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Manifesto7
Osaka27139 Posts
1. What do you think about SC related donation threads? Should only certain events be acceptable? 2. What about non-SC donation threads? 3. How can organizers be held accountable? 4. What should happen in the case of a surplus, or in the case where a drive falls short? 5. Any other comments? We would appreciate any input. | ||
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Carthac
United States393 Posts
I would first take a poll, and try to get an idea of the willing participants, considering a large percentage of us, including myself, are poor college students :p If possible, have teamliquid deal with the purchase, such as the purchase of a plane ticket to send a player to an event, and simply mail the person the ticket beforehand. I would cap the amount of donations accepted to avoid surpluses. My 2centses | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
I think that donation threads should be handled on a case by case basis with admin approval only. If people don't clear the idea with admins before posting the thread, I'd want to see the thread closed, possibly even with a temp ban instituted. My logic behind this is that in general I don't think that donation threads are acceptable. It's a cheap for people to try to make a killing off the community by using a service not of their own to reach out to thousands of people and the community has no guarantees about what it is the individual in question is asking to have a donation for. For example, I could say I represent a certain charity and give some sort of sob story, but no one has any guarantees unless someone can verify this (and I should have to send some sort of verification to the admins, since they are the people in the best position to judge). That said, if something comes along worthy of donation, I don't want it auto-blocked. By the way, if someone fakes a charity or something like that, I think an IP ban is more than appropriate. | ||
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
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geegee1
United States618 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
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jambonkingcool
Canada186 Posts
About non-sc donations.. I think it's still acceptable, as I said, everyone is free to do whatever they want with their money. What wouldn't be acceptable though, in my opinion, would be to cry or call injustice if someone has been scammed through some fund raising stuff via this site. I don't say it's acceptable to scam people, but I think it's people's responsibility to make sure they're donating money to the right people. We are on teamliquid.net after all, Starcraft Pro Gaming News, and not on an official fund raising site for any legit organism. Concerning the surplus or lack of money, I think that might be the real issue. Maybe it would be good to clear things up before raising and funds, like to plan some sort of refund, or to tell what the surplus will be used for, etc. All in all, if you want to avoid trouble, I think you shouldn't allow those kind of threads here. I think people can organize that kind of stuff on their pages, like a clan site, facebook and such. People could still benefit from teamliquid.net's visibility by blogging about their fund raise, without involving the site in their project. | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
2. What about non-SC donation threads? 3. How can organizers be held accountable? 4. What should happen in the case of a surplus, or in the case where a drive falls short? 5. Any other comments? 1. I think it should be done upon a case by case basis. Also any donation threads should require prior moderator approval and also submission via PM instead of just an op created before the mods have had a chance to discuss the topic. 2. If it's for charity then I don't see why not. I think it might be nice for TL to find ways to donate to worthy causes during certain periods of the year like Christmas. Such as merchandise auctions or other creative drives that promote a greater sense of community and do something actively positive. 3. Would it be possible to create a TL paypal? So no funds are routed through the bank accounts or paypal accounts of non-staff members? That way people can feel safer donating because they know that it is a trusted member of the community receiving their money and not some random who could swan off with it. I'm not sure how this would work specifically, but it could put peoples' minds at rest and avoid any un-necessary drama. 4. Careful checking towards the end of the project to make sure no one accepts any extra donations over the limit necessary. This could be done by taking donations through paypal and capping the amount to a rounded number such as $5 or $10 so no one gives any random bits of change that would throw off the total amount in the end. If it falls short then added promotion would probably help. 5. Not really  People have asked me before about taking donations towards my expenses for eSports photography and I want to state that I'm happy people would ask, but I will never take donations because I don't think it's fair when I'm capable of using my own money. I am tempted to do some kind of charity event in the future myself using my resources over here so a clear stance from TL would be really helpful in making those decisions. | ||
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tirentu
Canada1257 Posts
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GOB
50 Posts
