A woman from Tambov, Russia known as the “Black Widow” because she loves horror films and spiders, is currently on trial for drugging and raping 10 men.
The woman, known only as Valeria K., would lure men back to her apartment where she would serve them drinks laced with a powerful sedative that would put them to sleep for about 24 hours. She would then undress them, stimulate them and tie a rope around their penis to keep it erect while she had sex sith them.
The men would end up in hospital with symptoms of poisoning and penis trauma after they awoke. When police were called, all the men told them about a hot brunette woman they had been fooling around with before they blacked out. With descriptions of the woman from so many victims, police were able to arrest Valeria K. for rape.
So far, police know about 10 victims, but only 9 of them are pressing charges against her. The 10th man is refusing to press charges, saying he remembers bits and pieces of the incident and enjoyed it. He says “I like hot women,” and thought the assault “was great.” He does however, regret that he was drugged and couldn’t remember more.
I dunno about you guys but I never mind it when a hot Russian woman drugs and rapes me for 24 hours. Realistically what else would I be doing in that time?
Rofl at the 10th guy. Seems to be a little messed up, I mean, if she was gonna rape them to the point of damaging their junk she should have at least let them be conscious and try to enjoy it.
On December 12 2009 10:23 numLoCK wrote: Rofl at the 10th guy. Seems to be a little messed up, I mean, if she was gonna rape them to the point of damaging their junk she should have at least let them be conscious and try to enjoy it.
You're not suppose to enjoy it when you're getting raped. If you do, thats just sex.
Once again kwark takes the word out of my mouth, he's not a baller. Most likely he's the coward out of them just not wanting to acknowledge what happened and is probably ashamed.
If she is a good looking woman, she could have just asked them to fuck her. None of them would have said no. And even if they did say no, they would have at least had a major boost in self-esteem.
I wonder why she did it... I mean if she's really that hot, there will guys lining up to sleep with her. Even if its dominatrix stuff, she wouldn't have trouble finding guys
This thread is overwhelmingly misogynist. How about you people give women a tiny bit of respect and accept that a rape and all that it implicates can not only be performed by a man.
Being raped is not a positive thing no matter what the gender order. I agree with Cloud, being raped by an woman would be a emasculating and potentially traumatic experience.
Also, "in soviet russia" jokes are stupid and never ever ever ever funny.
On December 12 2009 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Being raped is not a positive thing no matter what the gender order. I agree with Cloud, being raped by a woman would be a emasculating and potentially traumatic experience.
Also, "in soviet russia" jokes are stupid and never ever ever ever funny.
Poisoning and penis trauma is pretty mild, its not like thats even close to being the worse a woman can do to you :o Not that I condone penis trauma, penis trauma is not cool... but I guess it depends on how hot she really was (jk)
On December 12 2009 12:31 heyoka wrote: YOU CAN'T RAPE THE WILLING
Willingness to have sex =/= consent to be drugged and physically harmed. These men would not be filing charges if this was a pleasant experience for them. Being knocked unconscious and then having your genitals fucked up doesn't sound like the greatest to me, dunno about you guys.
It is truly sad how many posters here just see a woman aggressive about sex instead of a woman who poisoned unwitting suitors and caused "trauma[tic]" penile damage.
On December 12 2009 12:47 NFL2368 wrote: 10 = normal human being
I can't imagine how any of the other guys could have been "traumatized" by the experience honestly
Drugged and their penis was constricted to "stay up". Leads me to believe that there might be damage to the organ cuz she strapped their penis sooo tight to not let the blood go away. Therefore, after the first hour, instead of pleasure, they feel pain.
Have you ever tied a finger with a rubber band until it turned purple and got cold? Then left it there for 2 hours? then untied it and let the blood rush back in? PAINFUL!
Can i do that to your penis? Pretty please? Jokes aside, this is fucken serious. Just because she is hot doesnt change what she did. What if it was a fat ugly bitch? Exactly.
Wow, this shit is legit. 10 = boss, and the rest are pussies. This article made me laugh so hard, "Tie the penis' off with rope" ouch... and the fact that she drugged them in the first place wtf? If she is how why bother drugging guys since they would bang her anyway.
On December 12 2009 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Being raped is not a positive thing no matter what the gender order. I agree with Cloud, being raped by a woman would be a emasculating and potentially traumatic experience.
Also, "in soviet russia" jokes are stupid and never ever ever ever funny.
What a joke.
