The Big Programming Thread - Page 297

On May 09 2013 05:21 misirlou wrote:


Depends more on the job/position than on the language. The guys that get the highest payments dont really code anything.

On May 09 2013 05:24 darkness wrote:


If you mean managers, bosses in general, then I see what you mean.

On May 09 2013 05:08 darkness wrote:
Are jobs with C++/Java usually well paid or do you need to go for a less used language like ABAP/COBAL/etc to have good salary?

On May 09 2013 11:24 phar wrote:
Dev support really depends on the company. It's hard to say exactly what your job will entail without knowing the company and the exact position. I've seen dev support for places where you're basically just glorified tech support, acting as a filter for stupid customer problems. I've also seen dev support at other places where you do actually have to read code (and less frequently fix bugs).

So you may be able to learn a lot of stuff about real development, but maybe not. Depends on the position



Going to agree with misirlou here, it really depends. There are high and low paying jobs for all ranges. Using US numbers here, there will be java/C++ devs out of college who make 50k, and there will be ones who make >150k. There really aren't a lot of ABAP/COBOL people coming out of college because not many places use it that much.

So even if you compare raw numbers for "java dev" with raw numbers for "cobol dev," you might be missing out on the underlying data that shows that the average age & experience of a cobol dev is way higher, as it's much rarer to learn that stuff these days. At some level it's a dying breed.

It's curious that you're even considering going for something like ABAP/COBOL. Do you have someone who works for SAP trying to convince you to go apply there?

On May 09 2013 12:15 Craton wrote:
That really depends on what you mean by "good salary."

I think we start people somewhere north of 60k if they've got a wide breadth of language knowldge (say, Java, C#, C++/C, SQL) and some internship experience. More typical starting salary is in the 50k range out of college, I'd say.

Mobile development (apps) and agile development (methodology) are really big right now.

I've never even heard of ABAP. Maybe it makes "more" because it's so niche and hard to find people who know it.

On May 09 2013 12:12 darkness wrote:


Yep, my father. He has to deal with this ABAP/SAP stuff at work. He is the one that has advised me recently to look for "business processes" when I was praising OOP/Java/C++. He thinks C++ is difficult and that you need to be extremely good to achieve good salary with that language. I think he is saying in a way that you could earn more with ABAP if you're less skilled than for C++.

On May 09 2013 05:35 ZeroReverse wrote:
I have been wondering something for the past two days, and looking at the last several posts, its seems that it is ok to ask here.

I have graduated recently and have just a small internship behind my back. Now I have a chance to apply for a job as a junior dev support at quite a good company. The position is not public - the offer is directed to a limited number of people. The small amount of initial information given, suggests that as a dev support, I will have to solve problems that other devs have with their code, develop example applications showcasing certain products and functionality, create tutorials, etc.

I actually want to be a developer myself, but what got me interested in this offer is that it seems to me as a great chance to learn from the mistakes of other more experienced developers. What concerns me tho is that I dont know if this is the right start, or at least a good one. In this company there is a career path to developer (among others) which starts from the said position, but what about if I want to change companies? Is a background as a developer support considered good or is it looked down upon as someone who just did not make it?

The one short thread which I found on stackexchange, suggests that the position indeed is a very good start, but I need some advice please.

On May 08 2013 08:17 darkness wrote:
ABAP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABAP

On May 09 2013 19:34 gyth wrote:

THAT LANGUAGE LOOKS ANGRY. I DON'T THINK I COULD WORK WITH A LANGUAGE THAT WAS ALL CAPS ALL THE TIME. WAS THAT THING MADE BEFORE TELETYPES HAD LOWER CASE?

On May 09 2013 22:31 Craton wrote:
Companies aren't stupid. They know college grads know basically nothing.

On May 10 2013 07:47 thOr6136 wrote:
Hey, i have a problem.

So, java. Summing up a task first: 300 txt files with dates and temperatures over 10 years. I have to read all the temperatures and add them into maps with different kind of keys, for value we use List<Double> for storing temperatures. So basically we have to make 4 kind of maps with different kind of keys. One key is Location (name of file) other one is Location + year etc. After that we have to make another set of maps - keys equivalent to the ones before only values have to be different. This time we need double array (List before) with 2 values in it, one is an average value of all temperatures in that list (from map from before). Now here i have a problem.

I use a method for generating a new HashMap with same keys as before but different kind of values (double arrays). The problem is, when i add keys to the new map i am creating (i use put(key, value)) it overwrites values from before but the key is completely different. It shouldn't happen because put method always compares 2 keys with equals() method and it compares hashCode(). When i debug the key that i input in put method is always different, but values get overwritten each time. It's so strange... Anyway i can post a code of this part:

    public static HashMap<String, double[]> averages(HashMap<String, List<Double>> map)
    {
        HashMap<String, double[]> mapAverage = new HashMap<>();
        double[] x = new double[2];
        
        for(Map.Entry<String, List<Double>> entry : map.entrySet())
        {
            // if i System.out.println(key); all keys are different
            String key = entry.getKey();
            //used to generate average number of all temperatures in list
            x[0] = povprecje(entry.getValue(), key);
            //used to generate something else
            x[1] = odmik(entry.getValue(), key, x[0]);
            mapAverage.put(key, x);
        }
        return mapAverage;
    }

Is there anything that could make overwriting all the values from before in map? Or am i missing something in this part?

On May 10 2013 09:18 berated- wrote:


You need to move the double[] creation to within the for loop.

Even though you are putting new values in the array, you are putting the same array into each entry into the map.