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Days
Profile Joined February 2010
United States219 Posts
March 24 2014 16:21 GMT
#9141
On March 25 2014 00:51 LonelyCat wrote:
So Comparable forces you (as you know) to implement the compareTo method. This method is used by other methods (for example Collections.sort) to determine which of 2 objects is "larger".

So lets take your Investment class and say we want to say the price of an investment is

double totalPrice = numShares*price;


and an investment is "greater" than another investment if its total price is higher than the other:


public int compareTo( Investment rhs ){
/* Find out this objects total price*/
double thisTotalPrice = this.numShares*this.price;

/* Find out rhs total price */
double rhsTotalPrice = rhs.numShares*rhs.price;

/* Return the difference (this - rhs)*/
return thisTotalPrice - rhsTotalPrice;
}


+ Show Spoiler +

Note that this implementation will not work as numShares and price are declared as private, so you need getters/setters to access them.


The important thing is:
If this > rhs then the returned value is > 0.
If this .equals(rhs) then the return value is == 0 (this is NOT enforced, however it is good practice).
if this < rhs then the returned value is < 0.


If we then were to do:

ArrayList<Investment> investments = new ArrayList<Investment>();
/* ... Fill ArrayList ...*/
Collections.sort(investments);


then ArrayList<Investment>.get(0) would have the lowest total price investment (as the .sort method sorts in ascending order).

Hope this helps somewhat


Yes that helped a lot, thank you! I'm still confused about the difference between the comperable and iterable for my Account class that implements both. I know the iterable is passing the list of portfolios, how exactly am I to use this with the list of portfolios. Does iterable also use Collections.sort?
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Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
March 24 2014 16:59 GMT
#9142
On March 24 2014 19:04 endy wrote:
Anyone has a nice framework to recommend to develop cross platform mobile apps?
Most of them, like PhoneGap seem to be based on Javascript? Is Javascript powerful/robust enough? I don't think it can compare with a solid object oriented language.

edit: Also not very sure of how I can use a local database like Sqlite when using such a framework, or how to make my application work when offline.





If you're interested in game development, I recommend Game Closure. It's open source and they have a pretty good dedicated community to answering questions about the framework.
supereddie
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands151 Posts
March 24 2014 17:04 GMT
#9143
On March 25 2014 01:21 Days wrote:

Yes that helped a lot, thank you! I'm still confused about the difference between the comperable and iterable for my Account class that implements both. I know the iterable is passing the list of portfolios, how exactly am I to use this with the list of portfolios. Does iterable also use Collections.sort?

Don't implement the iterable on the Account class. It makes no sense from a design/OO-perspective.
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LonelyCat
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom130 Posts
March 24 2014 17:57 GMT
#9144
I agree with the previous poster, however if you're really set on it then you could do:


class Account implements Comparable<Account>, Iterable<Portfolio> {
private String accountId;
private List <Portfolio> portfolios;

@Override
public int compareTo(Account obj){
return 0;
}
void addPortfolio( Portfolio obj2 ){

};

public Iterator<Portfolio> iterator(){
return portfolios.iterator();
}


Iterable does not have anything to do with Collections, for example:

public class Set implements Iterable, Collections

is the java Set class - it implements iterable (so you know you can get an iterator over the set) as well as Collections, so you can call any Collections method on the Set too (like Collections.sort(Set)).

If you want to use iterable what you probably want to do is not implement iterable but instead do:

class Account implements Comparable<Account> {
private String accountId;
private List <Portfolio> portfolios;

@Override
public int compareTo(Account obj){
return 0;
}
void addPortfolio( Portfolio obj2 ){

};

public Iterator<Portfolio> getPortfolioIterator(){
return portfolios.iterator();
}
Days
Profile Joined February 2010
United States219 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-24 18:07:18
March 24 2014 18:04 GMT
#9145
Ahh okay it's all making sense now. Technically it doesn't make sense to implement iterable since the Iterator already does what it needs to do without the use of implementing iterable. It would basically be redundant to implement iterable. Thank you guys lots!