Being dominated by a woman is definitely emasculating are you fucking kidding
I think it's more an issue of control than just sex. She's probably a sexual sadist/sociopath who needs the element of control and torture in order to have a pleasurable sexual experience
That aside, even if she's a sociopath, as long as she's hot, I still don't see how people wouldn't have enjoyed the experience.
On December 12 2009 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Being raped is not a positive thing no matter what the gender order. I agree with Cloud, being raped by a woman would be a emasculating and potentially traumatic experience.
Also, "in soviet russia" jokes are stupid and never ever ever ever funny.
What a joke.
Being dominated by a woman is definitely emasculating are you fucking kidding
On December 12 2009 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Being raped is not a positive thing no matter what the gender order. I agree with Cloud, being raped by a woman would be a emasculating and potentially traumatic experience.
Also, "in soviet russia" jokes are stupid and never ever ever ever funny.
What a joke.
Being dominated by a woman is definitely emasculating are you fucking kidding
No, the word emasculating is a fucking joke. Manliness is about getting over things and not fucking crying. The only thing you can do to become emasculated is think that you have been emasculated. Its a joke.
Ironic you agree with cloud who is talking about treating women with respect and at the same time you apparently think that a woman in control is somehow incorrect and damaging. It doesn't make any sense. Rape may cause trauma and all that, but masculinity has nothing to do with it. Masculinity is just a made up word used by people who are not comfortable with their manliness level.
On December 12 2009 12:55 NFL2368 wrote: I think it's more an issue of control than just sex. She's probably a sexual sadist/sociopath who needs the element of control and torture in order to have a pleasurable sexual experience
That aside, even if she's a sociopath, as long as she's hot, I still don't see how people wouldn't have enjoyed the experience.
Being unconscious and non-consenting would be two definite factors in not enjoying such an experience.
And the fact that so many of you are jumping on the supposed attractiveness of this woman as a qualifier for this being alright makes me cringe.
On December 12 2009 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Being raped is not a positive thing no matter what the gender order. I agree with Cloud, being raped by a woman would be a emasculating and potentially traumatic experience.
Also, "in soviet russia" jokes are stupid and never ever ever ever funny.
What a joke.
Being dominated by a woman is definitely emasculating are you fucking kidding
No, the word emasculating is a fucking joke. Manliness is about getting over things and not fucking crying. The only thing you can do to become emasculated is think that you have been emasculated. Its a joke.
Ironic you agree with cloud who is talking about treating women with respect and at the same time you apparently think that a woman in control is somehow incorrect and damaging. It doesn't make any sense. Rape my cause trauma and all that, but masculinity has nothing to do with it. Masculinity is just a made up word used by people who are not comfortable with their manliness level.
I don't see how the idea that women should be given respect and treated equally and that being forcefully dominated by a woman against your will is damaging are contradictory ideas.
On December 12 2009 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Being raped is not a positive thing no matter what the gender order. I agree with Cloud, being raped by a woman would be a emasculating and potentially traumatic experience.
Also, "in soviet russia" jokes are stupid and never ever ever ever funny.
What a joke.
Being dominated by a woman is definitely emasculating are you fucking kidding
No, the word emasculating is a fucking joke. Manliness is about getting over things and not fucking crying. The only thing you can do to become emasculated is think that you have been emasculated. Its a joke.
Ironic you agree with cloud who is talking about treating women with respect and at the same time you apparently think that a woman in control is somehow incorrect and damaging. It doesn't make any sense. Rape my cause trauma and all that, but masculinity has nothing to do with it. Masculinity is just a made up word used by people who are not comfortable with their manliness level.
I don't see how the idea that women should be given respect and treated equally and that being forcefully dominated by a woman against your will is damaging are contradictory ideas.
Irony doesn't define contradiction. The point of my post was that masculinity isn't something that should be important in this situation or ever.
On December 12 2009 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Being raped is not a positive thing no matter what the gender order. I agree with Cloud, being raped by a woman would be a emasculating and potentially traumatic experience.
Also, "in soviet russia" jokes are stupid and never ever ever ever funny.
What a joke.
Being dominated by a woman is definitely emasculating are you fucking kidding
No, the word emasculating is a fucking joke. Manliness is about getting over things and not fucking crying. The only thing you can do to become emasculated is think that you have been emasculated. Its a joke.
Ironic you agree with cloud who is talking about treating women with respect and at the same time you apparently think that a woman in control is somehow incorrect and damaging. It doesn't make any sense. Rape my cause trauma and all that, but masculinity has nothing to do with it. Masculinity is just a made up word used by people who are not comfortable with their manliness level.
