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On June 01 2010 00:45 hypercube wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 00:31 n.DieJokes wrote:
If I put to you the question, what is the differences between "Jews" and "Israel", how would you respond? And whether by intention or unfortunate diction, Gnaix is very clearly anti-semitic My point was that Kazius equates criticism towards Mosad to blaming Jews in general. This is obviously wrong but also funny, because when Gnaix had done it he suggested it was antisemitism (perhaps accurately, I don't know).
That comment about mossad might not have been anti-semetic, but if you spend any amount of time reading about the mossad+9/11 theories you'll sure see a lot of anti-semitism. That's probably where his reaction came from.
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On June 01 2010 00:40 Severedevil wrote:
If Israel didn't want violence to break out, they shouldn't have jumped a bunch of civilians in the middle of the night.
This will become epic if Turkey decides to blockade Israel.
But the #1 question is: how the flying fuck would 'protesters' attack Israeli soldiers with sticks and stones on a motherfucking boat?!
They have cement and construction materials on those aid ships. I'd assume they had rebar and steel piping at hand. Gravel for mixing the cement would also be there to mix with the cement. There's enough piping on any ship to equip a few hundred people with them.
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What a bunch of cockadookies.
Human nature ft.
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A ship in international waters is concidered a territory of a country - so Israel basically invaded Turkey and civilians tried to protect themselves. And I doubt that this ship flotilla would risk entering Israeli waters which would had turned the tables as Turkey invading Israel.
Question: Why didn't Israeli Special Forces waited till ships enter their waters where they have every right to search em?
Answer: They were not going to. Could have used other port than the one Israel wanted em. Or just wanted to provoke Israel and suceeded.
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On June 01 2010 00:45 hypercube wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 00:31 n.DieJokes wrote:
If I put to you the question, what is the differences between "Jews" and "Israel", how would you respond? And whether by intention or unfortunate diction, Gnaix is very clearly anti-semitic My point was that Kazius equates criticism towards Mosad to blaming Jews in general. This is obviously wrong but also funny, because when Gnaix had done it he suggested it was antisemitism (perhaps accurately, I don't know).
It's not that criticism towards Mosad is taken as an affront against all Jews, it the "theory" that Mosad orchestrated 9/11 is so unbelievably idiotic that the only possible reason to perpetuate it is spread ill-will towards Jews. Sort of like how some some believe the Jews control the worlds wealth
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On June 01 2010 00:48 Biochemist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 00:45 hypercube wrote:On June 01 2010 00:31 n.DieJokes wrote:
If I put to you the question, what is the differences between "Jews" and "Israel", how would you respond? And whether by intention or unfortunate diction, Gnaix is very clearly anti-semitic My point was that Kazius equates criticism towards Mosad to blaming Jews in general. This is obviously wrong but also funny, because when Gnaix had done it he suggested it was antisemitism (perhaps accurately, I don't know). That comment about mossad might not have been anti-semetic, but if you spend any amount of time reading about the mossad+9/11 theories you'll sure see a lot of anti-semitism. That's probably where his reaction came from.
Doesn't make it any better. If we accept that any unfair criticism of Israel is antisemitism that will discourage ALL criticism since you can rarely be 100% sure.
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On June 01 2010 00:43 Biochemist wrote:
Did you see the video of the first guys getting dropped on the boat getting swarmed by people with improvised weapons? Who's jumping who?
Why were they dropping on international water in the first place? Keep in mind, the civilians killed no one.
As a side note, the entire operation reeks of unprofessionalism.
Officer: "Listen up men, we got an angry mob of 200 men waiting at the next block. They appear to be unarmed but we're not sure."
Officer: "Johnson, you go."
Johnson: "Say what?"
