG I can do ALL THE THINGS"
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waffelz
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Germany711 Posts
December 04 2016 12:38 GMT
#16168
On December 04 2016 11:46 tofucake wrote:
That's usually how it goes. "Basic hardware programming? What good is that?" followed closely by "OMG I can do ALL THE THINGS"


A pretty good summary, even though the hardware programming stuff wasn't even to unfamiliar. My biggest revelation was that I actually get electricity and circuits now. Previously it was a topic that somehow always managed to stay vague and not matter how much time I invested, I never got very confident with it. Suddenly, I am able to read up on stuff and feeling confident about it afterwards. I guess it is the effect of working on a project with "real" use. Time to get a plant so I can try out my idea of a simple automated growing station
RIP "The big travis CS degree thread", taken from us too soon | Honourable forum princess, defended by Rebs-approved white knights
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
December 04 2016 13:07 GMT
#16169
uno is lower level than pi right? pi is a linux computer and uno is a controller board so uno is closer to electronics than pi?
Age of Mythology forever!
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
December 05 2016 01:16 GMT
#16170
1 < 3.14 ...

Well, the math checks out.
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-05 01:45:40
December 05 2016 01:42 GMT
#16171
Take an iframe with some responsive content inside it, and with scrolling="no" for the iframe on. Is there any way to make the iframe expand to match the size of the inner content, such that when you're on mobile (making the content tall and narrow), the iframe shows all the content by ordinary thumb scrolling the outer website?

EDIT I should add, if you only have access to the source code of the inner content, not the iframe itself. I may be able to get access to the iframe page and use javascript dynamic solutions or just make scrolling="yes" for the iframe, but in the interim I just have the inner source.
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Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
December 05 2016 06:44 GMT
#16172
On December 04 2016 22:07 mantequilla wrote:
uno is lower level than pi right? pi is a linux computer and uno is a controller board so uno is closer to electronics than pi?

If we're talking about Arduino Uno and Raspberry Pi, yes.

In fact, I once wrote code on Raspberry Pi (you can install Arduino IDE on it) and uploaded that code on Arduino just to see if I could do it.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-05 08:11:05
December 05 2016 08:10 GMT
#16173
I've started realizing that I'm less productive and motivated when I'm in college than I am when I motivate myself on my own. I'm switching to self-teaching using the numerous resources available to obtain the skillset for (at a minimum)an entry-level job as a software developer. I was wondering if you guys could help me by steering me in the right direction for this option?

Has anyone here gone through(or know anyone that has) the process of learning programming without a formal degree?
I'd like to know what your experience was like, how did you learn the necessary knowledge?
What problems did you run into in this route, and what would you have done differently?

Any suggestions are welcome. Please respect that I've already decided that I'm going to commit myself in this direction, rather than a formal education. I'm coming out of one year's worth of a Computer Science degree.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
December 05 2016 08:15 GMT
#16174
On December 05 2016 17:10 3FFA wrote:
I've started realizing that I'm less productive and motivated when I'm in college than I am when I motivate myself on my own. I'm switching to self-teaching using the numerous resources available to obtain the skillset for (at a minimum)an entry-level job as a software developer. I was wondering if you guys could help me by steering me in the right direction for this option?

Has anyone here gone through(or know anyone that has) the process of learning programming without a formal degree?
I'd like to know what your experience was like, how did you learn the necessary knowledge?
What problems did you run into in this route, and what would you have done differently?

Any suggestions are welcome. Please respect that I've already decided that I'm going to commit myself in this direction, rather than a formal education. I'm coming out of one year's worth of a Computer Science degree.


It is not a formal degree, but I went to a coding bootcamp. (Dev bootcamp in chicago specifically)
I think it is great because they give you a really well laid out but hands off guide for getting you into code. You get out what you put into it, and because it is so short (18 weeks) It can feel better than doing the 4 year formal degree to some
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shz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany2687 Posts
December 05 2016 09:41 GMT
#16175
On December 05 2016 17:10 3FFA wrote:
I've started realizing that I'm less productive and motivated when I'm in college than I am when I motivate myself on my own. I'm switching to self-teaching using the numerous resources available to obtain the skillset for (at a minimum)an entry-level job as a software developer. I was wondering if you guys could help me by steering me in the right direction for this option?

Has anyone here gone through(or know anyone that has) the process of learning programming without a formal degree?
I'd like to know what your experience was like, how did you learn the necessary knowledge?
What problems did you run into in this route, and what would you have done differently?

Any suggestions are welcome. Please respect that I've already decided that I'm going to commit myself in this direction, rather than a formal education. I'm coming out of one year's worth of a Computer Science degree.


The thing that helped me the most was to find project and technologies that interest me and try to realize them. I got a pretty good freelance gig with basically no experience (as always, connections are the most important thing), and learned a lot while on the job.

