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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
April 21 2010 21:09 GMT
#161
On April 22 2010 05:42 bmml wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2010 05:08 Klive5ive wrote:
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On April 22 2010 03:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Double post but no reaction David Cameron hit with an egg?

Wow some idiot throws an egg, not really a story.

On April 22 2010 04:58 bmml wrote:
He shouldn't even bother coming to the lib dem heartland and attempting to gain votes, it just isnt worth it. Also kinda annoyed by the fact the conservatives are pushing themselves as the only party for real change so much even though the lib dems have a far more "change filled" manifesto, though that is politics!

I agree all this talk of change is very annoying but the Liberals are no exception.
They all play the PR game just at the moment Clegg is playing it the best.

I hope you're not fooled by the facebook groups and all the other nonsense.


Tax reform, parliamentary reform and hell they have one of Britains best economists as prospective chancellor, whats not to like!

Plus "fooled" is a bit of an overstatement the facebook groups debates etc are all the natural progression of British politics (which has been stuck in a time warp since 1997) allbeit smoke and mirrors.

Tax reform that won't happen..
Parliamentary reform that favours their party (we've also already discussed the advantages/disadvantages of our current system).
Vince Cable is great yes, but that's not really change it's just competency.

It's the same spin just spun another way. Clegg wasn't honest in the TV debate he just kept repeating practiced phrases "old politics", "lets do something new".
I thought it was funny when he agreed with Cameron and said "I agree with.... (pause)....that". He'd obviously practiced not to say "I agree with Cameron".
Then he took the holier-than-thou route on parliamentary funding, when the Liberals are no better. Also of the three Clegg has by far the worst expenses and only 5 years ago he was a lobbyist for the European parliament.

But the real reason change is an empty promise is that he still can't get elected. If he wants to be honest he should start talking about hung parliaments and admitting when he agrees on something the other parties say. If we get a Lib/Lab or Lib/Con Government we need Clegg to make sensible choices and to backup the PM; not continue to try to distance himself.

On April 22 2010 05:24 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
As I pointed out earlier, there is a level of deficit hysteria in Britain at present which is distracting from far more important issues such as productive activity in the economy and employment generation. Maintaining aggregate demand and stimulating productive activity will bring the deficit down naturally by well-understood economic mechanisms which have functioned time and again in the past.

You're not pointing out anything. There's nothing to point at it's just your opinion.
I understand it's unwise to cut too heavily until the economy picks up but even that article you linked says "most advanced economies should embark on significant fiscal consolidation in 2011".
If I'm focusing too much on cuts and taxes you seem to be ignoring them completely. You can't cut our deficit any other way. "Maintaining aggregate demand and stimulating productive activity" is very important but it won't reduce a deficit by itself.
You didn't help to answer the initial question either. £6 billion is a rounding error, I don't think the IMF would say cutting that would damage the economy whilst a NI increase is a very unwise taxation at this time.

Don't mistake me, I understand that it's important we create an economy that provides services for the future. The problem is I believe the best way to do that is low taxation and small government. We are a long way from being able to create that position right now.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-21 21:34:30
April 21 2010 21:33 GMT
#162
On April 22 2010 05:48 bmml wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On April 22 2010 05:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It will be interesting to see how Clegg does in the next debate(s)?
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The origins of Cleggmania can be traced to last week's televised debate -- a first in Great Britain -- in which Clegg was widely considered to have stolen the show from the leaders of Britain's two largest political parties: current Prime Minister Gordon Brown of the Labour Party, and Conservative Party leader David Cameron. The headline the next day in the London Times read "Clegg comes of age." A poll taken after the debate led the Guardian to declare that "Clegg is now in contention as potential PM."

To top it off, the latest YouGov poll shows the Liberal Democrats to now be in the lead with 34 percent of the vote. The Conservative Party came in second with 31 percent. A week ago the Liberal Dems were hovering around 16 percent. Andrew Sullivan of the Daily Dish referred to the poll result as "the earthquake in Britain." John Curtice of the Independent has called the Liberal Dems' surge "the biggest shock to the electoral landscape in years."


Source


The next debate is on SkyNews (a channel relatively unwatched by the masses and only avaliable on digital tv) and will (I believe) probably only manage about 5 million views, half the previous. It is also focused on economics which I would say is the Lib Dems strong points if Clegg can just repeat the things talked about by Vince Cable in the chancellors debate a few weeks ago (which Cable was said to have "won" I'd imagine he'd "win" again, though Cameron/Brown will probably be far more critical of the Clegg in the next debate since they have seen the power hes supposedly gained from playing the "man on the outside" in the last one.

ughhh sorry for double post
.


Scrap that it seems as though tommorows debate is on foreign policy. It'd be hard to see Brown coming out poorly in this one simply due to his experience.
noddyz
Profile Joined October 2008
United Kingdom462 Posts
April 21 2010 21:57 GMT
#163
Isn't popular opinion against staying in Afganistan now? Hard to see the Tories capitilizing on war weariness but the lib dems might.
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sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
April 21 2010 22:11 GMT
#164
I want to throw out another general question for any Brits to help me on. Can anyone give me some concrete facts about how being in the EU is good for our country? I hear a lot of invective from UKIP and anti-EU ppl but usually most knowledgeable people just shrug off the comments; it doesn't help people like me who really are clueless on the issue.
Arbiter[frolix]
Profile Joined January 2004
United Kingdom2674 Posts
April 22 2010 07:11 GMT
#165
If I'm focusing too much on cuts and taxes you seem to be ignoring them completely. You can't cut our deficit any other way. "Maintaining aggregate demand and stimulating productive activity" is very important but it won't reduce a deficit by itself.


Actually it can. The economic mechanisms behind this are well understood and not particularly controversial even among mainstream economists, although they have been obscured in the current hysteria. Demand and productive activity are what generate economic growth, which by itself puts downward pressure on government deficits as tax revenue increases and welfare payments decrease. As I said, none of this is by itself controversial and an attention to the historical record confirms it pretty much beyond any doubt.

The fact remains that your claim that "the sooner you do it the better" is not self-evidently true. And indeed attempting to make serious reductions in the deficit right now would be most unwise.

We are vigilant.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42694 Posts
April 22 2010 07:20 GMT
#166
On April 22 2010 07:11 sc4k wrote:
I want to throw out another general question for any Brits to help me on. Can anyone give me some concrete facts about how being in the EU is good for our country? I hear a lot of invective from UKIP and anti-EU ppl but usually most knowledgeable people just shrug off the comments; it doesn't help people like me who really are clueless on the issue.

EU has protectionist tariffs that make trading with EU nations hard for outsiders. We're geographically forced to trade with the EU. Therefore it is hugely economically beneficial to be within it.
All the arguments about the continental level being practical for energy, trade, environmental, fishing management are also good but the main one is economic. Britain has always benefitted economically from being within the European single market.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42694 Posts
April 22 2010 07:25 GMT
#167
On April 22 2010 06:33 bmml wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2010 05:48 bmml wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On April 22 2010 05:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It will be interesting to see how Clegg does in the next debate(s)?
+ Show Spoiler +

The origins of Cleggmania can be traced to last week's televised debate -- a first in Great Britain -- in which Clegg was widely considered to have stolen the show from the leaders of Britain's two largest political parties: current Prime Minister Gordon Brown of the Labour Party, and Conservative Party leader David Cameron. The headline the next day in the London Times read "Clegg comes of age." A poll taken after the debate led the Guardian to declare that "Clegg is now in contention as potential PM."