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On June 01 2010 00:54 n.DieJokes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 00:45 hypercube wrote:On June 01 2010 00:31 n.DieJokes wrote:
If I put to you the question, what is the differences between "Jews" and "Israel", how would you respond? And whether by intention or unfortunate diction, Gnaix is very clearly anti-semitic My point was that Kazius equates criticism towards Mosad to blaming Jews in general. This is obviously wrong but also funny, because when Gnaix had done it he suggested it was antisemitism (perhaps accurately, I don't know). It's not that criticism towards Mosad is taken as an affront against all Jews, it the "theory" that Mosad orchestrated 9/11 is so unbelievably idiotic that the only possible reason to perpetuate it is spread ill-will towards Jews. Sort of like how some some believe the Jews control the worlds wealth
No it isn't.
edit: Also believing that Jews control most of the world's wealth isn't antisemitism either (even if most people who believe this are in fact anti semites.)
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On June 01 2010 01:03 hypercube wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 00:54 n.DieJokes wrote:On June 01 2010 00:45 hypercube wrote:On June 01 2010 00:31 n.DieJokes wrote:
If I put to you the question, what is the differences between "Jews" and "Israel", how would you respond? And whether by intention or unfortunate diction, Gnaix is very clearly anti-semitic My point was that Kazius equates criticism towards Mosad to blaming Jews in general. This is obviously wrong but also funny, because when Gnaix had done it he suggested it was antisemitism (perhaps accurately, I don't know). It's not that criticism towards Mosad is taken as an affront against all Jews, it the "theory" that Mosad orchestrated 9/11 is so unbelievably idiotic that the only possible reason to perpetuate it is spread ill-will towards Jews. Sort of like how some some believe the Jews control the worlds wealth No it isn't.
Give me another reason. I can't think of any
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On June 01 2010 01:00 Longshank wrote:
As a side note, the entire operation reeks of unprofessionalism.
Officer: "Listen up men, we got an angry mob of 200 men waiting at the next block. They appear to be unarmed but we're not sure."
Officer: "Johnson, you go."
Johnson: "Say what?"
Quality, my favourite post in the thread
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On June 01 2010 01:04 n.DieJokes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 01:03 hypercube wrote:On June 01 2010 00:54 n.DieJokes wrote:On June 01 2010 00:45 hypercube wrote:On June 01 2010 00:31 n.DieJokes wrote:
If I put to you the question, what is the differences between "Jews" and "Israel", how would you respond? And whether by intention or unfortunate diction, Gnaix is very clearly anti-semitic My point was that Kazius equates criticism towards Mosad to blaming Jews in general. This is obviously wrong but also funny, because when Gnaix had done it he suggested it was antisemitism (perhaps accurately, I don't know). It's not that criticism towards Mosad is taken as an affront against all Jews, it the "theory" that Mosad orchestrated 9/11 is so unbelievably idiotic that the only possible reason to perpetuate it is spread ill-will towards Jews. Sort of like how some some believe the Jews control the worlds wealth No it isn't. Give me another reason. I can't think of any
They don't like and trust Mosad in particular. Same way as some people think the CIA tries to control America or there are secret government plans to build concentration camps in the US.
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On June 01 2010 01:00 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 00:43 Biochemist wrote:
Did you see the video of the first guys getting dropped on the boat getting swarmed by people with improvised weapons? Who's jumping who? Why were they dropping on international water in the first place? Keep in mind, the civilians killed no one. As a side note, the entire operation reeks of unprofessionalism. Officer: "Listen up men, we got an angry mob of 200 men waiting at the next block. They appear to be unarmed but we're not sure." Officer: "Johnson, you go." Johnson: "Say what?"
Would you agree that the whole point of the flotilla was to be an anti-Israeli PR stunt? If they really just wanted to give aid, why not dock at an appropriate port and allow themselves to be searched? There are many legitimate ways to bring aid into Gaza, but they chose a route that isn't one of them.