I don't see how the idea that women should be given respect and treated equally and that being forcefully dominated by a woman against your will is damaging are contradictory ideas.
Irony doesn't define contradiction. The point of my post was that masculinity isn't something that should be important in this situation or ever.
I can understand that point but trying to paint me as some sort of hypocrite is just retarded.
On December 12 2009 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Being raped is not a positive thing no matter what the gender order. I agree with Cloud, being raped by a woman would be a emasculating and potentially traumatic experience.
Also, "in soviet russia" jokes are stupid and never ever ever ever funny.
What a joke.
Being dominated by a woman is definitely emasculating are you fucking kidding
No, the word emasculating is a fucking joke. Manliness is about getting over things and not fucking crying. The only thing you can do to become emasculated is think that you have been emasculated. Its a joke.
Ironic you agree with cloud who is talking about treating women with respect and at the same time you apparently think that a woman in control is somehow incorrect and damaging. It doesn't make any sense. Rape my cause trauma and all that, but masculinity has nothing to do with it. Masculinity is just a made up word used by people who are not comfortable with their manliness level.
I don't see how the idea that women should be given respect and treated equally and that being forcefully dominated by a woman against your will is damaging are contradictory ideas.
Irony doesn't define contradiction. The point of my post was that masculinity isn't something that should be important in this situation or ever.
I can understand that point but your second paragraph was just stupid.
Not my fault if you can't see the connection or that you deny it.
On December 12 2009 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Being raped is not a positive thing no matter what the gender order. I agree with Cloud, being raped by a woman would be a emasculating and potentially traumatic experience.
Also, "in soviet russia" jokes are stupid and never ever ever ever funny.
What a joke.
Being dominated by a woman is definitely emasculating are you fucking kidding
No, the word emasculating is a fucking joke. Manliness is about getting over things and not fucking crying. The only thing you can do to become emasculated is think that you have been emasculated. Its a joke.
Ironic you agree with cloud who is talking about treating women with respect and at the same time you apparently think that a woman in control is somehow incorrect and damaging. It doesn't make any sense. Rape my cause trauma and all that, but masculinity has nothing to do with it. Masculinity is just a made up word used by people who are not comfortable with their manliness level.
I don't see how the idea that women should be given respect and treated equally and that being forcefully dominated by a woman against your will is damaging are contradictory ideas.
Irony doesn't define contradiction. The point of my post was that masculinity isn't something that should be important in this situation or ever.
I can understand that point but your second paragraph was just stupid.
Not my fault if you can't see the connection or that you deny it.
It isn't my fault that you aren't bright enough to see that those two ideas are completely separate and the two thoughts don't in any way conflict with each other.
On December 12 2009 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Being raped is not a positive thing no matter what the gender order. I agree with Cloud, being raped by a woman would be a emasculating and potentially traumatic experience.
Also, "in soviet russia" jokes are stupid and never ever ever ever funny.
What a joke.
Being dominated by a woman is definitely emasculating are you fucking kidding
No, the word emasculating is a fucking joke. Manliness is about getting over things and not fucking crying. The only thing you can do to become emasculated is think that you have been emasculated. Its a joke.
Ironic you agree with cloud who is talking about treating women with respect and at the same time you apparently think that a woman in control is somehow incorrect and damaging. It doesn't make any sense. Rape my cause trauma and all that, but masculinity has nothing to do with it. Masculinity is just a made up word used by people who are not comfortable with their manliness level.
I don't see how the idea that women should be given respect and treated equally and that being forcefully dominated by a woman against your will is damaging are contradictory ideas.
Irony doesn't define contradiction. The point of my post was that masculinity isn't something that should be important in this situation or ever.
I can understand that point but your second paragraph was just stupid.
Not my fault if you can't see the connection or that you deny it.
It isn't my fault that you aren't bright enough to see that those two ideas are completely separate and the two thoughts don't in any way conflict with each other.
I wasn't talking about the rape, I was talking about you thinking that being emasculated is negative
The context in which you talk about it suggests that you acknowledge that it can happen outside of this particular situation; otherwise how else would you be able to draw the implied comparison you did.
You don't see a bit of irony in someone who thinks women should be treated with equal respect yet also sees being emasculated (having a woman in control) is negative? I'm sorry for that. Calling me dumb just makes you look the fool. They aren't my words they are yours.
