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Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
July 01 2010 20:22 GMT
#41
Sweden has the same fucking issue. We spent like 80 million dollars on vaccines for something that was no more dangerous then the common flu. 80 million dollars can get you a lot of fucking health care for the citizens. Instead we got a mass vaccination campaing that didnt cure shit except send more money to Big Pharma. Where the fuck is the regulations and the police? Who cares about the robber that got away with 10k and is hiding in a cave somewhere. Go after these guys!
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
July 01 2010 20:24 GMT
#42
Sigh, you guys -_-
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
July 01 2010 21:02 GMT
#43
So in my state every person living in the dorms at WSU got swine flu. They had to close the school.

It's not just about deaths, its also about loss of revenue due to people not being at work. And the "scare tactic" propaganda from the pharmaceutical companies must have worked as infection rates were lower everywhere else.

Having worked in a care provider job I got the priority vaccine and I have to say it was pretty fuckin nice to be able to help people and not have to miss school.
Diuqil
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States307 Posts
July 01 2010 21:17 GMT
#44
On July 02 2010 03:09 FraCuS wrote:
I never got my shot.

I'm healthy as a Bull

That has swords stuck to its neck :p?
hejakev
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden518 Posts
July 01 2010 21:18 GMT
#45
On July 02 2010 04:18 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2010 03:59 hejakev wrote:
On July 02 2010 03:41 MangoTango wrote:
Overhyped fake crisis met with proper skepticism, doo dah, doo dah.

That's not to say that there aren't real health problems related to the influenza virus; it's just that the H1N1 swine flu was just blown totally out of proportion. That's $250m that could have been used for something useful, like helping poor people. Just kidding, I meant slaughtering innocent civilians half a world away.


God, tell me about it. What a waste of money and manpower.

No one I know got vaccinated, nor did I hear about anyone I know getting the virus. Only like 8,000 people on Earth have died from it.

More people died from illegal firearms in the US last year than people killed by a "worldwide epidemic", sounds like the nation needs to get its priorities straight.

(edit: grammar mistake)

It was arguably an overreaction in order to prevent what was regarded as a possible "pandemic". Naturally it didn't happen but did you see how scared people were. There was this insane girl in school who wore one of those blue masks ALL THE TIME, and this is nothing compared to other places.

On one side, I understand why people regard this as an huge fluke - it appears to be. Millions of dollars to prevent* a crisis that never happened. Now pay attention, the money was spent to -PREVENT- a crisis.

There are two possibilities:
1: It would have died off on its own without the help of the vaccine, probably killing a few more people. (Arguably the likely outcome)
2: It would have mutated and expanded and killed more people. (Unlikely in H1N1)

Basically, we disarmed a bomb not knowing whether or not it was real. If it was a real bomb, it was disarmed and nobody will ever know what could have happened. If it was a fake bomb, we "wasted" that money by being cautious.

When something like this happens, it's in our interest for people to be at least moderately scared so they start practicing basic hygiene and stop sneezing in my face.


Next time a deadly virus pops out, should we wait for it to be dangerous before we start spending money on fixing it, or is it worth it to spend more money in trying to patch it up early even if it may turn out to be useless?

I have a friend in TX who was hospitalized for a while because of this virus. He has a condition, something about his kidneys not working properly I believe. He couldn't get the vaccine because of it. His brother could have used the vaccine. Turns out, his brother got it (pull through easily) and gave it to my friend, who's immune system is garbage. He almost died.

One of the reasons to get the vaccine is to avoid giving the virus to other people.


Either way that's how I feel =)

Cheers.

Show nested quote +
scare tactics created to have us buying a vaccine that had not even been tested long term.

You don't know how vaccines work x_x


Vaccines are more than necessary for many people with illnesses. Mass production of a vaccine for the public to prevent a virus we knew months in advance was about as harmful as the common cold is overreaction.
NIJ
Profile Joined March 2010
1012 Posts
July 01 2010 21:21 GMT
#46
Being in the business of prevention and security sucks for this reason. If you're doing your job right, people are going to be ungrateful bastards. If you fail at your job people are still gonna blame you.

You get shitted on when you fail, you get criticized when you succeed. It's catch-22 at it's best.