My personal opinion, as someone relatively disconnected from this scene, is that for someone looking to participate in tournaments or events that are held in locations to whom travel is prohibitively expensive, this site could be one of the very few resources to make it possible. Having moderators screen "donation thread" applications is probably the most sound way of keeping the whole process honest and reasonable, as well as making sure there are no random beggars trying to abuse the charity, but it also means more work for mods. Another idea that I like is to have the recipients of the charity pledge some or all of their winnings toward a community event, as a means of "repayment". Should a drive fall short, the recipient of the funds should be willing to refund all donations. It's tedious work, for sure, but it should be a cost of activating the charity machine. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10366 Posts
Anything that's not for charity or SC related should not be allowed Anything not for charity but is SC related like sending someone to a LAN should be admin decision, but I think this is generally an okay thing as long as it doesn't become excessive. I'd rather see people give their money to a better cause but meh.. I don't think TL should become too involved publicly. I think in most cases donations will reflect the worthiness of the cause and the reputation of the person in the community that makes the thread. Using TL's image puts liability on the site and it makes a request seem more legitimate just because TL is involved with it. Like I said, a person's contributions and good reptuation in the SC community should be the driving factor for donations, not an endorsement from TL, which is what it seems like if TL gets involved in collecting/distributing donations. | ||
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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
2. Non-SC donation threads should not be allowed, as this site is not a place to come whenever you want to raise some money. There should still be exceptions to very dire/charitable causes. 3. Simply closing the thread if it's non-SC related should be fine. 4. In case of surplus (There shouldn't be because the OP should be updated quite often), the surplus money should be spent towards the SC community, and in case the drive falls short, they should refund the money. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On October 19 2009 12:01 da_head wrote: +1 to admin choice. | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
I think this is the main issue here. Although nothing is fool-proof, my experience with other management work I have done is that it should be done in the following way: To create a donation thread, it has to be first sent to at least two mods for inspection. If the thread deems "reasonable" (in common sense), it can be posted. Now, obviously the mods are not FBIs it is not fool-proof as I mentioned, but it will deter opportunitists a little. On the other hand, I do not think donations should be handled through TL. The problem is that should anything fail, TL will be held accountable for whatever screwed up reason that may arise. | ||
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lighter
United States152 Posts
fine with anything as long as it has some impact on the community. sending a well known foreigner to wcg is cool. paying for the cab fair to a lan is not. 2. What about non-SC donation threads? i think that the community can decide this for themselves. nobody is going to donate to a cause they dont think is worthy. 3. How can organizers be held accountable? how can they be? this is the internet: not like they can be thrown in jail. on that note, i would feel pretty comfortable donating to a VERY well respected member of the community, and nobody else. 4. What should happen in the case of a surplus, or in the case where a drive falls short? falls short: im not sure. is there an easy way to simply refund all of the money to the original payers via paypal? if so, then that would be the best solution. surplus: admins should decide what to do with the money, but it ultimately needs to be something that benefits TL, or the community in general. maybe put it aside for a tourney? | ||
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Crunchums
United States11143 Posts
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RaGe
Belgium9947 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
2. Most cases is probably a nono but I can definitely see it being fine in some others too. 3. That's a difficult question. Even if TL handles the funds at some point we would still need to hand them over. This will go mostly based on trust. 4. Surplus the transfers that cause the surplus should be refunded, shortage all should be refunded. Here's my comment from staff discussion. I think it's awesome guys are making their ways to WCG's with the support of the community. None of the community pay any money to follow the sport they love, this really is not so bad. If there's too many of them they will lose their effect but so far I have only seen ones that are nice. Louder/Poland WCG. Why would you NOT like them. The players get an awesome trip to showcase their skills, the community shows they care and help guys they like out. Isn't it win-win. Personally I think it is amazing that with the help of TL these guys got sent to all these places. | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
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LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
On October 19 2009 10:38 Manifesto7 wrote: 1. What do you think about SC related donation threads? Should only certain events be acceptable? 2. What about non-SC donation threads? 3. How can organizers be held accountable? 4. What should happen in the case of a surplus, or in the case where a drive falls short? 5. Any other comments? We would appreciate any input. 