Edit: I hope that makes sense what I just said from a logical point, if not you're welcome to correct me :D
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Encdalf
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany66 Posts
March 25 2014 09:25 GMT
#9146
On March 24 2014 19:04 endy wrote:
Anyone has a nice framework to recommend to develop cross platform mobile apps?
Most of them, like PhoneGap seem to be based on Javascript? Is Javascript powerful/robust enough? I don't think it can compare with a solid object oriented language.

edit: Also not very sure of how I can use a local database like Sqlite when using such a framework, or how to make my application work when offline.

Using JS is usually fine, however there are areas where a native implementation is better. But that depends on what you want to do.
I used PhoneGap a while back for several Apps and it worked. I can't say anything about Appcelerator but I guess in the end it comes down to what do you need and which suits you better

As for making the app offline capable, you simply put all data into the app, and ship it with it. Or you download files on demand and store them in the app. As for database, the frameworks have a database api you can use.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
March 25 2014 10:07 GMT
#9147
On March 24 2014 20:04 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 19:04 endy wrote:
Anyone has a nice framework to recommend to develop cross platform mobile apps?
Most of them, like PhoneGap seem to be based on Javascript? Is Javascript powerful/robust enough? I don't think it can compare with a solid object oriented language.

edit: Also not very sure of how I can use a local database like Sqlite when using such a framework, or how to make my application work when offline.


Appcelerator Titanium. Nothing else comes close.


This looks pretty good, I will give this a try first. Thanks!

On March 25 2014 01:59 Athos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 19:04 endy wrote:
Anyone has a nice framework to recommend to develop cross platform mobile apps?
Most of them, like PhoneGap seem to be based on Javascript? Is Javascript powerful/robust enough? I don't think it can compare with a solid object oriented language.

edit: Also not very sure of how I can use a local database like Sqlite when using such a framework, or how to make my application work when offline.


If you're interested in game development, I recommend Game Closure. It's open source and they have a pretty good dedicated community to answering questions about the framework.


Not interested in games for now, but thank you.

On March 25 2014 18:25 Encdalf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 19:04 endy wrote:
Anyone has a nice framework to recommend to develop cross platform mobile apps?
Most of them, like PhoneGap seem to be based on Javascript? Is Javascript powerful/robust enough? I don't think it can compare with a solid object oriented language.

edit: Also not very sure of how I can use a local database like Sqlite when using such a framework, or how to make my application work when offline.

Using JS is usually fine, however there are areas where a native implementation is better. But that depends on what you want to do.
I used PhoneGap a while back for several Apps and it worked. I can't say anything about Appcelerator but I guess in the end it comes down to what do you need and which suits you better

As for making the app offline capable, you simply put all data into the app, and ship it with it. Or you download files on demand and store them in the app. As for database, the frameworks have a database api you can use.


Hmm ok, I just feel that JS is fine for scripting as its name indicates. But I don't think you can write clean, easy to maintain and more importantly re-usable code with JS as you could with Java.
Thanks!





ॐ
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-25 12:17:28
March 25 2014 12:16 GMT
#9148
On March 25 2014 19:07 endy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2014 20:04 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On March 24 2014 19:04 endy wrote:
Anyone has a nice framework to recommend to develop cross platform mobile apps?
Most of them, like PhoneGap seem to be based on Javascript? Is Javascript powerful/robust enough? I don't think it can compare with a solid object oriented language.

edit: Also not very sure of how I can use a local database like Sqlite when using such a framework, or how to make my application work when offline.


Appcelerator Titanium. Nothing else comes close.


This looks pretty good, I will give this a try first. Thanks!

Show nested quote +
On March 25 2014 01:59 Athos wrote:
On March 24 2014 19:04 endy wrote:
Anyone has a nice framework to recommend to develop cross platform mobile apps?
Most of them, like PhoneGap seem to be based on Javascript? Is Javascript powerful/robust enough? I don't think it can compare with a solid object oriented language.

edit: Also not very sure of how I can use a local database like Sqlite when using such a framework, or how to make my application work when offline.


If you're interested in game development, I recommend Game Closure. It's open source and they have a pretty good dedicated community to answering questions about the framework.


Not interested in games for now, but thank you.

Show nested quote +
On March 25 2014 18:25 Encdalf wrote:
On March 24 2014 19:04 endy wrote:
Anyone has a nice framework to recommend to develop cross platform mobile apps?
Most of them, like PhoneGap seem to be based on Javascript? Is Javascript powerful/robust enough? I don't think it can compare with a solid object oriented language.

edit: Also not very sure of how I can use a local database like Sqlite when using such a framework, or how to make my application work when offline.