Having said that, "better safe than sorry" still isn't always the proper response. But in this case I think WHO did a decent job since there was a legitimate reason to be cautious. Anyone can dictate what should've been done after everythings been settled. But thats why those people aren't the decision makers. We need people to make decisions as things are happening, not when its all over.
Act of thinking logically cannot possibly be natural to the human mind. If it were, then mathematics would be everybody's easiest course at school and our species would not have taken several millennia to figure out the scientific method -NDT
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
July 01 2010 21:22 GMT
#47
Swine flu was dangerous?
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hejakev
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden518 Posts
July 01 2010 21:22 GMT
#48
On July 02 2010 04:21 travis wrote:
Well, the people who manufacture this vaccine work for a business. Businesses aim to make profit. Profit is made by selling as much of their product as possible. Businesses control pretty much every branch of the government, and have a large amount of media influence. Fill in the blanks.


Q: How many people have died from the 2009 swine flu pandemic?

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US:
3 March 2010 -- As of 12 February 2010, According to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), it is estimated* that since the beginning of the pandemic, the US has had approximately 57 million cases of A-H1N1/09 Pandemic Swine Flu and approximately 11,690 resulting deaths. Based upon this, an estimate of the mortality rate in the US from the pandemic is 0.02%.

In comparison, the CDC and World Health Organization (WHO) have estimated that with seasonal flu, "we see over 30 million cases in the United States. We see 200,000 hospitalizations and, on average, 36,000 deaths." (During the entire fall and winter flu season.) Based upon this, the average mortality rate of seasonal flu in the US would be 0.12 %.



answers.com

so, maybe it was highly contagious. but how dangerous was it actually? how did the media portray it?



But, despite this - I will say there is much greater corruption and much worse things to be upset about.


Exactly! It had nothing to do with keeping the public safe, we knew it was relatively harmless to the average person when the first reports came out. The article should read "$250 million in lost profits for pharmaceutical companies".They weren't "over-prepared", they were over-ambitious.
hejakev
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden518 Posts
July 01 2010 21:25 GMT
#49
On July 02 2010 06:22 Kurumi wrote:
Swine flu was dangerous?


Only to the super old, diseased, or obese. Pretty much everyone else could expect a full recovery in a few days.
tryummm
Profile Joined August 2009
774 Posts
July 01 2010 21:34 GMT
#50
On July 02 2010 03:02 Ecrilon wrote:
Better to be safe than...dead. While the waste is unfortunate, it is better than the alternative.


We were being safe?
http://www.infowars.com/swine-flu-and-martial-law/
http://www.infowars.com/swine-flu-is-deadly-mix-of-never-before-seen-viruses/
http://www.infowars.com/is-swine-flu-a-biological-weapon/

Please be sure to click the links within the articles.
PaddyPower
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom82 Posts
July 01 2010 21:44 GMT
#51
On July 02 2010 03:24 CharlieMurphy wrote:
fucking joke country we live in. "hey lets make tons of this worthless vaccine because someone told us this new strain of flu is dangerous (even though there are new strains every year)"
but tbh, 260$ mil is nothing for a loss compared to the debt with everything else.


Sorry sir but the only thing thats a "fucking joke" is that no matter what the goverment does they wont win with people like you around, if they didn't make enough there would be this article with "250 million spare that could have been used on vaccacines .. how much is a life really worth??"

If i was american i would be quite proud my country were willing to spend so much money to insure my safety.
i r pro
st3roids
Profile Joined June 2010
Greece538 Posts
July 01 2010 21:49 GMT
#52
Its everywhere the same.

Btw apart governments have any1 estimated how much money every year we spend as a world into useless things like sunblocks ?

Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-01 21:56:03
July 01 2010 21:49 GMT
#53
On July 02 2010 06:44 PaddyPower wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2010 03:24 CharlieMurphy wrote:
fucking joke country we live in. "hey lets make tons of this worthless vaccine because someone told us this new strain of flu is dangerous (even though there are new strains every year)"
but tbh, 260$ mil is nothing for a loss compared to the debt with everything else.


Sorry sir but the only thing thats a "fucking joke" is that no matter what the goverment does they wont win with people like you around, if they didn't make enough there would be this article with "250 million spare that could have been used on vaccacines .. how much is a life really worth??"

