• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:17
CEST 16:17
KST 23:17
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview3[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10
Community News
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !0Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base
Brood War
General
Do we have a pimpest plays list? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ (Spoiler) Asl ro8 D winner interview BW General Discussion AI Question
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May [ASL21] Ro8 Day 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread OutLive 25 (RTS Game) Daigo vs Menard Best of 10
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1196 users

[grammar] i.e. & e.g.

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 Next All
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-19 08:31:27
October 19 2009 06:21 GMT
#1
Greetings fellow forum users.

I am now going to teach a small lesson in the proper usage of the Latin phrases id est (i.e.) and exempli gratia (e.g.).

id est (i.e.) that is "That is (to say)" in the sense of "that means" and "which means", or "in other words", or sometimes "in this case", depending on the context; may be followed by a comma, or not, depending on style.
He did not answer, i.e., he remained quiet.

exempli gratia (e.g.) 'for the sake of example' or simply 'for example'
...a basketball player (e.g., Allen Iverson, Michael Jordan)

Both reference words synonymous with the preceding statement. Both are always punctuated as shown, sometimes in parentheses. Their usage is quite different and they are oftentimes confused with each other.

Here is the example from a recent post in the general forum that finally pushed me over the edge, i.e., i was thereafter compelled to write this post.

Can i make the background music myself, IE guitar?

Substituting i.e., with "that is to say" we get the following run-on gibberish: "Can i make the background music myself, that is to say guitar."

Here the gentleman's intention is to inquire whether or not his own guitar will be acceptable for producing the required background music. The guitar in question is provided as a possible example to his previous inquiry and so the abbreviation e.g. is more suitable:

"Can i make the background music myself, e.g., with guitar?"

Substituting e.g. with "for example" and adding one word we get a slightly more comprehensible question: "Can i make the background music myself, for example, with guitar?"

These two abbreviations are seldom used in questions, however. The above examples are only used to provide the strict explanation of how the words function in the sentence.
Of course, he should have just written "Can I make the music myself with guitar?"

What follows are some TL/SC themed examples to hopefully illustrate the difference between these two often confused Latin phrases:

"With all the offensive memes being thrown around the SC forum-scene these days, e.g., rickroll, fail, hwaiting,1a2a3a, I'm glad to be in the presence of such proactive and ban-happy moderators, i.e. I love TL mods"

"At the start of the 09/10 Proleague season Zerg was arguably the dominant race with two of its strongest members, e.g., Jaedong and Calm, having won the recent OSL and MSL tournaments respectively.

+ Show Spoiler [trick question] +
both e.g. and i.e. can work here. i had it as i.e. originally but changed it. e.g. is more appropriate since JD and Calm are not the only strong zerg users. e.g. is more correct since i am listing merely listing examples of strong Zerg players and not trying to identify THE definitive strongest two. trick question!

"Certain builds are better or worse depending on your opponent's style and the map, (e.g. 14 Nexus on Python can catch a Terran opponent off-guard if he scouts it too late and is unprepared for a counter) i.e., "the optimal build order" varies from game to game.


"The recent trend of high-level players, e.g., Lzgamer, Ret, and Kawaiirice, broadcasting their live streamed games is a windfall for all noobs who take the time to watch and learn.

"Bobby is not a fan of the high-money BGH style maps, i.e., he only plays Iccup maps on the ladder."



Saddened Izzy
Profile Joined July 2009
United States198 Posts
October 19 2009 06:24 GMT
#2
Just felt i should post here
I don't use AIM/MSN/ etc stop asking...
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
October 19 2009 06:33 GMT
#3
i always mix these up :C

thanks!
HEY MEYT
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
October 19 2009 06:33 GMT
#4
lol Izzy...