To top it off, the latest YouGov poll shows the Liberal Democrats to now be in the lead with 34 percent of the vote. The Conservative Party came in second with 31 percent. A week ago the Liberal Dems were hovering around 16 percent. Andrew Sullivan of the Daily Dish referred to the poll result as "the earthquake in Britain." John Curtice of the Independent has called the Liberal Dems' surge "the biggest shock to the electoral landscape in years."


Source


The next debate is on SkyNews (a channel relatively unwatched by the masses and only avaliable on digital tv) and will (I believe) probably only manage about 5 million views, half the previous. It is also focused on economics which I would say is the Lib Dems strong points if Clegg can just repeat the things talked about by Vince Cable in the chancellors debate a few weeks ago (which Cable was said to have "won" I'd imagine he'd "win" again, though Cameron/Brown will probably be far more critical of the Clegg in the next debate since they have seen the power hes supposedly gained from playing the "man on the outside" in the last one.

ughhh sorry for double post
.


Scrap that it seems as though tommorows debate is on foreign policy. It'd be hard to see Brown coming out poorly in this one simply due to his experience.

His claims about meeting every army demand for funds simply aren't true (but how could they be when the army is a black hole that'll spend whatever you give it). I expect Cameron to lay into him about requests which were refused while he was Chancellor, for while his record has been somewhat better in the last few years he cannot escape the fact that he has controlled the budget for 13 years. As the incumbent he cannot strike back at their records and his own is vulnerable.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
PobTheCad
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Australia893 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-22 07:32:03
April 22 2010 07:30 GMT
#168
Browns economic credentials are zilch.
He sold around 400 tons of gold in 1999 (As treasurer) at the bottom of the market , gold is now worth around 4 times what it was back then.I know he's keynesian but that is beyond a joke.

Conservatives housing advisor is Kirstie Allsopp who runs property porn television programs - the housing bubble is what caused the global financial crisis (and has cost the UK at least 1 trillion pounds in bailouts thus far).

Clegg i don't know much about but he seems the same as the other two major parties.

The only wise choice would be to vote UKIP or BNP just to annoy the major parties but i predict the smallest % turnout on record for this one.Apathy is on the rise.
Once again back is the incredible!
Arbiter[frolix]
Profile Joined January 2004
United Kingdom2674 Posts
April 22 2010 07:35 GMT
#169
The only wise choice would be to vote UKIP or BNP just to annoy the major parties


While the BNP attracts the disaffected and feeble-minded to its periphery, at its core it is made up of little more than a disturbing group of racist thugs. It is hard for me to imagine a circumstance in which voting BNP would be a "wise choice".
We are vigilant.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42694 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-22 07:58:44
April 22 2010 07:44 GMT
#170
On April 22 2010 16:30 PobTheCad wrote:
The only wise choice would be to vote UKIP or BNP just to annoy the major parties

It's just a pity we can't vote for Hitler...
If only there were some way of wasting a vote that couldn't accidentally elect right wing xenophobes. Some way of spoiling a ballot. Or some kind of joke party that doesn't hate blacks. If only that existed. On a slightly related note, here is the 2010 manifesto of the Monster Raving Loony Party.
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1.

Cool on the outside:
To combat global warming and climate change all buildings should be fitted with air conditioning units on the outside.
2.

Wheelie Bins:
The idea of weight monitoring chips in wheelie bins should be scrapped, instead the wheels should be removed, this would mean that if people generated too much waist they could not put their non-wheelie bin out for collection. It would also help prevent them being chucked into canals.
3.

Needles
Due to the increasing number of children afraid of needles, I propose the destruction of the tedious, scary and often painful process of school vaccinations.
Instead, I propose that highly trained nurses should be given free reign on the playground with specially modified tranquillizer rifles which apply vaccinations as well as a tranquillizer. This would have two main benefits: It would be less scary for the children as they will not know what hit them, also it will be more fun for the nurses

4.

Hypocrites
It is proposed that all politicians be made to swear a "hippocratic oath", preventing them by law from being Hypocrites. All politicians should be made to stand by their policies, or or at least admit that they were wrong.

5.


GCSE Lottery
It is proposed that, before the beginning of exams, the exam board will select a certain obscure phrase which will be kept secret. If any pupil inadvertently writes this phrase in any exam,he/she will automaticaly receive straight A* grades, and a free teddy.
6. One Sided Policy

It is proposed that The European Union end its discrimination by creating a "Court of Human Lefts" because their present policy is one_sided.
7.

Prison Food
The problems of prison overcrowding and increased crime will be solved easily by issuing a compulsory contract on McDonalds to do all prison catering. Convervative estimates suggest a 50% reduction in crime rates within 2 years with 0% re-offender figures.
8.

Political Colours
All politicians should paint them self's permantly head to toe in the colour of the party they represent - e.g. all Labour candidates in Red , all Conservatives in Blue ,etc,etc
9.

One hours silence.
At 12 0' clock pm every day we will have a one hour silence dedicated to our time that has been lost due to work, home and labour
10.

Good Heroes
Make it illegal for super heroes to use their powers for evil.
11. Safe Tractors
Ban tractors from driving on roads, they can drive across their fields.
12.
13. Scary Terrorists
Ban all terrorists from having beards as they look scary.
14.
15.

Poop Scoop
Anyone allowing their Hyena to poop on the pavement should shovel it away immediately, As this is no laughing matter
16. Put a Sock in it
All socks to be sold in packs of 3 as a precaution against losing one.



(checkout this website to find the inventor of this product www.THROX.com ... )
17. A Hanging Offence
It is proposed to systematicly destroy all wire coat hangers.
Shirts slip off them. People hang them on doorhandles. They bend when you hang jeans on them. The flick off rails. They join together in pairs. The gaggle in dodgy, tinny, wiry orgies, tingling nastily. They have a static sneer. Have you ever actually seen anybody buy them? Who even sells them? Do they just appear in your wardrobes? They seem to have a near endless domestic omnipresence.
Not only a waste of wire, but a waste of time. How often have you had to rehang things on them? Or perhaps Reiron shirts after being bent ruthlessly shapelss thereon? Then they spin of the rail and onto the floor. You kick them and then get wrapped around your foot, or sibling. And then if you can find a bin that will fit such a stupidly angular object, the sadistic little sharp corner on the hook rips the bag and there it is again, escaped. What a malicious little sod.
Let's face it; The only use for metal coat hangers is to unravel them and make them into something else.
Therefore, it is proposed that all wire coathangers should be systematically hung, drawn and unravelled, under the 1936 Public Order Act.
18.

Eurofit
The European Constitution which will be sorted out by going for a long Walk. "As everyone knows that walking is good for the constitution"
19.

Sweet Shares
Sell shares in Northen rock, buy shares in Blackpool rock!
20.

Terror Passport
Separate Passports for Terrorists: Terrorists should be required (by virtue of law) to apply for separate passports in which they give there full contact details, number of explosives, and time (as well as location) of any plot. This would save time and money in gathering intelligence, and could also help identify the intended ambition(s) behind any atrocity(s).
21.