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On June 01 2010 01:04 n.DieJokes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 01:03 hypercube wrote:On June 01 2010 00:54 n.DieJokes wrote:On June 01 2010 00:45 hypercube wrote:On June 01 2010 00:31 n.DieJokes wrote:
If I put to you the question, what is the differences between "Jews" and "Israel", how would you respond? And whether by intention or unfortunate diction, Gnaix is very clearly anti-semitic My point was that Kazius equates criticism towards Mosad to blaming Jews in general. This is obviously wrong but also funny, because when Gnaix had done it he suggested it was antisemitism (perhaps accurately, I don't know). It's not that criticism towards Mosad is taken as an affront against all Jews, it the "theory" that Mosad orchestrated 9/11 is so unbelievably idiotic that the only possible reason to perpetuate it is spread ill-will towards Jews. Sort of like how some some believe the Jews control the worlds wealth No it isn't. Give me another reason. I can't think of any
Ummm you know that the conspiracy theorists on the UFO shit isn't trying to spread ill will per se, right? It's just a combination of distrust, ignorance, paranoia, and a lack of understanding about how large organizations work.
It's possible he has the mindset of we can't trust the Jews, but he could also just distrust Mossad or Israel. Such distrust would be perfectly understandable and rational, if he didn't then ignorantly speculate about what those organizations are doing with no evidence.
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On June 01 2010 01:07 hypercube wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 01:04 n.DieJokes wrote:On June 01 2010 01:03 hypercube wrote:On June 01 2010 00:54 n.DieJokes wrote:On June 01 2010 00:45 hypercube wrote:On June 01 2010 00:31 n.DieJokes wrote:
If I put to you the question, what is the differences between "Jews" and "Israel", how would you respond? And whether by intention or unfortunate diction, Gnaix is very clearly anti-semitic My point was that Kazius equates criticism towards Mosad to blaming Jews in general. This is obviously wrong but also funny, because when Gnaix had done it he suggested it was antisemitism (perhaps accurately, I don't know). It's not that criticism towards Mosad is taken as an affront against all Jews, it the "theory" that Mosad orchestrated 9/11 is so unbelievably idiotic that the only possible reason to perpetuate it is spread ill-will towards Jews. Sort of like how some some believe the Jews control the worlds wealth No it isn't. Give me another reason. I can't think of any They don't like and trust Mosad in particular. Same way as some people think the CIA tries to control America or there are secret government plans to build concentration camps in the US.
Sorry, opposition to the CIA/belief in CIA conspiracy theories is a form of hatred for white people.
On June 01 2010 01:08 Biochemist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 01:00 Longshank wrote:On June 01 2010 00:43 Biochemist wrote:
Did you see the video of the first guys getting dropped on the boat getting swarmed by people with improvised weapons? Who's jumping who? Why were they dropping on international water in the first place? Keep in mind, the civilians killed no one. As a side note, the entire operation reeks of unprofessionalism. Officer: "Listen up men, we got an angry mob of 200 men waiting at the next block. They appear to be unarmed but we're not sure." Officer: "Johnson, you go." Johnson: "Say what?" Would you agree that the whole point of the flotilla was to be an anti-Israeli PR stunt? If they really just wanted to give aid, why not dock at an appropriate port and allow themselves to be searched? There are many legitimate ways to bring aid into Gaza, but they chose a route that isn't one of them.
Why would Israel get to decide which ways to deliver humanitarian aid are legitimate?