Using JS is usually fine, however there are areas where a native implementation is better. But that depends on what you want to do.
I used PhoneGap a while back for several Apps and it worked. I can't say anything about Appcelerator but I guess in the end it comes down to what do you need and which suits you better

As for making the app offline capable, you simply put all data into the app, and ship it with it. Or you download files on demand and store them in the app. As for database, the frameworks have a database api you can use.


Hmm ok, I just feel that JS is fine for scripting as its name indicates. But I don't think you can write clean, easy to maintain and more importantly re-usable code with JS as you could with Java.
Thanks!




http://coffeescript.org/

Java has pretty horrid code re-usability actually, but I think I've beaten the horse to death enough over that.
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Cyx.
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada806 Posts
March 26 2014 03:01 GMT
#9149
On March 12 2014 08:47 Cyx. wrote:
e: so I guess I should tell you guys how my 'command line interview' went... it was not as complex as previously thought, I just had to write a couple of scripts and fix some bugs in some stuff. It was on the command line on Ubuntu so all the stuff I had been worrying about for the last couple days was still pretty useful, but I didn't have to know how to grep anything or anything dumb like that ^^


second update: I got the job! So I get to actually code things for four months this summer instead of waiting tables, and someone is actually going to pay me for it... which is as good as I could have hoped for in second year =D next year I'll try and get an internship somewhere involved with gaming but for now I'm just satisfied that all the programming I've done over the last few years is actually going to pay me for once =D
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
March 26 2014 03:09 GMT
#9150
Congrats man! I know the feeling!
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
March 26 2014 17:34 GMT
#9151
Can someone recommend me good books on OOP, TDD and MVVM, maybe AOP? Not so much introductory material, but books that "lay down the law", clear and precise. Not all in one book of course, but rather one or two books for each topic.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-27 07:28:32
March 27 2014 07:06 GMT
#9152
How do you debug a timeout in .net 4.0?

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It works if you make the app bind on port 80, but we have two different parts of the site that are currently running on different ports.
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bangsholt
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark138 Posts
March 27 2014 09:00 GMT
#9153
Fire up Wireshark or http://www.telerik.com/fiddler - then you have an idea of what's being sent back and forth, or the lack thereof, which should help you
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
March 27 2014 16:01 GMT
#9154
On March 27 2014 02:34 spinesheath wrote:Not so much introductory material, but books that "lay down the law", clear and precise


There's really no such thing. Depending on who you speak to everyone will have a different idea of how "OOP" is meant to be. Anyone who tells you how OOP is meant to be like this and that really doesn't know what they're talking about (which is unfortunately almost all programmers).

Find out all you can about OOP, but never hold yourself to any one doctrine, because they're all correct and incorrect in one way or another.

I have read a lot of books on OO but my favorite one is still

http://www.amazon.com/Object-Design-Roles-Responsibilities-Collaborations/dp/0201379430

As for TDD, the best book is probably

http://www.amazon.com/Working-Effectively-Legacy-Michael-Feathers/dp/0131177052
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gargantotang
Profile Joined September 2013
7 Posts
March 27 2014 16:31 GMT
#9155
Hello TL programmers, I have question for you.

I am an engineering student who took a C++ for engineering course (basic stuff) and have been using the language to solve larger problems that I don't want to do or can't do in excel. When using it for a recent modeling program, I noticed the larger the program got, the more frequently it would inexplicably crash. No errors of any sort, and after rebooting and recompiling it would often run just fine.

Why is it doing this and how do I make it stop? Is the computer trying to do the calculations too fast and I need to set a limit to how fast it does them (opening the task manager I saw the CPU would often be running at 98%), or is it a memory problem (I often get a blue screen talking about a memory dump)? This kind of problem is outside of my knowledge base, and I feel the programmers must have dealt with these kinds of problems a long while ago. Any advice or reading material suggestions on the issue would be appreciated.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
March 27 2014 16:51 GMT
#9156
On March 28 2014 01:01 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2014 02:34 spinesheath wrote:Not so much introductory material, but books that "lay down the law", clear and precise


There's really no such thing. Depending on who you speak to everyone will have a different idea of how "OOP" is meant to be. Anyone who tells you how OOP is meant to be like this and that really doesn't know what they're talking about (which is unfortunately almost all programmers).