Obeescity in Kids
If you want your kids to be less fat...feed em less (do we need to make a policy of this?....its common sense)
22.

Making Taxes Irrelevant
Abolishing the ‘inheritance tax’ is all well and good, but what will the funds be replaced with?
It is proposed to create an ‘irrelevance tax’, where people of limited seriousness make up the tax shortfall.
What better way to obtain public support than to abolish inheritance tax AND pay the public’s taxation at the same time!
23.

Allotted Proposal
A proposal by DBopenlock. Make Weeding an olympic sport in order to save the 100 year old Manor Garden Allotments from being demolished for the 2012 games.
24.

Isle of?
It is proposed that the Isle of Man be renamed to "The Isle of Men, Women, Children and some Animals" as not just men live there
25.

NHS Dentistry.
All newly trained Dentists will be require to have three teeth removed, 2 fillings and root canal work done without anesthetic. Then they will know the agony they inflict on the rest of us.
26.

Interesting News:
Every day the news should tell people an interesting fact in a hope to increase people's knowledge.
27.

A Warm solution:
It is proposed that all pavements are heated so it is possible to walk bare foot in the winter, this would also serve another purpose by making the pavements warm no ice would form on them thereby reducing the risk of injury for everyone.
28.

A Lions share:
It is proposed that we change the English symbol of three lions to 3 badgers. How often do you see lions running round the countryside, we should be proud of the lack of wild and interesting species on our fair isle.
29.

Olimpic event:
'Following the Leader' is a pastime that has been cast aside by society today and we think it should become an extreme event in the Olimpicks. (We are keeping this one hidden from Tony Blair as he may make it law)
30.

Political correctness
The Isle of Wight should be changed to: "The Isle of Mixed Races, and Cultures Located off the Coast of Britain."
31.

Animal fashions
It is proposed that ets, especially cats and dogs, may not be dressed in miniature human clothing for the purpose of human amusement, unless the animal in question can equip the clothing himself/herself. Punishable by dressing the owner of the animal in miniature human clothing.
32.

Edukayshun
GCSE English exams be given a more straight-forward layout, with lots of
short questions like the Maths papers have.
33.

Education (Skool acktiviteas)
Homework should be banned as it is bad enough for kids having to go to school let
alone bring it home with them
34.

Bright Skoolkids
Bright pupils will be provided with dimmer switches to prevent them distracting the rest of the class.
35.

Skool Dinners r hot?
School dinners must be regularly checked for radioactivity.
36.

P.E.lessons
We should teach proper sports in P.E. e.g. Fishing, Fencing,
and how to let the head teacher's car tyres down without getting caught.
37.

Education
As well as using computers in schools, children should be taught to reed, rite, and appreciate rock.
38.

Keep Edukayshun Fit
In order to keep our teachers fit, 3 periods a week of PE will be allocated for teachers/headmasters and any ancillary staff who happen to be in the area (i.e dinner ladies etc,) (and pupils get to watch. Skipping for men and football for ladies)
39.

Bench mark for schools
To combat discomfort and possible medical litigation, Cushions will be provided for all school chairs.
40.

Skools Out
School will be dismissed if three or more pigeons make it into the central corridor.
41.

SKool Dinners
Pizza Hut and KFC to provide school meals.
42.

Teaching Skool Dress Code
All teachers should come to school dressed as pink teddy bears then they will
not be so intimidating.
43.

Too much Talking
Languages should be banned in schools as most kids (and adults) have trouble with English.
44.

No fly Zone
It is proposed to declare the Channel Tunnel a No Fly Zone.
45.

Telling Fibbs
It is proposed that Political leaders are banned if they avoid a straight answer "Yes" or "No". As they may still be telling fibbs, any such person found to string out an answer longer than2.8 seconds should be forced to undertake a lie detector test.
46.

Elecshun Lottery
It is proposed that people should have a free go on the national lottery when they go and vote.
47.

Bugged Singers
All singers who's names sound like infectious diseases( i.e: Chriestina Aguilera, Natalie Imbruglia) will be provided with free antibiotics courtesy of the NHS, just in case it spreads. You can never be safe enough!
48.

Paper (Health & Safety)
Paper cuts (being extremely painful) should be banned. Paper manufacturers will be required to surround all paper with a foam frame. This will ensure that it will not be harmful to children under the age of 80.
49.

Say "No" to Cruelty
It is proposed to abolish all kinds of animal cruely including flie swatters, hunting, chasing kangaroos off cliffs etc, also eating of plants as it causes undue stress to the plant and all weed killers shold be considered as a weapon of mass destruction, pain should also be made illegal.
50.

Poetic License
Poets will have to sign up for a 'poetic license' this way shoddy poetry will be eliminated. Also in the test for the license wannabe poets will need to write funny limericks. They will be asked to produce at least one a week, or they are stripped of their license.
51.

Fun Shopping
To boost the country's economy - it is proposed that British citizens visit shopping centres wearing a squeeky red clown nose and green wig. This would make shopping mush more fun.
52.

Stop Me and Fry One
Combine the love of Fishing with the great british love of queuing by putting bus stops near canals and lakes. This will also provide convenient homeward transport for britain's proud anglers and will save space.
53.

Nice Curves
A government agency will be set up to paint contour lines on to hills and colour roads the same as on maps. This will help people know where they are.
54.

Elections Make You Cross.
Why do we put a "cross" on the ballot paper.
A cross normally means "thats wrong".
We propose that a "tick" would be more suitable.
Putting across next to someones name on the ballot paper is as good as writing
"monumental cock up" next to their name.
55.

Iraq.
Polcy on Iraq: Since Iraq needs to have a proper infrastructure before they can run their own country, I propose we send our traffic wardens out to Iraq to give tickets to American Jeeps and Tanks illegally parked thereby raising much needed revenue for the Iraq government (and giving us a much needed break!)
56.

Prescott Day
Since we have Guy Fawkes day because Fawkes ATTEMPTED to destroy Parliament (Penny for the Guy, mate!) and we burn effigies of Fawkes, should we not have a John Prescott day for SUCCEEDING in destroying Parliament, well credibility at least (Penny for the John, mate!) and we could throw John on the bonfire.
57.

National Defense.
To keep our nation on it's toes, we should have a minimum of 2 nuclear war drills a day.
58.

Jumping the Que
We propose dedicated pogo stick lanes on routes to centres of work.
59.

Parking Wardens Sarcasm.
All traffic wardens should be banned from using the phrase "Hello wing
commander having trouble taking off"
60.

Lucky Month.
We propose to create 13th month, to get all those little things out of the way. The things you just never had time to do... like take out the trash, vote in a general election, learn Latin...
Another benefit would be that all monthly paid earners would receive an extra months pay.
61.

Nessie
The Loch Ness Monster should be added to the endangered species list.
62.

Good Knight
Ozzy Osborne must receive a knighthood.
63.

Home of your Own
All new homes should be built with a swimming pool and bouncy castle as standard.
To lower the house prices and help young people I propose we erase the last ‘0’ from the price.
64.

Seating Arrangements
All armchairs and sofas should be redesigned so as not to include a gap where small articles (such as loose change, keys, remote controls and kitchen sinks) can fall down.
65.