1. I think it's okay but I also realize that if you allow this it could open up the floodgates. I think in the event of Draco/Yayba it was acceptable but only because if we help them we are basically helping ourselves. We were strengthening the community in a sense. WCG is OUR tournament and if these countries can't get more paid spots I think it's great that we were able to help. It's a shame though that Canada or some other country didn't have a spot that we could have helped pay for. Everybody is in consensus that it's a travesty that a lot of countries didn't participate. In Gretorp's case I think it was the opposite. We wouldn't be helping the community very much to help pay for his ticket to IEF. Same goes for Louder (BTW I love Louder which is why I offered to donate). In these situations I think it might have been better just to ask friends/family and not the entire website. I agree that TL is not supposed to be an army that is used to benefit a SINGLE person's goals. Internet work does not translate well into an actual monetary value so let's just avoid the whole "BUT ILL PAY EVERBODY BACK" argument. 2. Sadly I think this is entirely dependent on the situation. Let's say that Artanis' house burned to the ground and he has been left with nothing but his computer and internet connection. If he asked for donations for that then I would be entirely okay with that. But let's say that some random user (let's call him ssj_goku_boxer_dbz) needs gas money to drive to Mexico. TL wouldn't allow that. So I really think we should never allow non-SC donation threads just for the sake of fairness. Once again TL is NOT some personal army. edit: sadly this has taken longer to write than I thought and I will continue after I get off work, lol... | ||
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Duke
United States1106 Posts
On October 19 2009 10:38 Manifesto7 wrote: Recently there have been a couple threads opened asking for donations to send players to various events. Because there is now a precedent, the TL staff is wondering what stance to take about these threads. The best way to determine policy is to poll the user base, so what do you think about these issues? 1. What do you think about SC related donation threads? Should only certain events be acceptable? 2. What about non-SC donation threads? 3. How can organizers be held accountable? 4. What should happen in the case of a surplus, or in the case where a drive falls short? 5. Any other comments? We would appreciate any input. 1) Concerning SC donation threads, they should be allowed to an extent as long as there are people willing to donate. Mods using their discretion on what is allowed would work best. The staff is well-capable and has earned mountains of trust. 3)I am concerned about losing track of money and the accountability questions, though(unless TL would hold the funds? Not sure if likely, it's a lot of work). Are there any sites devoted to tracking donation causes that could help with this? 4) I'm not sure what should happen in a surplus, but in the case of a drive that falls short a full refund is the best option no matter how difficult. It's simply fair to the people that donated for the cause. 2) Blog only + mod discretion 5) My dog is sleep-growling :o | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
On October 19 2009 10:38 Manifesto7 wrote: Recently there have been a couple threads opened asking for donations to send players to various events. Because there is now a precedent, the TL staff is wondering what stance to take about these threads. The best way to determine policy is to poll the user base, so what do you think about these issues? 1. What do you think about SC related donation threads? Should only certain events be acceptable? 2. What about non-SC donation threads? 3. How can organizers be held accountable? 4. What should happen in the case of a surplus, or in the case where a drive falls short? 5. Any other comments? We would appreciate any input. 1) Generally case-by-case, I think TL admins have, in the past, been fairly competent in deciding what is/is not relevant. Sending top foreigners off to compete in tournaments is something I'm always willing to support and think that as a community we should show support in this area. 2) Not really... I can't really think of a case where non-SC events would be donation worthy from this community 3) Held accountable? Hmmm... tougher. I think that in the future some sort of TL moderating donation system would be best, like TL arranging the purchase of plane tickets and things, to make sure that the money is going to the proper use... However it's also difficult and requires quite a bit of manpower to get right. In the short run, the person asking for donations should provide proof of the major costs. 4) Surplus/ Deficit should be refunded | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
I guess maybe setting up a TL donation account would be the best method for it, then people wouldn't be anonymously donating to random PayPals, and TL could moderate at the end to make sure it wasn't a fake cause...I dunno it seems like a lot of work but some of the best threads on TL have been ones where the community has leapt to the support of a member, and it would seem a shame to ban that from happening again  | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 25 2009 20:58 LordWeird wrote: Coincides with my views almost perfectly.1. I think it's okay but I also realize that if you allow this it could open up the floodgates. I think in the event of Draco/Yayba it was acceptable but only because if we help them we are basically helping ourselves. We were strengthening the community in a sense. WCG is OUR tournament and if these countries can't get more paid spots I think it's great that we were able to help. It's a shame though that Canada or some other country didn't have a spot that we could have helped pay for. Everybody is in consensus that it's a travesty that a lot of countries didn't participate. In Gretorp's case I think it was the opposite. We wouldn't be helping the community very much to help pay for his ticket to IEF. Same goes for Louder (BTW I love Louder which is why I offered to donate). In these situations I think it might have been better just to ask friends/family and not the entire website. I agree that TL is not supposed to be an army that is used to benefit a SINGLE person's goals. Internet work does not translate well into an actual monetary value so let's just avoid the whole "BUT ILL PAY EVERBODY BACK" argument. 2. Sadly I think this is entirely dependent on the situation. Let's say that Artanis' house burned to the ground and he has been left with nothing but his computer and internet connection. If he asked for donations for that then I would be entirely okay with that. But let's say that some random user (let's call him ssj_goku_boxer_dbz) needs gas money to drive to Mexico. TL wouldn't allow that. So I really think we should never allow non-SC donation threads just for the sake of fairness. Once again TL is NOT some personal army. edit: sadly this has taken longer to write than I thought and I will continue after I get off work, lol... | ||