If you don't want or can't pay for a bootcamp try to pick something that seems interesting and try to solve a problem, do a project. This helps the most with motivation in my experience.
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Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
December 05 2016 09:52 GMT
#16176
Do you guys believe that native mobile development is dying and all switching to web applications?
njt7
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden769 Posts
December 05 2016 09:59 GMT
#16177
Yes, its more efficient to do one application for both and use wrapper libraries for anything OS specific E.G. https://github.com/rusel1989/react-native-bluetooth-serial

"All the casters who flamed me ever for anything."
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19200 Posts
December 05 2016 12:29 GMT
#16178
On December 05 2016 17:10 3FFA wrote:
I've started realizing that I'm less productive and motivated when I'm in college than I am when I motivate myself on my own. I'm switching to self-teaching using the numerous resources available to obtain the skillset for (at a minimum)an entry-level job as a software developer. I was wondering if you guys could help me by steering me in the right direction for this option?

Has anyone here gone through(or know anyone that has) the process of learning programming without a formal degree?
I'd like to know what your experience was like, how did you learn the necessary knowledge?
What problems did you run into in this route, and what would you have done differently?

Any suggestions are welcome. Please respect that I've already decided that I'm going to commit myself in this direction, rather than a formal education. I'm coming out of one year's worth of a Computer Science degree.

I'm self taught from back before all these code sites were around (Git hadn't been invented yet) and bootcamps weren't a thing either. I just found as many open source projects that were similar to something I wanted to do (bnet bot :D) and dug into them to see how they all did the same thing. Really, it was just diving head first and getting myself constantly IP banned from battle.net...
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
RoomOfMush
Profile Joined March 2015
1296 Posts
December 05 2016 14:49 GMT
#16179
On December 05 2016 17:10 3FFA wrote:
I've started realizing that I'm less productive and motivated when I'm in college than I am when I motivate myself on my own. I'm switching to self-teaching using the numerous resources available to obtain the skillset for (at a minimum)an entry-level job as a software developer. I was wondering if you guys could help me by steering me in the right direction for this option?

Has anyone here gone through(or know anyone that has) the process of learning programming without a formal degree?
I'd like to know what your experience was like, how did you learn the necessary knowledge?
What problems did you run into in this route, and what would you have done differently?

Any suggestions are welcome. Please respect that I've already decided that I'm going to commit myself in this direction, rather than a formal education. I'm coming out of one year's worth of a Computer Science degree.

I dont know what your college is like, but at our university we dont really teach programming. We consider the act of programming to be too simple to be taught in higher education. Its like teaching reading and writing in an english major.

What we teach is the higher concept of it all. Sure, we have classes on programming but are just there to make sure everybody has the necessary basic level of programming knowledge. Students are expected to teach themselves all the finer details.
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-05 17:30:34
December 05 2016 16:46 GMT
#16180
Thanks for the fast replies!

I'll look into bootcamps for sure.
Are there any specific bootcamp programs you guys would recommend over others? Anything I should avoid?

edit:
There are times when I wish I lived in the UK. This is one of them lol.
(Found a Free bootcamp in the UK, might be worth putting into your new OP? Figured I'd link this in anycase)
http://www.foundersandcoders.com/programme/course-information/

On December 05 2016 23:49 RoomOfMush wrote:
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On December 05 2016 17:10 3FFA wrote:
I've started realizing that I'm less productive and motivated when I'm in college than I am when I motivate myself on my own. I'm switching to self-teaching using the numerous resources available to obtain the skillset for (at a minimum)an entry-level job as a software developer. I was wondering if you guys could help me by steering me in the right direction for this option?

Has anyone here gone through(or know anyone that has) the process of learning programming without a formal degree?
I'd like to know what your experience was like, how did you learn the necessary knowledge?
What problems did you run into in this route, and what would you have done differently?

Any suggestions are welcome. Please respect that I've already decided that I'm going to commit myself in this direction, rather than a formal education. I'm coming out of one year's worth of a Computer Science degree.

I dont know what your college is like, but at our university we dont really teach programming. We consider the act of programming to be too simple to be taught in higher education. Its like teaching reading and writing in an english major.

What we teach is the higher concept of it all. Sure, we have classes on programming but are just there to make sure everybody has the necessary basic level of programming knowledge. Students are expected to teach themselves all the finer details.

Yeah, my college taught mostly basics of programming and some basic theory, but nothing too advanced. I went through their Computer Science I and II classes and it was almost all stuff I already knew. Professors (throughout the college) did a lot of time-wasting tangents too which was aggravating to me. I had whole CSII classes focused on the US Debt-Tracking site, iPhones, etc. with no relation to what we were actually studying at all... oh, and that actually got rid of our midterm exam because of 'time constraints'. >_<
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