Disipline in Parliament
Government Whips will only be used if a politician has been really bad. Minor offences should receive the political slipper.
66.

Footnote
Asterisks will be banned*
67.

Asylum's a Joke
All asylum seekers would be allowed to stay as long as they can tell a
good joke
68.

Defense
All soldiers serving abroad would be issued with a long ranged laser guided water pistols
69.

Obecity...obeesIT....fat kids
To tackle the growing problem of obesity in children, It is proposed that all stair lifts in old folks homes be removed and replaced with hand operated pulley systems. These pulley systems will be operated by the obese children on a rotational period so as not to cut into their schooling. The effort required to lift these OAP's will be adequate exercise for our plump offspring.
70.

Foreign policy:
Whenever Great Britain is to play host to a foreign nation in an international sporting event, the British teams should ensure that the visiting team wins. This is correct and proper - it is only polite to allow our guest to win a few games. The beneficial effects of such a policy should not be underestimated, indeed the recent war in Iraq could well have been averted if the forces of Saddam Hussein had been allowed to win a one day international cricket match or a nice game of rugger.
71.

Saintly State
The creation of a "State-Saint-System" where-by people can vote for ANYONE who they wish to be blessed in as a saint - EXAMPLE. St Dodd of Tickle-stick, St Roy of the Rovers.
72.

N.H.S
Chocolate be available as a prescription drug
73.

Pay for Free CD's
Free CDs with magazines and newspapers be made genuinely free, and available to take away from shops, supermarkets and filling stations etc, and the purchase of the related newspaper and magazine selling the free CD, along with the CD itself be made an optional extra?
Those that choose not to buy the newspaper can then nominate a fish and chip shop to send the newspaper to, thereby supporting the environmentally friendly practice of paper recycling?
CDs aren't really free if you have to pay to get them!
74.

Paperwaits
Weekend newspapers. They're rather heavy aren't they, especially broadsheets? A lot of supplements you'll never bother to read. A waste isn't it?
How about paying a price for the 'Basic Broadsheet Package', that of the main newspaper on its own, and then a small top-up charge for those newspaper supplements that you will actually read, and leave the other supplements on the shelf to remain available to those interested in them?
75.

N.H.S
Maltesers should be on prescription.
76.

Traffic
As you may be aware, there have been recent measures to reduce congestion in London with proposals for other major cities to follow suit. It is proposed that all car owners in the affected areas (London and soon Birmingham, Manchester, etc,) be forced to replace their cars with hovercrafts for the following reasons:
1. Hovercrafts can go on all terrain, meaning they can spread out, take short cuts and go on water etc.
2. As they are inflatable, being hit by one will be less painful.
3. They could use the canal system, thus creating extra jobs and revitalizing a sadly neglected part of our Heritage.
3. Electric eels like hovercrafts because of their association with the see, therefore, electric eels should be persuaded to jump start any hovercraft where the battery is dead.
77.

Best meal of the Day
It is proposed that we should introduce Asparagus for breakfast.
78.

Mind the manholes
In order to reduce polution all cars must have their engines removed, instead they should have holes in the bottom where people can put their feet and run along. This would be a little bit like the flintstones
79.

Women's football
To get more men to watch women's football all players should have to swap shirts at the end of games (or better still, every time they kick the ball?)
80.

Rainbow stop
It is proposed that we should get rid of three colour traffic lights, and replace it with a much larger spectrum.
81.

Good Morning
It should be illegal to wake up prior to 9.00 A.M. Offenders will made to work on a treadmill for 25 hours, and then woken up after 30 mins heavy sleep with a large alarm clock. Thrown at them.
The exception to this rule will be Doctors who, will have to work longer hours due to the extra number of reported head injuries
82.

An Englishman's home is his Chateaux
It is proposed that everyone in England should buy one hundred square meters (or be subsidized to do so) of France.
The English would then own France, saving a lot of arguments, and winning us another UN veto...
After owning France, It is proposed that we should rent it back to the French
Then we should start on Germany.
83.

Fellowship of the OMRLP
It is proposed that being the Lord of the Ring should be illegal. Anyone who owns the Ring should hand it into the capable hands of the OMRLP. From now on, when ever someone disappears, they should be called "Smeagol" or "Gollum" instead of John or Jane Doe.
84.

Harry's Potty
As punishment, for their crimes against fiction, Daniel Radcliff, Emma Watson and Christopher Columbus (Harry Potter, Hermionie and the director of Harry Potter, respectively) should be made to stand in front of the ridiculous sign in Kings Cross. Platform 3 and 3/4s,
85.

Logical New Industries
The energizer should be invented. As should the Enterprise. As should the Vulcan.
Don't understand why? Well it is highly illogical...
86.

Working Time Regulations
Dr. Who shall be made to work doctors hours, we shall not be biased towards Time Lords.
87.

Computations
Canon should be shot. Dell shall be pelted with dill. There should be 5 Pentiums. Why arn't Windows crystal clear?
88.

A Place in History
History should be renamed Geography. As in "Right that's it. You're geography!"
89.

Waxing Works
Madame Tussaud's should be renamed Ms Tussaud's.
90.

Start Wars
Jedi should be recognised as a Religion. Did you know that there are more Jedi's in England than Jews, Buddhists, Sikhs, or anything that isn't Hindu, Christian or Muslim.
91.

Not liked
It is suggested that we should be xenophobic. But, being English, it isn't practical.
92.

Guard Dogs
Guard Dogs shall no longer be permitted.(they're so vicious)
It is proposed that they will be replaced with Guard Tortoises,
called Shelly.
93.

Olimpix
Supermarket Trolley Formation Dancing to be made an Olimpick event.
94.

Health & Wealth
All persons born with "a silver spoon in their mouth" will have it surgically removed at birth on the N.H.S
This will help to prevent mental illness in later years. i.e. Delusions of Self Importance.
95.

Things going Bad
We will set up an inquiry to find out if:
(a). Things are really that Bad and
(b). They are out to get you
96.

Bon Voyage
We will pass a law ordering British Airways flight attendants to CHEER UP!
97.

Keep Fit
P.E should be an optional school subject and not permited during winter. (Unless you permit it)
98.

Spectator Sport
Cricket will be made more interesting by elliminating the use of padding. (and possibly Cricket Bats)

Notable policies
To combat global warming and climate change all buildings should be fitted with air conditioning units on the outside.
Make it illegal for super heroes to use their powers for evil.
The Loch Ness Monster should be added to the endangered species list.
Ozzy Osborne must receive a knighthood.
All asylum seekers would be allowed to stay as long as they can tell a
good joke
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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
April 22 2010 08:59 GMT
#171
On April 22 2010 16:11 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
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If I'm focusing too much on cuts and taxes you seem to be ignoring them completely. You can't cut our deficit any other way. "Maintaining aggregate demand and stimulating productive activity" is very important but it won't reduce a deficit by itself.


Actually it can. The economic mechanisms behind this are well understood and not particularly controversial even among mainstream economists, although they have been obscured in the current hysteria. Demand and productive activity are what generate economic growth, which by itself puts downward pressure on government deficits as tax revenue increases and welfare payments decrease. As I said, none of this is by itself controversial and an attention to the historical record confirms it pretty much beyond any doubt.

