EPTOn October 19 2009 15:56 pangshai wrote:
i see "would of" instead of "would have" so frequently it makes me wanna cry.
i see "would of" instead of "would have" so frequently it makes me wanna cry.
Please, someone give examples, i.e. elaborate!
[grammar] i.e. & e.g. - Page 2
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
Please, someone give examples, i.e. elaborate! | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
i guess it's just a homophonic mistake, but i've found it sneaking into college level work | ||
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caldo149
United States469 Posts
On October 19 2009 16:07 ThunderGod wrote: Pretty sure the "e.g." here should be an i.e., i.e., "At the start of the 09/10 Proleague season Zerg was arguably the dominant race with two of its strongest members, i.e., Jaedong and Calm, having won the recent OSL and MSL tournaments respectively." Thundergod, you're wrong here, "i.e." is inappropriate in this circumstance. And omninmo, you're wrong in this case too, you just forced the "e.g." in there unnecessarily. The sentence would be better off without "i.e." or "e.g.": "At the start of the 09/10 Proleague season Zerg was arguably the dominant race with two of its strongest members, Jaedong and Calm, having won the recent OSL and MSL tournaments respectively." | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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omninmo
2349 Posts
On October 19 2009 16:07 ThunderGod wrote: Hahaha I read IE as an abbreviation for Internet Explorer and thought it had some kind of guitar app. Pretty sure the "e.g." here should be an i.e., i.e., "At the start of the 09/10 Proleague season Zerg was arguably the dominant race with two of its strongest members, i.e., Jaedong and Calm, having won the recent OSL and MSL tournaments respectively." actually, you are right. i had it as i.e. originally but changed it. e.g. is more appropriate since JD and Calm are not the only strong zerg users. e.g. is more correct since i am merely listing examples of strong Zerg players and not trying to identify THE definitive strongest two. trick question! | ||
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dka
United States132 Posts
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RaptorX
Germany646 Posts
On October 19 2009 17:53 dka wrote: Thanks for the grammer leson! e.g I learned a lot. no you havent... you meant "i.e. I learned a lot" because you are not making an example of it... ¬¬ anyways kudos to the OP usually a grammar lesson topic is annoying and pedantic but this one was excellent. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
<3 I am pretty terrible at this stuff hehe | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17743 Posts
On October 19 2009 16:17 alffla wrote: lol thansk , very informative ! :D:D oh and i absolutely detest "of" being substituted for " 've " -_-;;;;;;;; Who dares to commit such atrocity?! Personally I also hate when people: 1. Confuse "you're" with "your" 2. Do not use apostrophes in abbreviations such as "I'm", "don't", "I've" etc. And sadly, it's usually native english speakers (yes Americans, I'm looking at you) who do that. | ||
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
On October 19 2009 17:06 omninmo wrote: actually, you are right. i had it as i.e. originally but changed it. i.e. works since JD and Calm ARE two of the strongest members. id est calls attention to this. e.g. is also correct since you are listing examples of strong Zerg players. trick question! You said "two of its strongest members" and then said "for example" and then named both members. That's not really an example, is it? Well, the other interpretation would be that two of the strongest zergs had won the osl and msl, respectively, but instead of specifying which "two of the strongest members", you just gave two examples of "the strongest members". I.e you were saying that two of the strongest zergs won the osl and msl last season, and that two of the strongest zergs are jaedong and calm, but not that those two pairs of zergs are the same. It's hard to explain concisely or effectively, but if you replace the term "e.g" with "for example" it becomes pretty clear to me that that sentence doesn't make any fucking sense. :D I.e seems better at least, but still not quite right to me. I could be wrong. But i'm starting to lose interest in this so i'm just going to go to bed. I just want to say that our second grade teachers who tried to get us to make a big deal out of correct grammar, particularly in casual conversation, even in written form, were all stuck-up bitches, and if you bought their crap so are you. | ||
Insane
United States4991 Posts
Nearly everyone lacks an understanding of when one is appropriate it seems  With regards to the ""At the start of the 09/10 Proleague season Zerg was arguably the dominant race with two of its strongest members, e.g., Jaedong and Calm, having won the recent OSL and MSL tournaments respectively." " i.e. vs e.g. debate, the sentence reads much better without either e.g. or i.e. there. e: I see caldo already said this  | ||
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Railxp
Hong Kong1313 Posts
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Polyphasic
United States841 Posts
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Schnake
Germany2819 Posts
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omninmo
2349 Posts
On October 19 2009 18:10 HnR)Insane wrote: I learnt it personally in latin, but I don't think anyone in english class ever really dealt with it. Nearly everyone lacks an understanding of when one is appropriate it seems With regards to the ""At the start of the 09/10 Proleague season Zerg was arguably the dominant race with two of its strongest members, e.g., Jaedong and Calm, having won the recent OSL and MSL tournaments respectively." " i.e. vs e.g. debate, the sentence reads much better without either e.g. or i.e. there. e: I see caldo already said this I agree. Actually, most of the time these abbreviations can be omitted with proper word choice and punctuation. I was offering the above as a strict but nonetheless correct example. On second thought; however, I feel that if any Latin abbreviation is used here it should be viz. At the start of the 09/10 Proleague season Zerg was arguably the dominant race with two of its strongest members, viz., Jaedong and Calm, having won the recent OSL and MSL tournaments respectively. viz. is short for videlicet which means "namely". | ||
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ThunderGod
New Zealand897 Posts
I find sentences with no capatilisation to be particularly annoying. jk :p What's actually annoying is seeing 'z' in every second word. | ||
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
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Navane
Netherlands2751 Posts
"At the start of the 09/10 Proleague season Zerg was arguably the dominant race with two of its strongest members, e.g., Jaedong and Calm, having won the recent OSL and MSL tournaments respectively. " I would remove the e.g. altogether in this sentence. i.e. is possible, but e.g... how can you first say "two of its strongest members" and then "for example JD & calm". That is not an example, those ARE the strongest members of the race. Therefore, "in other words JD & Calm". I think maybe you meant "two of the strongest members" like this: "there is a group of strongest members which has > 2 members. JD and Calm belong in this group. Along with some other zergs." While I read it like this: "There is a group zerg which has more > 2 members. Both the strongest and 2nd strongest members belong to a subgroup which contains 2 members. JD and Calm belong to that subgroup, too." | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
In any case, the example that "pushed you over the edge" is nitpicking at best. "Can I make the background music myself, that is, guitar" makes perfect sense to me--"i.e. guitar" referring to "the background music". (Of course I'm not seeing it in context.) | ||
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