God, every time I see a thread like this I try to force myself not to read it but somehow I always end up doing so anyway.
I can't claim to fathom what goes through some of your heads, but I can't help but imagine it goes something like this:
oh look a trhead LOL it's about sex sex is cool what it's rape that's bad wait men were raped and I'm a MANLY MAN and I know MANLY MEN like sex because sex is the coolest thing ever and those guys had sex so they must be happy oh what being drugged and physical trauma eh that's kind of lame but sex is COOL so I guess it makes up for it
ohhey that tenth guy said it was okay so he must be a MANLY MAN like me not a pussy like those guys who thought they could possibly be unfairly violated by a woman LOL they had sex and sex is cool
I can't believe how many dumbasses in this thread thought they would have enjoyed this. Imagine talking to a hot girl in a club, thinking you're gonna get a chance to have sex with her. The next thing you know you wake up nauseous and disorientated, not remembering anything. Your penis is also damaged and in pain. Doesn't sound like a great time to me.
On December 12 2009 13:21 armed_ wrote: God, every time I see a thread like this I try to force myself not to read it but somehow I always end up doing so anyway.
I can't claim to fathom what goes through some of your heads, but I can't help but imagine it goes something like this:
oh look a trhead LOL it's about sex sex is cool what it's rape that's bad wait men were raped and I'm a MANLY MAN and I know MANLY MEN like sex because sex is the coolest thing ever and those guys had sex so they must be happy oh what being drugged and physical trauma eh that's kind of lame but sex is COOL so I guess it makes up for it
ohhey that tenth guy said it was okay so he must be a MANLY MAN like me not a pussy like those guys who thought they could possibly be unfairly violated by a woman LOL they had sex and sex is cool
;(
Arent you the smartest nerd in class... we are just having some fun, gtfo with your seriousness, a woman that raped 10 men is hilarious, of course its also sad and a bad thing to do but you cant not see why this is funny, god...
On December 12 2009 13:21 armed_ wrote: God, every time I see a thread like this I try to force myself not to read it but somehow I always end up doing so anyway.
I can't claim to fathom what goes through some of your heads, but I can't help but imagine it goes something like this:
oh look a trhead LOL it's about sex sex is cool what it's rape that's bad wait men were raped and I'm a MANLY MAN and I know MANLY MEN like sex because sex is the coolest thing ever and those guys had sex so they must be happy oh what being drugged and physical trauma eh that's kind of lame but sex is COOL so I guess it makes up for it
ohhey that tenth guy said it was okay so he must be a MANLY MAN like me not a pussy like those guys who thought they could possibly be unfairly violated by a woman LOL they had sex and sex is cool
;(
Arent you the smartest nerd in class... we are just having some fun, gtfo with your seriousness, a woman that raped 10 men is hilarious, of course its also sad and a bad thing to do but you cant not see why this is funny, god...
On December 12 2009 13:21 armed_ wrote: God, every time I see a thread like this I try to force myself not to read it but somehow I always end up doing so anyway.
I can't claim to fathom what goes through some of your heads, but I can't help but imagine it goes something like this:
oh look a trhead LOL it's about sex sex is cool what it's rape that's bad wait men were raped and I'm a MANLY MAN and I know MANLY MEN like sex because sex is the coolest thing ever and those guys had sex so they must be happy oh what being drugged and physical trauma eh that's kind of lame but sex is COOL so I guess it makes up for it
ohhey that tenth guy said it was okay so he must be a MANLY MAN like me not a pussy like those guys who thought they could possibly be unfairly violated by a woman LOL they had sex and sex is cool
;(
Arent you the smartest nerd in class... we are just having some fun, gtfo with your seriousness, a woman that raped 10 men is hilarious, of course its also sad and a bad thing to do but you cant not see why this is funny, god...
Wow.. that's awesome. Hot Russian chick drugs you up, knocks you out, then f*cks the shit outta you 'til your dick get sore? Heck I'd sign up for that, then try my damned hardest to remember as much as I could. If some hot chick drugged me and f-ed me that hard, I'd say that's automatic bragging rights right there. She could have chosen to f*ck you, but nooo she chose me. And it's not like she took them by physical force or anything, they were drugged. Penis trauma.. BOO HOO... can't be worse than a circumcision, and think about how many of those are performed on a daily basis.... on BABIES no less!! Yea, that's right, I went there. If babies can get over a circumcision then I better hope I can get over a little rope tied around my dong for a coupla hours. Besides it can't be any worse than what happened to Mr. John "Frankenpenis" Bobbit and if they can fix him up:
"The penis was re-attached by Dr. David Berman during a nine and a half hour operation."
then I'm sure those 9 pansies will be fine. As for dude #10, he doesn't need a doctor, he prolly just brushed it off like a real man and took care of the problem himself with a bottle of vodka!