The fact remains that your claim that "the sooner you do it the better" is not self-evidently true. And indeed attempting to make serious reductions in the deficit right now would be most unwise.

Well you cherry picked that quote. I agree it's not true in all cases and we shouldn't cut hard this year.
I don't know whether you consider pay freezes as pay cuts, maybe you're suggesting you could freeze pay you weren't clear.

However if you seriously believe that the deficit in this country will go away by itself then I'm sorry but you're in an overwhelming minority of opinion.
It might be the case that when the deficit is within reasonable boundaries you can continue spending and recoup the loses but we are far removed from that reality.
What you're talking about is fantasy land.
We've done well so far to keep unemployment as low as it is and I think that's a tribute to the flexibility of our economy. But 2.8 million is still a very large figure. Attempting to reduce unemployment and increase tax revenue through greater productivity is definitely important but it's too little too late.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
UdderChaos
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom707 Posts
April 22 2010 09:09 GMT
#172
On April 22 2010 16:44 KwarK wrote:
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On April 22 2010 16:30 PobTheCad wrote:
The only wise choice would be to vote UKIP or BNP just to annoy the major parties

It's just a pity we can't vote for Hitler...
If only there were some way of wasting a vote that couldn't accidentally elect right wing xenophobes. Some way of spoiling a ballot. Or some kind of joke party that doesn't hate blacks. If only that existed. On a slightly related note, here is the 2010 manifesto of the Monster Raving Loony Party.
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1.

Cool on the outside:
To combat global warming and climate change all buildings should be fitted with air conditioning units on the outside.
2.

Wheelie Bins:
The idea of weight monitoring chips in wheelie bins should be scrapped, instead the wheels should be removed, this would mean that if people generated too much waist they could not put their non-wheelie bin out for collection. It would also help prevent them being chucked into canals.
3.

Needles
Due to the increasing number of children afraid of needles, I propose the destruction of the tedious, scary and often painful process of school vaccinations.
Instead, I propose that highly trained nurses should be given free reign on the playground with specially modified tranquillizer rifles which apply vaccinations as well as a tranquillizer. This would have two main benefits: It would be less scary for the children as they will not know what hit them, also it will be more fun for the nurses

4.

Hypocrites
It is proposed that all politicians be made to swear a "hippocratic oath", preventing them by law from being Hypocrites. All politicians should be made to stand by their policies, or or at least admit that they were wrong.

5.


GCSE Lottery
It is proposed that, before the beginning of exams, the exam board will select a certain obscure phrase which will be kept secret. If any pupil inadvertently writes this phrase in any exam,he/she will automaticaly receive straight A* grades, and a free teddy.
6. One Sided Policy

It is proposed that The European Union end its discrimination by creating a "Court of Human Lefts" because their present policy is one_sided.
7.

Prison Food
The problems of prison overcrowding and increased crime will be solved easily by issuing a compulsory contract on McDonalds to do all prison catering. Convervative estimates suggest a 50% reduction in crime rates within 2 years with 0% re-offender figures.
8.

Political Colours
All politicians should paint them self's permantly head to toe in the colour of the party they represent - e.g. all Labour candidates in Red , all Conservatives in Blue ,etc,etc
9.

One hours silence.
At 12 0' clock pm every day we will have a one hour silence dedicated to our time that has been lost due to work, home and labour
10.

Good Heroes
Make it illegal for super heroes to use their powers for evil.
11. Safe Tractors
Ban tractors from driving on roads, they can drive across their fields.
12.
13. Scary Terrorists
Ban all terrorists from having beards as they look scary.
14.
15.

Poop Scoop
Anyone allowing their Hyena to poop on the pavement should shovel it away immediately, As this is no laughing matter
16. Put a Sock in it
All socks to be sold in packs of 3 as a precaution against losing one.



(checkout this website to find the inventor of this product www.THROX.com ... )
17. A Hanging Offence
It is proposed to systematicly destroy all wire coat hangers.
Shirts slip off them. People hang them on doorhandles. They bend when you hang jeans on them. The flick off rails. They join together in pairs. The gaggle in dodgy, tinny, wiry orgies, tingling nastily. They have a static sneer. Have you ever actually seen anybody buy them? Who even sells them? Do they just appear in your wardrobes? They seem to have a near endless domestic omnipresence.
Not only a waste of wire, but a waste of time. How often have you had to rehang things on them? Or perhaps Reiron shirts after being bent ruthlessly shapelss thereon? Then they spin of the rail and onto the floor. You kick them and then get wrapped around your foot, or sibling. And then if you can find a bin that will fit such a stupidly angular object, the sadistic little sharp corner on the hook rips the bag and there it is again, escaped. What a malicious little sod.
Let's face it; The only use for metal coat hangers is to unravel them and make them into something else.
Therefore, it is proposed that all wire coathangers should be systematically hung, drawn and unravelled, under the 1936 Public Order Act.
18.

Eurofit
The European Constitution which will be sorted out by going for a long Walk. "As everyone knows that walking is good for the constitution"
19.

Sweet Shares
Sell shares in Northen rock, buy shares in Blackpool rock!
20.

Terror Passport
Separate Passports for Terrorists: Terrorists should be required (by virtue of law) to apply for separate passports in which they give there full contact details, number of explosives, and time (as well as location) of any plot. This would save time and money in gathering intelligence, and could also help identify the intended ambition(s) behind any atrocity(s).
21.

Obeescity in Kids
If you want your kids to be less fat...feed em less (do we need to make a policy of this?....its common sense)
22.

Making Taxes Irrelevant
Abolishing the ‘inheritance tax’ is all well and good, but what will the funds be replaced with?
It is proposed to create an ‘irrelevance tax’, where people of limited seriousness make up the tax shortfall.
What better way to obtain public support than to abolish inheritance tax AND pay the public’s taxation at the same time!
23.

Allotted Proposal
A proposal by DBopenlock. Make Weeding an olympic sport in order to save the 100 year old Manor Garden Allotments from being demolished for the 2012 games.
24.

Isle of?
It is proposed that the Isle of Man be renamed to "The Isle of Men, Women, Children and some Animals" as not just men live there
25.

NHS Dentistry.
All newly trained Dentists will be require to have three teeth removed, 2 fillings and root canal work done without anesthetic. Then they will know the agony they inflict on the rest of us.
26.

Interesting News:
Every day the news should tell people an interesting fact in a hope to increase people's knowledge.
27.

A Warm solution:
It is proposed that all pavements are heated so it is possible to walk bare foot in the winter, this would also serve another purpose by making the pavements warm no ice would form on them thereby reducing the risk of injury for everyone.
28.

A Lions share:
It is proposed that we change the English symbol of three lions to 3 badgers. How often do you see lions running round the countryside, we should be proud of the lack of wild and interesting species on our fair isle.
29.

Olimpic event:
'Following the Leader' is a pastime that has been cast aside by society today and we think it should become an extreme event in the Olimpicks. (We are keeping this one hidden from Tony Blair as he may make it law)
30.

Political correctness
The Isle of Wight should be changed to: "The Isle of Mixed Races, and Cultures Located off the Coast of Britain."
31.