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Aresien
United Kingdom305 Posts
2. What about non-SC donation threads? 3. How can organizers be held accountable? 4. What should happen in the case of a surplus, or in the case where a drive falls short? 5. Any other comments? 1. SC donation threads should be allowed (under prior admin approval) if the person is a well respected member of the community. Obviously though the request can't be too silly and we should see some benefit for our donations (which is why only high level major tournies should be applicable). 2. Not a fan of this but maybe in some very special cases yes, would again need prior admin approval (perhaps even a vote between admins). 3. This is more tricky of course. Generally we're going to have to trust the people we're donating to (such as Gretorp or Louder) and not give it to some random guy no one has ever heard of before who claims he's A+ and the next Jaedong. NeverGG's idea of a TL paypal is great but I have no idea how much of a workload this would be for the admins (and it would be unfair to ask it of them if it is a large one). 4. This is again problematic. The issue with returning money to everyone is it's a massive amount of work, however it's also the only fair thing to do. What i'd suggest is maybe put in the donation agreement something like this: You are agreeing to donate "X" to the send "person" to WCG cause. In the event of surplus or falling short your money will instead go towards a "TL starcraft invitational tournament". This again brings problems because it would mean people are somewhat forced to donate money to a cause they may not agree with if their money is surplus or the money in total falls short (however a starcraft tourny should generally go down well). I guess in the end the issue of surplus/falling short is a bit complicated and maybe a poll should be run in the thread before donations are taken to decide what is done with it the extra. 5. Donations to send top foreigners to major events is a good idea but shouldn't be abused. We can't let teams think, well try the community first then if we don't raise enough/anything we will pay. This is for those that don't have any other options financially, not for those who don't want it have to come out of their pocket. | ||
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timmeh
Austria177 Posts
A donation can entail a code which identifies what the donation is for and can thus be allocated to the correct "fund". Obviously proper book-keeping is necessary for this. 3) (Open?) Book-keeping + some kind of mechanism - which I haven't thought of yes - which basically motivates the organizer/handler to do his job in a proper and trustworthy manner. Obviously this should be done by at least 2 individuals but I think no more than 3. Disclosure and Proof of real identity and location/address of handlers. 4) Surplus should be voted on by TL community IN RESPECT to event schedule (i.e. there's some big event in 3 weeks, so maybe using the surplus on a TL event may not be the preferred choice because the community may actaully want to send someone who does not have sufficient funds to that event). 5) Proper handling of "Donation Applications/Request" which can obviously entail endless criteria. | ||
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5ukkub
Poland507 Posts
Raising funds for Yayba/Draco surely melted the ice and it seems that everything is going in good direction. Now about the dillemmas: I will explain you how it was all held in Poland with WCG donation for Yayba/Draco. Firstly, Raven posted a poll on his site to see if the fund raising would be ever possible and if the community would donate enough. After recieving approval by the community, the fund raising was started. So IMO before even starting any fund raising, there should be a poll to see if the community would approve donation/how much donate. This should get rid of the situation, when not enough money is donated. The admins would also avoid flaming for not posting the donation thread. The administration of donation itself is a bigger case. IMO the law issues must be checked first if TL would want held the responsibility of that kind. If we have a lawyer here, plz lighten us a bit  About the surplus, IF it would be possible (see above) there should be some sort of account for such money and the community should decide how it will be spent. (poll again^^ democracy solves it pretty good). To sum it up, POWAH OF THE COMMUNITY!! | ||
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