On December 12 2009 10:15 Foreplay wrote: if she was so hot why did she have to rape them? and yes number 10 is a baller lol
I think it's really obvious and shouldn't need explanation.
So far, police know about 10 victims, but only 9 of them are pressing charges against her. The 10th man is refusing to press charges, saying he remembers bits and pieces of the incident and enjoyed it. He says “I like hot women,” and thought the assault “was great.” He does however, regret that he was drugged and couldn’t remember more.
Oh man this reminds me of what I do, see. I invite a girl over to watch a movie, and this girl is pretty into me, cause (duh!) I'm sexy as hell. While the movie's on I make us a couple drinks, only I drug hers. Soon enough she's passed out and I'm having my way with her. Tie her up and just have my way with her, bitch doesn't know what hit her. I keep her around for about a day or so just fucking the shit out of that sweet girl. Eventually she comes to feeling a little groggy and sore as hell. But I knew she was into me, so it's ok. I mean, it would've happened anyway, so what if she was passed out? I mean, I'm attractive, so it's ok! Right guys? Right?
On December 12 2009 14:06 ghermination wrote: Why is it rape? I'm pretty sure most of them didn't/wouldn't mind.
If you had bothered to actually absorb the details in the story, nine out of the ten known victims (which I'm pretty sure constitutes "most") are pressing charges against the woman. Now, I don't know about you, but I don't believe they'd be doing that if they didn't mind what she did to them.
I have a feeling half of the issues in this thread come from some people not knowing the definition of emasculate:
From Merriam-Webster: Emasculate
1 : to deprive of strength, vigor, or spirit : weaken 2 : to deprive of virility or procreative power : castrate 3 : to remove the androecium of (a flower) in the process of artificial cross-pollination
I wouldn't say the 10th guy is a hero, but he's probably turned on by it (and as he said, he wish he remembered what happened better). I hope they find happiness together and share their story with their grandchildren.
These sort of situations seem more like a weird assault than rape, although she might have an std.
On December 12 2009 10:16 fanatacist wrote: Lol typical Russian news, this happens way more often than is documented in public press. A lot of local stories like this are around.
On December 12 2009 13:52 GrumpySmurf wrote: Wow.. that's awesome. Hot Russian chick drugs you up, knocks you out, then f*cks the shit outta you 'til your dick get sore? Heck I'd sign up for that, then try my damned hardest to remember as much as I could. If some hot chick drugged me and f-ed me that hard, I'd say that's automatic bragging rights right there. She could have chosen to f*ck you, but nooo she chose me. And it's not like she took them by physical force or anything, they were drugged. Penis trauma.. BOO HOO... can't be worse than a circumcision, and think about how many of those are performed on a daily basis.... on BABIES no less!! Yea, that's right, I went there. If babies can get over a circumcision then I better hope I can get over a little rope tied around my dong for a coupla hours. Besides it can't be any worse than what happened to Mr. John "Frankenpenis" Bobbit and if they can fix him up:
"The penis was re-attached by Dr. David Berman during a nine and a half hour operation."
then I'm sure those 9 pansies will be fine. As for dude #10, he doesn't need a doctor, he prolly just brushed it off like a real man and took care of the problem himself with a bottle of vodka!
On December 12 2009 13:21 armed_ wrote: God, every time I see a thread like this I try to force myself not to read it but somehow I always end up doing so anyway.
I can't claim to fathom what goes through some of your heads, but I can't help but imagine it goes something like this:
oh look a trhead LOL it's about sex sex is cool what it's rape that's bad wait men were raped and I'm a MANLY MAN and I know MANLY MEN like sex because sex is the coolest thing ever and those guys had sex so they must be happy oh what being drugged and physical trauma eh that's kind of lame but sex is COOL so I guess it makes up for it
ohhey that tenth guy said it was okay so he must be a MANLY MAN like me not a pussy like those guys who thought they could possibly be unfairly violated by a woman LOL they had sex and sex is cool
On December 12 2009 14:31 igotmyown wrote: I wouldn't say the 10th guy is a hero, but he's probably turned on by it (and as he said, he wish he remembered what happened better). I hope they find happiness together and share their story with their grandchildren.