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On June 01 2010 01:09 Severedevil wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 01:07 hypercube wrote:On June 01 2010 01:04 n.DieJokes wrote:On June 01 2010 01:03 hypercube wrote:On June 01 2010 00:54 n.DieJokes wrote:On June 01 2010 00:45 hypercube wrote:On June 01 2010 00:31 n.DieJokes wrote:
If I put to you the question, what is the differences between "Jews" and "Israel", how would you respond? And whether by intention or unfortunate diction, Gnaix is very clearly anti-semitic My point was that Kazius equates criticism towards Mosad to blaming Jews in general. This is obviously wrong but also funny, because when Gnaix had done it he suggested it was antisemitism (perhaps accurately, I don't know). It's not that criticism towards Mosad is taken as an affront against all Jews, it the "theory" that Mosad orchestrated 9/11 is so unbelievably idiotic that the only possible reason to perpetuate it is spread ill-will towards Jews. Sort of like how some some believe the Jews control the worlds wealth No it isn't. Give me another reason. I can't think of any They don't like and trust Mosad in particular. Same way as some people think the CIA tries to control America or there are secret government plans to build concentration camps in the US. Sorry, opposition to the CIA/belief in CIA conspiracy theories is a form of hatred for white people. Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 01:08 Biochemist wrote:On June 01 2010 01:00 Longshank wrote:On June 01 2010 00:43 Biochemist wrote:
Did you see the video of the first guys getting dropped on the boat getting swarmed by people with improvised weapons? Who's jumping who? Why were they dropping on international water in the first place? Keep in mind, the civilians killed no one. As a side note, the entire operation reeks of unprofessionalism. Officer: "Listen up men, we got an angry mob of 200 men waiting at the next block. They appear to be unarmed but we're not sure." Officer: "Johnson, you go." Johnson: "Say what?" Would you agree that the whole point of the flotilla was to be an anti-Israeli PR stunt? If they really just wanted to give aid, why not dock at an appropriate port and allow themselves to be searched? There are many legitimate ways to bring aid into Gaza, but they chose a route that isn't one of them. Why would Israel get to decide which ways to deliver humanitarian aid are legitimate?
Because shipments of aid in the past have been used to smuggle weapons into Gaza, which were then used to kill Israelis?
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On June 01 2010 01:09 Slow Motion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 01:04 n.DieJokes wrote:On June 01 2010 01:03 hypercube wrote:On June 01 2010 00:54 n.DieJokes wrote:On June 01 2010 00:45 hypercube wrote:On June 01 2010 00:31 n.DieJokes wrote:
If I put to you the question, what is the differences between "Jews" and "Israel", how would you respond? And whether by intention or unfortunate diction, Gnaix is very clearly anti-semitic My point was that Kazius equates criticism towards Mosad to blaming Jews in general. This is obviously wrong but also funny, because when Gnaix had done it he suggested it was antisemitism (perhaps accurately, I don't know). It's not that criticism towards Mosad is taken as an affront against all Jews, it the "theory" that Mosad orchestrated 9/11 is so unbelievably idiotic that the only possible reason to perpetuate it is spread ill-will towards Jews. Sort of like how some some believe the Jews control the worlds wealth No it isn't. Give me another reason. I can't think of any Ummm you know that the conspiracy theorists on the UFO shit isn't trying to spread ill will per se, right? It's just a combination of distrust, ignorance, paranoia, and a lack of understanding about how large organizations work. It's possible he has the mindset of we can't trust the Jews, but he could also just distrust Mossad or Israel. Such distrust would be perfectly understandable and rational, if he didn't then ignorantly speculate about what those organizations are doing with no evidence.
Okay, my bad
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Those video suck. The quality is so poor it cannot be seen clearly what happened. The video says that they were firebombs and etc thrown but it's not evidence of it.
I thought the israeli commandos are better trained, this shows not. I mean, this is a fail operation, landing a guy at a time within 20 civilians. And come on, if the civilians wanted to kill the soldiers they could have easily done so, they aren't made out of iron. And no soldier has been killed afaik.
Either that or did they try to get some of their soldiers killed then pull a huge PR over it and the activists would have got ugly from this.
But no matter this. Why complicate when it's much easier to show why Israeli is at blame in the first place during the operation. Do you know what foreign armed people that board and try to take control of ships (especially at night) are called? PIRATES. This happened in international waters where israeli army could have absolutely no jurisdiction. What they did is clearly illegal and i couldn't see the civilians at blame even if soldiers were killed since in this situation all they did was defend themselves from pirates. However those pirates were israeli and killed people aboard of a foreign ship.
Do you know why the israeli acted so fast and decided to aboard the ship at night before they could have came in israeli waters? Because the ship would have came at day in israeli waters which means there are too much people who could have filmed what the israeli did. This way there was no chance of a good recording of what the israeli troops did aboard of the ship.