On the other hand I think it is nice to see people be supported and do well in SC. And when a donation works out, lots of people will be happy. That is why I wouldn't like to see fund raisers banned from TL. I think that the ad-hoc fund raising will lead to scams in the future and that is why I would want to propose a more eleborate system (in spoilers so as not to mess with the original goal of the thread too much). + Show Spoiler + I would like to see a system that is based on TL's community with a form of accountability. There is also the issue with donation surplus or a failed fund raiser. A TL centric fund could solve these issues. It would require a public bookkeeping and donations to the fund would be permanent. At all times, people can view the amount of money in the fund and all donations and withdrawals. People who claim that their donation does not show up on the site can make a stink about it. Withdrawels should be voted upon by all who have made a donation, with a voting deadline, by means of a simple TL thread perhaps. The only way to scam then becomes more difficult as you have to fool the community, instead of individuals. There are lots of hairy details in this story of course, mostly in the sense that a single person will still be sitting on the money, but I'm tossing this up as a brainstorm. Oh, and I don't think non-sc fund raisers should be something for this forum. Edit: Actually it is really simple. If someone passes the TL-Bonjwa test for fund raising then they have a case, provided there's an SC worthy goal. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On October 25 2009 22:21 Rekrul wrote: only known and trusted community members should be allowed to do it and only for SC related things. This. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On October 19 2009 11:20 NeverGG wrote: 1. What do you think about SC related donation threads? Should only certain events be acceptable? 2. What about non-SC donation threads? 3. How can organizers be held accountable? 4. What should happen in the case of a surplus, or in the case where a drive falls short? 5. Any other comments? 1. I think it should be done upon a case by case basis. Also any donation threads should require prior moderator approval and also submission via PM instead of just an op created before the mods have had a chance to discuss the topic. 2. If it's for charity then I don't see why not. I think it might be nice for TL to find ways to donate to worthy causes during certain periods of the year like Christmas. Such as merchandise auctions or other creative drives that promote a greater sense of community and do something actively positive. 3. Would it be possible to create a TL paypal? So no funds are routed through the bank accounts or paypal accounts of non-staff members? That way people can feel safer donating because they know that it is a trusted member of the community receiving their money and not some random who could swan off with it. I'm not sure how this would work specifically, but it could put peoples' minds at rest and avoid any un-necessary drama. 4. Careful checking towards the end of the project to make sure no one accepts any extra donations over the limit necessary. This could be done by taking donations through paypal and capping the amount to a rounded number such as $5 or $10 so no one gives any random bits of change that would throw off the total amount in the end. If it falls short then added promotion would probably help. 5. Not really People have asked me before about taking donations towards my expenses for eSports photography and I want to state that I'm happy people would ask, but I will never take donations because I don't think it's fair when I'm capable of using my own money. I am tempted to do some kind of charity event in the future myself using my resources over here so a clear stance from TL would be really helpful in making those decisions. I agree, especially on point 1 | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On October 19 2009 10:38 Manifesto7 wrote: 1. What do you think about SC related donation threads? Should only certain events be acceptable? 2. What about non-SC donation threads? 3. How can organizers be held accountable? 4. What should happen in the case of a surplus, or in the case where a drive falls short? 5. Any other comments? 1. I'm wary of them, but in the case in Poland which really kicked this off, that seemed acceptable. If someone qualifies for something, and then funding is withdrawn, or something unexpected occurs which leaves them unable to pay for a tournament, then this should be allowed. The key, I think is that you can't agree to go to a bunch of tournaments, and then ask for money from the community to fund your travels. The community can be there to bail you out, but if you're asking for money, it should be the only way, the last resort. Don't plan on it. 2. This is a starcraft forum, no. 3. If these things were handled on a case-by-case basis, as most people seem to think is best, then we should be able to trust the organizers. Untrustworthy organizers shouldn't be a problem. There really isn't a way to hold them accountable. 4. Money should be returned if it falls short, surplus money should go to a charity that is picked as the result of a vote. 5. Kudos on moving to get a handle on this so quickly. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
As such, it seems like a weird influx of threads. But obviously this is a once in a year thing. Getting donations for IEF for example is fine. If a player says something along the lines of "hey can you help donate so I can go to a random local LAN" that's crossing the line of what is acceptable. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
I do think the donation threads should be moderated just like anything else as zulu said but also reserved for faily substantial people in the community. THis isn't another elitist perk but rather it saves us from some 15 post random coming in and asking for money.. this can also be attributed to the trust factor. If I ask for money there is far more of a chance I will actually do / use it for what I say i will because otherwise I am alienated from a community I have been a part of for years. | ||
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Aresien
United Kingdom305 Posts
On October 26 2009 03:45 {88}iNcontroL wrote: If I ask for money there is far more of a chance I will actually do / use it for what I say i will because otherwise I am alienated from a community I have been a part of for years. Yeah agree with iNc 100% here. If it's a recognizable name you can feel a lot more confident that it's going to what they say it is otherwise said person will be ostracized from the community. | ||
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piratebay
United States399 Posts