Animal fashions
It is proposed that ets, especially cats and dogs, may not be dressed in miniature human clothing for the purpose of human amusement, unless the animal in question can equip the clothing himself/herself. Punishable by dressing the owner of the animal in miniature human clothing.
32.

Edukayshun
GCSE English exams be given a more straight-forward layout, with lots of
short questions like the Maths papers have.
33.

Education (Skool acktiviteas)
Homework should be banned as it is bad enough for kids having to go to school let
alone bring it home with them
34.

Bright Skoolkids
Bright pupils will be provided with dimmer switches to prevent them distracting the rest of the class.
35.

Skool Dinners r hot?
School dinners must be regularly checked for radioactivity.
36.

P.E.lessons
We should teach proper sports in P.E. e.g. Fishing, Fencing,
and how to let the head teacher's car tyres down without getting caught.
37.

Education
As well as using computers in schools, children should be taught to reed, rite, and appreciate rock.
38.

Keep Edukayshun Fit
In order to keep our teachers fit, 3 periods a week of PE will be allocated for teachers/headmasters and any ancillary staff who happen to be in the area (i.e dinner ladies etc,) (and pupils get to watch. Skipping for men and football for ladies)
39.

Bench mark for schools
To combat discomfort and possible medical litigation, Cushions will be provided for all school chairs.
40.

Skools Out
School will be dismissed if three or more pigeons make it into the central corridor.
41.

SKool Dinners
Pizza Hut and KFC to provide school meals.
42.

Teaching Skool Dress Code
All teachers should come to school dressed as pink teddy bears then they will
not be so intimidating.
43.

Too much Talking
Languages should be banned in schools as most kids (and adults) have trouble with English.
44.

No fly Zone
It is proposed to declare the Channel Tunnel a No Fly Zone.
45.

Telling Fibbs
It is proposed that Political leaders are banned if they avoid a straight answer "Yes" or "No". As they may still be telling fibbs, any such person found to string out an answer longer than2.8 seconds should be forced to undertake a lie detector test.
46.

Elecshun Lottery
It is proposed that people should have a free go on the national lottery when they go and vote.
47.

Bugged Singers
All singers who's names sound like infectious diseases( i.e: Chriestina Aguilera, Natalie Imbruglia) will be provided with free antibiotics courtesy of the NHS, just in case it spreads. You can never be safe enough!
48.

Paper (Health & Safety)
Paper cuts (being extremely painful) should be banned. Paper manufacturers will be required to surround all paper with a foam frame. This will ensure that it will not be harmful to children under the age of 80.
49.

Say "No" to Cruelty
It is proposed to abolish all kinds of animal cruely including flie swatters, hunting, chasing kangaroos off cliffs etc, also eating of plants as it causes undue stress to the plant and all weed killers shold be considered as a weapon of mass destruction, pain should also be made illegal.
50.

Poetic License
Poets will have to sign up for a 'poetic license' this way shoddy poetry will be eliminated. Also in the test for the license wannabe poets will need to write funny limericks. They will be asked to produce at least one a week, or they are stripped of their license.
51.

Fun Shopping
To boost the country's economy - it is proposed that British citizens visit shopping centres wearing a squeeky red clown nose and green wig. This would make shopping mush more fun.
52.

Stop Me and Fry One
Combine the love of Fishing with the great british love of queuing by putting bus stops near canals and lakes. This will also provide convenient homeward transport for britain's proud anglers and will save space.
53.

Nice Curves
A government agency will be set up to paint contour lines on to hills and colour roads the same as on maps. This will help people know where they are.
54.

Elections Make You Cross.
Why do we put a "cross" on the ballot paper.
A cross normally means "thats wrong".
We propose that a "tick" would be more suitable.
Putting across next to someones name on the ballot paper is as good as writing
"monumental cock up" next to their name.
55.

Iraq.
Polcy on Iraq: Since Iraq needs to have a proper infrastructure before they can run their own country, I propose we send our traffic wardens out to Iraq to give tickets to American Jeeps and Tanks illegally parked thereby raising much needed revenue for the Iraq government (and giving us a much needed break!)
56.

Prescott Day
Since we have Guy Fawkes day because Fawkes ATTEMPTED to destroy Parliament (Penny for the Guy, mate!) and we burn effigies of Fawkes, should we not have a John Prescott day for SUCCEEDING in destroying Parliament, well credibility at least (Penny for the John, mate!) and we could throw John on the bonfire.
57.

National Defense.
To keep our nation on it's toes, we should have a minimum of 2 nuclear war drills a day.
58.

Jumping the Que
We propose dedicated pogo stick lanes on routes to centres of work.
59.

Parking Wardens Sarcasm.
All traffic wardens should be banned from using the phrase "Hello wing
commander having trouble taking off"
60.

Lucky Month.
We propose to create 13th month, to get all those little things out of the way. The things you just never had time to do... like take out the trash, vote in a general election, learn Latin...
Another benefit would be that all monthly paid earners would receive an extra months pay.
61.

Nessie
The Loch Ness Monster should be added to the endangered species list.
62.

Good Knight
Ozzy Osborne must receive a knighthood.
63.

Home of your Own
All new homes should be built with a swimming pool and bouncy castle as standard.
To lower the house prices and help young people I propose we erase the last ‘0’ from the price.
64.

Seating Arrangements
All armchairs and sofas should be redesigned so as not to include a gap where small articles (such as loose change, keys, remote controls and kitchen sinks) can fall down.
65.

Disipline in Parliament
Government Whips will only be used if a politician has been really bad. Minor offences should receive the political slipper.
66.

Footnote
Asterisks will be banned*
67.

Asylum's a Joke
All asylum seekers would be allowed to stay as long as they can tell a
good joke
68.

Defense
All soldiers serving abroad would be issued with a long ranged laser guided water pistols
69.

Obecity...obeesIT....fat kids
To tackle the growing problem of obesity in children, It is proposed that all stair lifts in old folks homes be removed and replaced with hand operated pulley systems. These pulley systems will be operated by the obese children on a rotational period so as not to cut into their schooling. The effort required to lift these OAP's will be adequate exercise for our plump offspring.
70.

Foreign policy:
Whenever Great Britain is to play host to a foreign nation in an international sporting event, the British teams should ensure that the visiting team wins. This is correct and proper - it is only polite to allow our guest to win a few games. The beneficial effects of such a policy should not be underestimated, indeed the recent war in Iraq could well have been averted if the forces of Saddam Hussein had been allowed to win a one day international cricket match or a nice game of rugger.
71.

Saintly State
The creation of a "State-Saint-System" where-by people can vote for ANYONE who they wish to be blessed in as a saint - EXAMPLE. St Dodd of Tickle-stick, St Roy of the Rovers.
72.

N.H.S
Chocolate be available as a prescription drug
73.

Pay for Free CD's
Free CDs with magazines and newspapers be made genuinely free, and available to take away from shops, supermarkets and filling stations etc, and the purchase of the related newspaper and magazine selling the free CD, along with the CD itself be made an optional extra?
Those that choose not to buy the newspaper can then nominate a fish and chip shop to send the newspaper to, thereby supporting the environmentally friendly practice of paper recycling?
CDs aren't really free if you have to pay to get them!
74.