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On June 01 2010 01:13 Biochemist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 01:09 Severedevil wrote:On June 01 2010 01:07 hypercube wrote:On June 01 2010 01:04 n.DieJokes wrote:On June 01 2010 01:03 hypercube wrote:On June 01 2010 00:54 n.DieJokes wrote:On June 01 2010 00:45 hypercube wrote:On June 01 2010 00:31 n.DieJokes wrote:
If I put to you the question, what is the differences between "Jews" and "Israel", how would you respond? And whether by intention or unfortunate diction, Gnaix is very clearly anti-semitic My point was that Kazius equates criticism towards Mosad to blaming Jews in general. This is obviously wrong but also funny, because when Gnaix had done it he suggested it was antisemitism (perhaps accurately, I don't know). It's not that criticism towards Mosad is taken as an affront against all Jews, it the "theory" that Mosad orchestrated 9/11 is so unbelievably idiotic that the only possible reason to perpetuate it is spread ill-will towards Jews. Sort of like how some some believe the Jews control the worlds wealth No it isn't. Give me another reason. I can't think of any They don't like and trust Mosad in particular. Same way as some people think the CIA tries to control America or there are secret government plans to build concentration camps in the US. Sorry, opposition to the CIA/belief in CIA conspiracy theories is a form of hatred for white people. On June 01 2010 01:08 Biochemist wrote:On June 01 2010 01:00 Longshank wrote:On June 01 2010 00:43 Biochemist wrote:
Did you see the video of the first guys getting dropped on the boat getting swarmed by people with improvised weapons? Who's jumping who? Why were they dropping on international water in the first place? Keep in mind, the civilians killed no one. As a side note, the entire operation reeks of unprofessionalism. Officer: "Listen up men, we got an angry mob of 200 men waiting at the next block. They appear to be unarmed but we're not sure." Officer: "Johnson, you go." Johnson: "Say what?" Would you agree that the whole point of the flotilla was to be an anti-Israeli PR stunt? If they really just wanted to give aid, why not dock at an appropriate port and allow themselves to be searched? There are many legitimate ways to bring aid into Gaza, but they chose a route that isn't one of them. Why would Israel get to decide which ways to deliver humanitarian aid are legitimate? Because shipments of aid in the past have been used to smuggle weapons into Gaza, which were then used to kill Israelis?
So what? How does that legitimate the israeli break the law and international treaties and attack aid ships?
Who says that aid must be surrendered to israel? Israel said so and they pulled out a whole blockade for it? Good but they have no international support. ONU pronounced against it, international laws are against it, and basically it's Israel alone that is doing this. So why would Israel be allowed to decide who and how gives aid to the palestinian people?
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On June 01 2010 01:08 Biochemist wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 01 2010 01:00 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2010 00:43 Biochemist wrote:
Did you see the video of the first guys getting dropped on the boat getting swarmed by people with improvised weapons? Who's jumping who? Why were they dropping on international water in the first place? Keep in mind, the civilians killed no one. As a side note, the entire operation reeks of unprofessionalism. Officer: "Listen up men, we got an angry mob of 200 men waiting at the next block. They appear to be unarmed but we're not sure." Officer: "Johnson, you go." Johnson: "Say what?" Would you agree that the whole point of the flotilla was to be an anti-Israeli PR stunt? If they really just wanted to give aid, why not dock at an appropriate port and allow themselves to be searched? There are many legitimate ways to bring aid into Gaza, but they chose a route that isn't one of them.
No, it was an anti-illegal-blockade-of-Gaza "stunt". There's quite a difference. And what means are there to bring aid to Gaza if you don't want Israel to decide what should get through and what should not? The blockade isn't just stopping guns and ammo you know.
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Israel made it clear they wouldn't tollerate aide to their enemies and warned them. It's like a kid being told not to touch a hot stove... you know eventually they will do it just to see why they can't and once they do they quickly learn why they shouldn't have. The only difference is that when israel makes a threat they tend to back it up unlike most countries.
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