charity for ppl in need, but isnt there better places for that kind of thing? redcross, unicef etc etc but for any other non sc stuff, no donations all extra/shortages should be refunded i still think its kind of lame. with the draco situation, if he really wanted to go, he should at least match some of the donations that people were putting in. its like nevergg, she COULD take donations with her photography works, but she doesnt due to the fact that she is able to pay for at least some/most of it. its an honorable/ethical thing. dont expect a free ride through this community | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
2. No. This is a Starcraft community. 3. A common account for TL's donation sounds good to me. 4. If there's a surplus, well I don't think it matters to the donors because it's donation anyway. TL can just hold on to the money to organize some event every now and then. If there's a shortage, maybe a refund would be appropriate. 5. None. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On October 26 2009 03:52 piratebay wrote: admin submission/ approval for asking for donations charity for ppl in need, but isnt there better places for that kind of thing? redcross, unicef etc etc but for any other non sc stuff, no donations all extra/shortages should be refunded i still think its kind of lame. with the draco situation, if he really wanted to go, he should at least match some of the donations that people were putting in. its like nevergg, she COULD take donations with her photography works, but she doesnt due to the fact that she is able to pay for at least some/most of it. its an honorable/ethical thing. dont expect a free ride through this community This combined with your username is pretty funny It costs money to go to a lan dude. Food, housing, travel expenses like cabs etc.. and time away from work/school w/e. Asking for donations to make it more affordable for a player like Draco who is literally legendary and has had a following for years isn't what you think it is. It is a "well I'd like to do X, cannot on my own.. and I want to know if people would help make X happen." It isn't "yo gimme money for X, kthxbai" SCBW is a fairly thankless "sport" that some of us take very serious.. if we can reduce the sacrifice it helps everyone out not just the specific player to get them there playing. | ||
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Probe.
United States877 Posts
1. If it is rare and not overused. 2. If the person we are donating for is derserving and there is a good cause. 3. If the person we are donating for asks, it's only because he/she tried everything else already (asking family for money, getting job etc.) and still doesn't have enough money. If you come to the communit asking for money at least prove that you tried to raise money on your own and still couldn't get enough. Don't ask TL for the entire funds that you need. And also people shouldn't try to justify free money with previous commnunity work for money. If they've done alot of work for the community people would know already and probably donate. | ||
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User11
Canada481 Posts
i think its a great thing regardless of the reason. im sure a more notable player will receive more then a less notable person. it should be up to the person whos donatiing to decide if its for a good cause and if it will benifit the person or community. as more and more donation theads pop up we can expect that most of them wont reach there goal , purely from the optimism. as probe stated in the previous post a new thread opend and asking for donations should be created in the format as andres. he stated all his reasons , his situation , and what can benifit the community if he reaches his goal of donations. im sure in the future we will be approached by a similiar thread with half as much dedication and effort and asking for twice as much. in the end its still up to tl.net and its community to accept the request to ask for donations. | ||
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biomedical
235 Posts
b) it is o/c massively beneficial for a well known person to be in control of the money. however "well known" people have been known to run off with money in the past, so i would still be wary!!! you dont know whats happening in someones personal life. what im saying here (again) is some people might be more trusting of giving money directly to , say, ret, rather than to some TL.net mod in the hope that it ends up with ret c) as the guy above me said "it should be up to the person whos donatiing to decide if its for a good cause and if it will benifit the person or community". who cares if this is primarily a starcraft website. only a few elites (how many users are there here did you say????) | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
2. You mean charity? Always good unless it's a retarded one like that games for american kids thing, ugh. 3. The person in question needs to post his bankacc # or paypal or whatever and it needs to be confirmed. I don't trust any middle man from the internet and neither should you. And even if you pay some dude and he spends it all on weed it's still your own damn fault. 4. If it falls short send everything back, in case of a surplus donate it to unicef/other worthy cause. 5. Keep it fair please, there's no objective measure to these things so if you're gonna allow them about player X, allow player Y as well. If there's no interest it will die by itself soon enough. | ||
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Ranix
United States666 Posts
People should be allowed to post for donations for whatever reason, and if it is worthy enough people might send the person some money. If it is for a silly reason like sending a D+ terran money for a cab fare to a LAN (as mentioned earlier), people will not donate as they will feel it is not worthy enough. The user base will be able to sort out what is worth donating and what isn't worth donating too. | ||
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Dknight
United States5223 Posts
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