I didn't really know how to use these properly tbh.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-19 06:36:07
October 19 2009 06:35 GMT
#5
Hey thanks for that, apparently I've always been using i.e. wrongly. We don't have those two abbreviations in German and I've always assumed i.e. meant in exemplo.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
datscilly
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States529 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-19 06:38:08
October 19 2009 06:37 GMT
#6
This isn't taught in schools that I know of and is usually something picked up unconsciously. I think of them as "as in" and "for example".
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-19 06:48:28
October 19 2009 06:39 GMT
#7
On October 19 2009 15:35 Orome wrote:
Hey thanks for that, apparently I've always been using i.e. wrongly. We don't have those two abbreviations in German and I've always assumed i.e. meant in exemplo.


glad to help. interestingly, i learned the meanings of these as well as the 3rd most often used latin abbreviation from reading translations of German philosophy

videlicet (viz.) "namely", "that is to say", "as follows".


KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
October 19 2009 06:41 GMT
#8
Please do another one of these for your/you're because I notice an embarrassingly large amount of people don't know the difference.
It's better to burn out than to fade away
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
October 19 2009 06:49 GMT
#9
i understand the difference! but remembering which one is which is harder :D but thanks.
caldo149
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States469 Posts
October 19 2009 06:49 GMT
#10
Nice one, i.e. I liked your post and am now 100 percent sure that I am using these abbreviated phrases correctly.
Hellions are my homeboys
pangshai
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Chinatown5333 Posts
October 19 2009 06:56 GMT
#11
On October 19 2009 15:41 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
Please do another one of these for your/you're because I notice an embarrassingly large amount of people don't know the difference.

i see "would of" instead of "would have" so frequently it makes me wanna cry.
#1 midas fan
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-19 07:09:29
October 19 2009 07:02 GMT
#12
For the longest time, I thought 'i.e.' stood for 'In English'. This notion took a very long time to dispel since it barely changes the usage.

It's/its is also bizarre, because normally 'apostrophe s' indicates property, whereas "it's" is a contraction of 'it is', and 'its' is the possessive.

On October 19 2009 15:56 pangshai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2009 15:41 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
Please do another one of these for your/you're because I notice an embarrassingly large amount of people don't know the difference.

i see "would of" instead of "would have" so frequently it makes me wanna cry.

"Would've" is a contraction of 'would have', but is pronounced like 'would of'. Hence the confusion.
My strategy is to fork people.
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
October 19 2009 07:04 GMT
#13
On October 19 2009 15:56 pangshai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2009 15:41 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
Please do another one of these for your/you're because I notice an embarrassingly large amount of people don't know the difference.

i see "would of" instead of "would have" so frequently it makes me wanna cry.


those guys dont know that their gonna go theyre for there lunch break.
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
ThunderGod
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
New Zealand897 Posts
October 19 2009 07:07 GMT
#14
On October 19 2009 15:21 omninmo wrote:


Here is the example from a recent post in the general forum that finally pushed me over the edge, i.e., i was thereafter compelled to write this post.

Show nested quote +
Can i make the background music myself, IE guitar?

Hahaha I read IE as an abbreviation for Internet Explorer and thought it had some kind of guitar app.



On October 19 2009 15:21 omninmo wrote:

"At the start of the 09/10 Proleague season Zerg was arguably the dominant race with two of its strongest members, e.g., Jaedong and Calm, having won the recent OSL and MSL tournaments respectively."
Pretty sure the "e.g." here should be an i.e., i.e., "At the start of the 09/10 Proleague season Zerg was arguably the dominant race with two of its strongest members, i.e., Jaedong and Calm, having won the recent OSL and MSL tournaments respectively."
"Certain forms of popular music nowadays, namely rap and hip hop styles, are just irritating gangsters bragging about their illegal exploits and short-sighted lifestyles." - Shiverfish ~2009
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
October 19 2009 07:07 GMT
#15
On October 19 2009 16:04 29 fps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2009 15:56 pangshai wrote:
On October 19 2009 15:41 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
Please do another one of these for your/you're because I notice an embarrassingly large amount of people don't know the difference.

i see "would of" instead of "would have" so frequently it makes me wanna cry.


those guys dont know that their gonna go theyre for there lunch break.