These sort of situations seem more like a weird assault than rape, although she might have an std.
Wow, the level of stupidity and immaturity in this thread is staggering. Rape is rape, no matter who the perpetrator and the victim are. The law must (or at least should) treat everyone equally, regardless of gender. I can't believe how many people there are in this thread who think that a crime as severe as rape is acceptable as long as the perpetrator is a woman and the victim a man.
I lol'd about the 10th guy too. Thanks for that As for rape, she should get the full sentence despite the cultural and intuitive bias presented in this thread.
Maybe the tenth guy got a better treatment all in all. The people having fantasies about getting raped by women don't see the "no choice" issue and the fact that you are very exposed in that situation. Besides, the times when men do get raped by women it mostly involves sticking stuff up their ass and other things that don't sounds appealing to most guys. Most likely the people who thinks this is funny or cool don't have sex that much and project their need for sex here.
I'm not trying to be a moralist or whatever you want to call it, but not everything is funny and full of lulz just because it's posted on the internet. I come to TL for the high level of content and discussion and threads like these are unfortunately bound to fail here.
On December 13 2009 01:34 Drunken.Jedi wrote: Wow, the level of stupidity and immaturity in this thread is staggering. Rape is rape, no matter who the perpetrator and the victim are. The law must (or at least should) treat everyone equally, regardless of gender. I can't believe how many people there are in this thread who think that a crime as severe as rape is acceptable as long as the perpetrator is a woman and the victim a man.
You call us stupid and immature and then make it clear that you base your values off of government-based law. Not the most effective argument I've seen to be honest.
On December 13 2009 01:34 Drunken.Jedi wrote: Wow, the level of stupidity and immaturity in this thread is staggering. Rape is rape, no matter who the perpetrator and the victim are. The law must (or at least should) treat everyone equally, regardless of gender. I can't believe how many people there are in this thread who think that a crime as severe as rape is acceptable as long as the perpetrator is a woman and the victim a man.
You call us stupid and immature and then make it clear that you base your values off of government-based law. Not the most effective argument I've seen to be honest.
I fail to see your point. While law doesn't equal the morally "right thing" always, this is actually more about gender roles than anything. That and the fact that nerds don't get laid alot typically, which results in guys coming into this thread and going "lol yeah nr 10 is a hero" etc.
The point is that in the process, the word "rape" gets really watered down, which is a disgrace to all the women who get raped daily.
Ok if the pictures are correct she is hot but I really doubt that I would enjoy the penis trauma. I guess she has some really weird fetish like Frits said.
On December 13 2009 01:34 Drunken.Jedi wrote: Wow, the level of stupidity and immaturity in this thread is staggering. Rape is rape, no matter who the perpetrator and the victim are. The law must (or at least should) treat everyone equally, regardless of gender. I can't believe how many people there are in this thread who think that a crime as severe as rape is acceptable as long as the perpetrator is a woman and the victim a man.
You call us stupid and immature and then make it clear that you base your values off of government-based law. Not the most effective argument I've seen to be honest.
Did you read my post? Where do I say that I base my values on laws? What I said was "[t]he law must (or at least should) treat everyone equally, regardless of gender" (emphasis added). This is a statement about what I regard as morally right, regardless of whether or not it is reflected in laws (which it isn't in many countries).
On December 13 2009 01:34 Drunken.Jedi wrote: Wow, the level of stupidity and immaturity in this thread is staggering. Rape is rape, no matter who the perpetrator and the victim are. The law must (or at least should) treat everyone equally, regardless of gender. I can't believe how many people there are in this thread who think that a crime as severe as rape is acceptable as long as the perpetrator is a woman and the victim a man.
You call us stupid and immature and then make it clear that you base your values off of government-based law. Not the most effective argument I've seen to be honest.
Did you read my post? Where do I say that I base my values on laws? What I said was "[t]he law must (or at least should) treat everyone equally, regardless of gender" (emphasis added). This is a statement about what I regard as morally right, regardless of whether or not it is reflected in laws (which it isn't in many countries).
Maybe it was also your usage of "crime" in conjunction with "law" that led me to believe you meant it from a governmental stance. My apologies. I obviously read your post, or I would not reply to it. That's almost insulting. I also said "make it clear", as in I inferred from what you were saying that you based your values on laws. If your only personal response were to be based on our justice system, I'd have to assume that you based your values of what is morally right or wrong on laws.
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