Find out all you can about OOP, but never hold yourself to any one doctrine, because they're all correct and incorrect in one way or another.

I have read a lot of books on OO but my favorite one is still

http://www.amazon.com/Object-Design-Roles-Responsibilities-Collaborations/dp/0201379430

As for TDD, the best book is probably

http://www.amazon.com/Working-Effectively-Legacy-Michael-Feathers/dp/0131177052

Well, there's got to be a baseline consensus on OOP at least.

Anyways, thanks for the suggestions!
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
March 27 2014 17:14 GMT
#9157
On March 28 2014 01:51 spinesheath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2014 01:01 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On March 27 2014 02:34 spinesheath wrote:Not so much introductory material, but books that "lay down the law", clear and precise


There's really no such thing. Depending on who you speak to everyone will have a different idea of how "OOP" is meant to be. Anyone who tells you how OOP is meant to be like this and that really doesn't know what they're talking about (which is unfortunately almost all programmers).

Find out all you can about OOP, but never hold yourself to any one doctrine, because they're all correct and incorrect in one way or another.

I have read a lot of books on OO but my favorite one is still

http://www.amazon.com/Object-Design-Roles-Responsibilities-Collaborations/dp/0201379430

As for TDD, the best book is probably

http://www.amazon.com/Working-Effectively-Legacy-Michael-Feathers/dp/0131177052

Well, there's got to be a baseline consensus on OOP at least.

Anyways, thanks for the suggestions!


OOP designs does differ a lot depending on implementation. OOP for C++ is different than OOP from Java, etc... If you look at just one language, there's probably a good book that provides an excellent set of rules to live by. It's been some time since I did any heavy lifting in any OOP language though, so I don't have any suggestions.

Except don't use Exceptions if you're using C++, because unexpected arbitrary length code execution is bad.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-27 19:22:13
March 27 2014 19:14 GMT
#9158
On March 28 2014 02:14 RoyGBiv_13 wrote:
Except don't use Exceptions if you're using C++, because unexpected arbitrary length code execution is bad.


Huh? Why?

I see : http://google-styleguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/cppguide.xml#Exceptions

but this counter-example here : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3312513/on-a-disadvantage-of-exceptions-in-c/3312577#3312577

makes sense.
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dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
March 27 2014 19:18 GMT
#9159
On March 28 2014 01:31 gargantotang wrote:
Hello TL programmers, I have question for you.

I am an engineering student who took a C++ for engineering course (basic stuff) and have been using the language to solve larger problems that I don't want to do or can't do in excel. When using it for a recent modeling program, I noticed the larger the program got, the more frequently it would inexplicably crash. No errors of any sort, and after rebooting and recompiling it would often run just fine.

Why is it doing this and how do I make it stop? Is the computer trying to do the calculations too fast and I need to set a limit to how fast it does them (opening the task manager I saw the CPU would often be running at 98%), or is it a memory problem (I often get a blue screen talking about a memory dump)? This kind of problem is outside of my knowledge base, and I feel the programmers must have dealt with these kinds of problems a long while ago. Any advice or reading material suggestions on the issue would be appreciated.


It sounds like you probably have one or more memory leaks somewhere in the program.

This causes your program to take up more and more memory until it crashes.

There are two solutions to this for you: Look up how to manage memory properly in C++, or use a language such as Python, Java, or C# that has garbage collection that deals with memory management for you.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
March 27 2014 20:03 GMT
#9160
On March 28 2014 04:14 Blisse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2014 02:14 RoyGBiv_13 wrote:
Except don't use Exceptions if you're using C++, because unexpected arbitrary length code execution is bad.


Huh? Why?

I see : http://google-styleguide.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/cppguide.xml#Exceptions

but this counter-example here : http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3312513/on-a-disadvantage-of-exceptions-in-c/3312577#3312577

makes sense.

Yeah, if you're using new/delete in C++ without boxing it into a constructor/destructor pair, you're doing it wrong.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
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