Paperwaits
Weekend newspapers. They're rather heavy aren't they, especially broadsheets? A lot of supplements you'll never bother to read. A waste isn't it?
How about paying a price for the 'Basic Broadsheet Package', that of the main newspaper on its own, and then a small top-up charge for those newspaper supplements that you will actually read, and leave the other supplements on the shelf to remain available to those interested in them?
75.

N.H.S
Maltesers should be on prescription.
76.

Traffic
As you may be aware, there have been recent measures to reduce congestion in London with proposals for other major cities to follow suit. It is proposed that all car owners in the affected areas (London and soon Birmingham, Manchester, etc,) be forced to replace their cars with hovercrafts for the following reasons:
1. Hovercrafts can go on all terrain, meaning they can spread out, take short cuts and go on water etc.
2. As they are inflatable, being hit by one will be less painful.
3. They could use the canal system, thus creating extra jobs and revitalizing a sadly neglected part of our Heritage.
3. Electric eels like hovercrafts because of their association with the see, therefore, electric eels should be persuaded to jump start any hovercraft where the battery is dead.
77.

Best meal of the Day
It is proposed that we should introduce Asparagus for breakfast.
78.

Mind the manholes
In order to reduce polution all cars must have their engines removed, instead they should have holes in the bottom where people can put their feet and run along. This would be a little bit like the flintstones
79.

Women's football
To get more men to watch women's football all players should have to swap shirts at the end of games (or better still, every time they kick the ball?)
80.

Rainbow stop
It is proposed that we should get rid of three colour traffic lights, and replace it with a much larger spectrum.
81.

Good Morning
It should be illegal to wake up prior to 9.00 A.M. Offenders will made to work on a treadmill for 25 hours, and then woken up after 30 mins heavy sleep with a large alarm clock. Thrown at them.
The exception to this rule will be Doctors who, will have to work longer hours due to the extra number of reported head injuries
82.

An Englishman's home is his Chateaux
It is proposed that everyone in England should buy one hundred square meters (or be subsidized to do so) of France.
The English would then own France, saving a lot of arguments, and winning us another UN veto...
After owning France, It is proposed that we should rent it back to the French
Then we should start on Germany.
83.

Fellowship of the OMRLP
It is proposed that being the Lord of the Ring should be illegal. Anyone who owns the Ring should hand it into the capable hands of the OMRLP. From now on, when ever someone disappears, they should be called "Smeagol" or "Gollum" instead of John or Jane Doe.
84.

Harry's Potty
As punishment, for their crimes against fiction, Daniel Radcliff, Emma Watson and Christopher Columbus (Harry Potter, Hermionie and the director of Harry Potter, respectively) should be made to stand in front of the ridiculous sign in Kings Cross. Platform 3 and 3/4s,
85.

Logical New Industries
The energizer should be invented. As should the Enterprise. As should the Vulcan.
Don't understand why? Well it is highly illogical...
86.

Working Time Regulations
Dr. Who shall be made to work doctors hours, we shall not be biased towards Time Lords.
87.

Computations
Canon should be shot. Dell shall be pelted with dill. There should be 5 Pentiums. Why arn't Windows crystal clear?
88.

A Place in History
History should be renamed Geography. As in "Right that's it. You're geography!"
89.

Waxing Works
Madame Tussaud's should be renamed Ms Tussaud's.
90.

Start Wars
Jedi should be recognised as a Religion. Did you know that there are more Jedi's in England than Jews, Buddhists, Sikhs, or anything that isn't Hindu, Christian or Muslim.
91.

Not liked
It is suggested that we should be xenophobic. But, being English, it isn't practical.
92.

Guard Dogs
Guard Dogs shall no longer be permitted.(they're so vicious)
It is proposed that they will be replaced with Guard Tortoises,
called Shelly.
93.

Olimpix
Supermarket Trolley Formation Dancing to be made an Olimpick event.
94.

Health & Wealth
All persons born with "a silver spoon in their mouth" will have it surgically removed at birth on the N.H.S
This will help to prevent mental illness in later years. i.e. Delusions of Self Importance.
95.

Things going Bad
We will set up an inquiry to find out if:
(a). Things are really that Bad and
(b). They are out to get you
96.

Bon Voyage
We will pass a law ordering British Airways flight attendants to CHEER UP!
97.

Keep Fit
P.E should be an optional school subject and not permited during winter. (Unless you permit it)
98.

Spectator Sport
Cricket will be made more interesting by elliminating the use of padding. (and possibly Cricket Bats)

Notable policies
To combat global warming and climate change all buildings should be fitted with air conditioning units on the outside.
Make it illegal for super heroes to use their powers for evil.
The Loch Ness Monster should be added to the endangered species list.
Ozzy Osborne must receive a knighthood.
All asylum seekers would be allowed to stay as long as they can tell a
good joke

To be fair the BNP are not neo-natzis. They don't agree with the principles of the third Reich and they are not white-supremacists either. Don't get me wrong they are still messed up and have some pretty crazy policies, but i think Nick Griffin's best weapon is that some of the electorate who sympathize with him see him being criticized for other things he's not guilty for rather than what he really should be criticized for. He believes in localized supremacy, so for example he would consider himself a second class citizen in another country the same way he thinks black people and Asian people are second class citizens in England. Also people accusing him for being stupid because he is racist is false as well, he's oxford educated and reasonably intelligent, Hitler was also pretty intelligent too, racism =/ low IQ. The reason he is crazy is because localized supremacy doesn't make any sense and he picks an arbitrary moment, the end of the ice age, for someone to be "truly" British, which makes no sense either. And also he has some other totally misguided views but at least criticize him on what hes actually got wrong, don't fuel his victim card.
Nunquam iens addo vos sursum
Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2109 Posts
April 22 2010 09:22 GMT
#173
He thinks gay men kissing is disgusting, so I would never ever vote for him on that point alone.
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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
April 22 2010 09:31 GMT
#174
On April 22 2010 18:22 Kerotan wrote:
He thinks gay men kissing is disgusting, so I would never ever vote for him on that point alone.

I find he comes across as a Christian fundamentalist. He talks about a country that is Christian, British and white.
The guy is very misguided and lacks any understanding of history it seems BUT he's not a Nazi.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
April 22 2010 09:35 GMT
#175
On April 22 2010 16:20 KwarK wrote:
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On April 22 2010 07:11 sc4k wrote:
I want to throw out another general question for any Brits to help me on. Can anyone give me some concrete facts about how being in the EU is good for our country? I hear a lot of invective from UKIP and anti-EU ppl but usually most knowledgeable people just shrug off the comments; it doesn't help people like me who really are clueless on the issue.

EU has protectionist tariffs that make trading with EU nations hard for outsiders. We're geographically forced to trade with the EU. Therefore it is hugely economically beneficial to be within it.
All the arguments about the continental level being practical for energy, trade, environmental, fishing management are also good but the main one is economic. Britain has always benefitted economically from being within the European single market.


So do you reckon Britain gains anything close to the something like £13 billion we pay to the EU from our budget by being in the EU?
Arbiter[frolix]
Profile Joined January 2004
United Kingdom2674 Posts
April 22 2010 09:59 GMT
#176
Well you cherry picked that quote.


I took issue with it, which is not the same thing. It would only constitute cherry-picking if it misrepresented your position as you outlined it but it is unclear that it does since the quote itself is a fairly straightforward and unequivocal.