I see what you did their.
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
TL+ Member
ThunderGod
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
New Zealand897 Posts
October 19 2009 07:08 GMT
#16
On October 19 2009 16:04 29 fps wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2009 15:56 pangshai wrote:
On October 19 2009 15:41 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
Please do another one of these for your/you're because I notice an embarrassingly large amount of people don't know the difference.

i see "would of" instead of "would have" so frequently it makes me wanna cry.


those guys dont know that their gonna go theyre for there lunch break.

Haha my eyes are bleeding now.
"Certain forms of popular music nowadays, namely rap and hip hop styles, are just irritating gangsters bragging about their illegal exploits and short-sighted lifestyles." - Shiverfish ~2009
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
October 19 2009 07:10 GMT
#17
Weird. I remeber my Latin teacher telling us that "e.g." is an abbreviation for "ex gregis", something like "out of the many".
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
October 19 2009 07:11 GMT
#18
oh they are latin phrases? i figured out what they imply from reading experience, but didn't know what they actually stood for
Monokeros
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States2493 Posts
October 19 2009 07:14 GMT
#19
I always thought i.e. meant In Example, but I guess that works.
Keep the Dream Alive twitch.tv/monokerros
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
October 19 2009 07:17 GMT
#20
lol thansk , very informative ! :D:D

oh and i absolutely detest "of" being substituted for " 've " -_-;;;;;;;;
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
13:00
King of the Hill #247
Liquipedia
OSC
11:00
Mid Season Playoffs
WardiTV738
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 886
Hui .380
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 54549
Calm 6034
firebathero 4395
Sea 2649
Bisu 2464
Horang2 754
EffOrt 559
Hyuk 470
Light 449
ggaemo 386
[ Show more ]
Stork 367
BeSt 345
actioN 291
Snow 260
Zeus 222
Rush 188
Soulkey 165
Hyun 139
Soma 133
hero 129
Mind 86
Killer 75
Hm[arnc] 72
Mong 71
Sea.KH 66
Backho 65
Pusan 63
ToSsGirL 62
Aegong 41
PianO 32
sorry 29
Bale 19
soO 19
Terrorterran 14
Sacsri 14
GoRush 14
Rock 13
JulyZerg 13
IntoTheRainbow 12
Shine 12
ajuk12(nOOB) 11
scan(afreeca) 10
Movie 10
Dota 2
Gorgc4262
qojqva1535
XBOCT657
monkeys_forever172
420jenkins161
BananaSlamJamma94
League of Legends
Reynor91
Counter-Strike
byalli489
allub232
markeloff232
Heroes of the Storm
XaKoH 93
Other Games
singsing2000
hiko1567
B2W.Neo1034
Liquid`RaSZi412
Lowko333
Beastyqt265
Mew2King98
ArmadaUGS92
Livibee45
KnowMe15
Organizations
StarCraft 2
IntoTheiNu 214
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 8
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP48
• LUISG 18
• iHatsuTV 11
• poizon28 3
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• TFBlade1300
Other Games
• WagamamaTV292
• Shiphtur87
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
9h 43m
Escore
19h 43m
The PondCast
19h 43m
WardiTV Invitational
20h 43m
Zoun vs Ryung
Lambo vs ShoWTimE
Big Brain Bouts
1d 1h
Fjant vs Bly
Serral vs Shameless
OSC
1d 7h
Replay Cast
1d 9h
CranKy Ducklings
1d 19h
RSL Revival
1d 19h
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
1d 20h
Krystianer vs TriGGeR
Cure vs Rogue
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
BSL
2 days
Artosis vs TerrOr
spx vs StRyKeR
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Cure vs Zoun
Clem vs Lambo
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
BSL
3 days
Dewalt vs DragOn
Aether vs Jimin
GSL
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Soma vs Leta
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
OSC
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Light vs Flash
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-05-05
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W6
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.