If i was american i would be quite proud my country were willing to spend so much money to insure my safety.


uh, just so it's clear - that money comes from tax payers. it's not like the companies that makes the drugs put up the money... it's everyone. and it's already been shown that it wasn't necessary. do you just skip over posts that might invalidate your opinions?

Most people are so stupid... just blindly accepting everything they are told. Do you think people out there don't take advantage of the public to make millions/billions of dollars? this question goes to all of you.
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
July 01 2010 21:55 GMT
#54
On July 02 2010 06:44 PaddyPower wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2010 03:24 CharlieMurphy wrote:
fucking joke country we live in. "hey lets make tons of this worthless vaccine because someone told us this new strain of flu is dangerous (even though there are new strains every year)"
but tbh, 260$ mil is nothing for a loss compared to the debt with everything else.


Sorry sir but the only thing thats a "fucking joke" is that no matter what the goverment does they wont win with people like you around, if they didn't make enough there would be this article with "250 million spare that could have been used on vaccacines .. how much is a life really worth??"

If i was american i would be quite proud my country were willing to spend so much money to insure my safety.




you got it wrong, since American Politicians and Pharmaceutical companies are in close ties, decisions like this usually make the American people pay, while the Politicians get more money from private business.
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eRoN_
Profile Joined May 2010
91 Posts
July 01 2010 21:57 GMT
#55
[B]On July 02 2010 03:24 CharlieMurphy wrote:
fucking joke country we live in. "hey lets scare the entire world into thinking they might die cos we have tons of this worthless vaccine so they buy it. If they don't we'll just change their laws so its mandatory lolz."
but tbh, 260$ mil is nothing for a loss compared to the debt with everything else.


Fixed.

It's been known well before the "outbreak" that they were sitting on a shit ton of vaccine that was about to expire, old news. Conspiracy (read: common sense) theorists were right again.

www.theflucase.com
Neo7
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States922 Posts
July 01 2010 22:01 GMT
#56
The media could have handled it a lot better than making it "breaking news". Yeah it's urgent news in the sense it's a "holy shit potential epidemic", but the way it was broadcasted made it seem like a mini national emergency that had people go into panic mode for even just a little bit. All that personal hygiene precautions should be common sense instead of being urgent breaking news being reported en masse to the public.
It takes an idiot to do cool things.
DROPPINBOMBS
Profile Joined April 2010
United States312 Posts
July 01 2010 22:01 GMT
#57
I love the fact that the biggest morons are incharge of some of the most important things on this planet.
Ideas are bullet-proof.
BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
July 01 2010 22:06 GMT
#58
Swine flu was fucking awesome.

Those little bottles of hand sanitizer started appearing everywhere in our school.

I'm not sure how true this rumor is, but anyone diagnosed with H1N1 got excused from having to attend classes for 2 weeks. Any assignment missed during that time could be made up in the 2 weeks after the semester ended.

We had posters all over the dorms and every fucking building on campus that were basically telling us "If you're sick, don't come to class! We don't mind!"
Compilers are like boyfriends, you miss a period and they go crazy on you.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
July 01 2010 22:09 GMT
#59
On July 02 2010 07:01 DROPPINBOMBS wrote:
I love the fact that the biggest morons are incharge of some of the most important things on this planet.


I think this is a misconception. Some of them are idiots, yeah. But I think a lot of them are perfectly intelligent and know exactly what they are doing.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
July 01 2010 22:11 GMT
#60
On July 02 2010 06:57 eRoN_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
[B]On July 02 2010 03:24 CharlieMurphy wrote:
fucking joke country we live in. "hey lets scare the entire world into thinking they might die cos we have tons of this worthless vaccine so they buy it. If they don't we'll just change their laws so its mandatory lolz."
but tbh, 260$ mil is nothing for a loss compared to the debt with everything else.


Fixed.

It's been known well before the "outbreak" that they were sitting on a shit ton of vaccine that was about to expire, old news. Conspiracy (read: common sense) theorists were right again.

www.theflucase.com

LOL. You kids read something somewhere and assume it's true. -_-
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
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