I agree it's not true in all cases and we shouldn't cut hard this year.


And this is a modification of your earlier position and contradicts the unequivocal statement that "the sooner you do it the better".

However if you seriously believe that the deficit in this country will go away by itself then I'm sorry but you're in an overwhelming minority of opinion.


I do not believe it will go away by itself, nor have I suggested such. I believe it will decrease as a consequence of an increase in aggregate demand and productive activity in the economy, as it has done countless times before throughout the history of all the nations of the developed world.

Further I do not believe that on this specific point I am in an "overwhelming minority", although given the framing of the issue in the media (which are reflecting the concerns of the political establishment) it may seem that way. As I said earlier, none of this is even outside the spectrum of mainstream economics.

What you're talking about is fantasy land.


Very far from it. In fact nothing I am saying, as I keep pointing out, is even outside the spectrum of mainstream economics on this particular issue, for which plenty of evidence is readily available. The basic issues are well understood: taking measures which reduce aggregate demand (such as overly hasty "austerity measures"), causes a decline in economic activity which reduces tax revenues, drives up welfare payments and thus puts upward pressure on the deficit once more.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
April 22 2010 10:02 GMT
#177
On April 22 2010 18:35 sc4k wrote:
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On April 22 2010 16:20 KwarK wrote:
On April 22 2010 07:11 sc4k wrote:
I want to throw out another general question for any Brits to help me on. Can anyone give me some concrete facts about how being in the EU is good for our country? I hear a lot of invective from UKIP and anti-EU ppl but usually most knowledgeable people just shrug off the comments; it doesn't help people like me who really are clueless on the issue.

EU has protectionist tariffs that make trading with EU nations hard for outsiders. We're geographically forced to trade with the EU. Therefore it is hugely economically beneficial to be within it.
All the arguments about the continental level being practical for energy, trade, environmental, fishing management are also good but the main one is economic. Britain has always benefitted economically from being within the European single market.


So do you reckon Britain gains anything close to the something like £13 billion we pay to the EU from our budget by being in the EU?

Pretty sure we do yeah, otherwise it would be pointless being a member of it.
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sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-22 10:39:16
April 22 2010 10:37 GMT
#178
Need moar facts though

PS. Another issue- people have been talking about lowering the voting age to 16. Personally, that seems ludicrous. I doubt enough 18 year olds even watch know or have time for anything substantial in the political realm. 16 year olds...the thought just boggles my mind. Any thoughts?
bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
April 22 2010 10:41 GMT
#179
On April 22 2010 16:25 KwarK wrote:
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On April 22 2010 06:33 bmml wrote:
On April 22 2010 05:48 bmml wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On April 22 2010 05:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It will be interesting to see how Clegg does in the next debate(s)?
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The origins of Cleggmania can be traced to last week's televised debate -- a first in Great Britain -- in which Clegg was widely considered to have stolen the show from the leaders of Britain's two largest political parties: current Prime Minister Gordon Brown of the Labour Party, and Conservative Party leader David Cameron. The headline the next day in the London Times read "Clegg comes of age." A poll taken after the debate led the Guardian to declare that "Clegg is now in contention as potential PM."

To top it off, the latest YouGov poll shows the Liberal Democrats to now be in the lead with 34 percent of the vote. The Conservative Party came in second with 31 percent. A week ago the Liberal Dems were hovering around 16 percent. Andrew Sullivan of the Daily Dish referred to the poll result as "the earthquake in Britain." John Curtice of the Independent has called the Liberal Dems' surge "the biggest shock to the electoral landscape in years."


Source


The next debate is on SkyNews (a channel relatively unwatched by the masses and only avaliable on digital tv) and will (I believe) probably only manage about 5 million views, half the previous. It is also focused on economics which I would say is the Lib Dems strong points if Clegg can just repeat the things talked about by Vince Cable in the chancellors debate a few weeks ago (which Cable was said to have "won" I'd imagine he'd "win" again, though Cameron/Brown will probably be far more critical of the Clegg in the next debate since they have seen the power hes supposedly gained from playing the "man on the outside" in the last one.

ughhh sorry for double post
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Scrap that it seems as though tommorows debate is on foreign policy. It'd be hard to see Brown coming out poorly in this one simply due to his experience.

His claims about meeting every army demand for funds simply aren't true (but how could they be when the army is a black hole that'll spend whatever you give it). I expect Cameron to lay into him about requests which were refused while he was Chancellor, for while his record has been somewhat better in the last few years he cannot escape the fact that he has controlled the budget for 13 years. As the incumbent he cannot strike back at their records and his own is vulnerable.


Thats a fair point, but I'd have to say Clegg will probably do well in the public's eyes due to the dropping of the trident missile defense system plans.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-22 12:12:34
April 22 2010 12:05 GMT
#180
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On April 22 2010 18:59 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
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Well you cherry picked that quote.


I took issue with it, which is not the same thing. It would only constitute cherry-picking if it misrepresented your position as you outlined it but it is unclear that it does since the quote itself is a fairly straightforward and unequivocal.

Show nested quote +
I agree it's not true in all cases and we shouldn't cut hard this year.


And this is a modification of your earlier position and contradicts the unequivocal statement that "the sooner you do it the better".

Show nested quote +
However if you seriously believe that the deficit in this country will go away by itself then I'm sorry but you're in an overwhelming minority of opinion.


I do not believe it will go away by itself, nor have I suggested such. I believe it will decrease as a consequence of an increase in aggregate demand and productive activity in the economy, as it has done countless times before throughout the history of all the nations of the developed world.

Further I do not believe that on this specific point I am in an "overwhelming minority", although given the framing of the issue in the media (which are reflecting the concerns of the political establishment) it may seem that way. As I said earlier, none of this is even outside the spectrum of mainstream economics.

Show nested quote +
What you're talking about is fantasy land.


Very far from it. In fact nothing I am saying, as I keep pointing out, is even outside the spectrum of mainstream economics on this particular issue, for which plenty of evidence is readily available. The basic issues are well understood: taking measures which reduce aggregate demand (such as overly hasty "austerity measures"), causes a decline in economic activity which reduces tax revenues, drives up welfare payments and thus puts upward pressure on the deficit once more.

If the evidence is readily available I would like you to point to one position in history where a deficit nearly as large as ours was removed without taxation or spending cuts.

Keynesian economics is very clear that spending during a recession is a good idea.
But he famously argued that governments should solve problems in the short run rather than waiting for market forces to do it in the long run, because "in the long run, we are all dead."
The other half of the cycle is that during the boom time a Government should increase taxes or cut spending to supress inflation and reduce or remove debt.
The saving side of the cycle was ignored by our current Government. They borrowed money every year when times were good.... simply to pay for services we couldn't afford.
Now some of those things were investment, which is good. Keynes would agree that some investment can mean greater long term output. The problem is a great deal of spending is NOT investment. It's jobs for the sake of jobs that we couldn't afford in 2005 when Brown hailed "Britain's new economic stability" and we certainly can't afford it now.

Edit: Is it not true that to suggest all cuts would be bad you are implying that every public job is an investment that increases long term output. I simply cannot fathom that to be true.
If you got rid of a useless job you would not lose more in tax and unemployment benefits than you gained in not employing them.
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