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Osaka27139 Posts
1. What do you think about SC related donation threads? Should only certain events be acceptable? 2. What about non-SC donation threads? 3. How can organizers be held accountable? 4. What should happen in the case of a surplus, or in the case where a drive falls short? 5. Any other comments? We would appreciate any input. | ||
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Carthac
United States393 Posts
I would first take a poll, and try to get an idea of the willing participants, considering a large percentage of us, including myself, are poor college students :p If possible, have teamliquid deal with the purchase, such as the purchase of a plane ticket to send a player to an event, and simply mail the person the ticket beforehand. I would cap the amount of donations accepted to avoid surpluses. My 2centses | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
I think that donation threads should be handled on a case by case basis with admin approval only. If people don't clear the idea with admins before posting the thread, I'd want to see the thread closed, possibly even with a temp ban instituted. My logic behind this is that in general I don't think that donation threads are acceptable. It's a cheap for people to try to make a killing off the community by using a service not of their own to reach out to thousands of people and the community has no guarantees about what it is the individual in question is asking to have a donation for. For example, I could say I represent a certain charity and give some sort of sob story, but no one has any guarantees unless someone can verify this (and I should have to send some sort of verification to the admins, since they are the people in the best position to judge). That said, if something comes along worthy of donation, I don't want it auto-blocked. By the way, if someone fakes a charity or something like that, I think an IP ban is more than appropriate. | ||
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Lumi
United States1612 Posts
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geegee1
United States618 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
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jambonkingcool
Canada186 Posts
About non-sc donations.. I think it's still acceptable, as I said, everyone is free to do whatever they want with their money. What wouldn't be acceptable though, in my opinion, would be to cry or call injustice if someone has been scammed through some fund raising stuff via this site. I don't say it's acceptable to scam people, but I think it's people's responsibility to make sure they're donating money to the right people. We are on teamliquid.net after all, Starcraft Pro Gaming News, and not on an official fund raising site for any legit organism. Concerning the surplus or lack of money, I think that might be the real issue. Maybe it would be good to clear things up before raising and funds, like to plan some sort of refund, or to tell what the surplus will be used for, etc. All in all, if you want to avoid trouble, I think you shouldn't allow those kind of threads here. I think people can organize that kind of stuff on their pages, like a clan site, facebook and such. People could still benefit from teamliquid.net's visibility by blogging about their fund raise, without involving the site in their project. | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
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IntoTheWow
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
2. What about non-SC donation threads? 3. How can organizers be held accountable? 4. What should happen in the case of a surplus, or in the case where a drive falls short? 5. Any other comments? 1. I think it should be done upon a case by case basis. Also any donation threads should require prior moderator approval and also submission via PM instead of just an op created before the mods have had a chance to discuss the topic. 2. If it's for charity then I don't see why not. I think it might be nice for TL to find ways to donate to worthy causes during certain periods of the year like Christmas. Such as merchandise auctions or other creative drives that promote a greater sense of community and do something actively positive. 3. Would it be possible to create a TL paypal? So no funds are routed through the bank accounts or paypal accounts of non-staff members? That way people can feel safer donating because they know that it is a trusted member of the community receiving their money and not some random who could swan off with it. I'm not sure how this would work specifically, but it could put peoples' minds at rest and avoid any un-necessary drama. 4. Careful checking towards the end of the project to make sure no one accepts any extra donations over the limit necessary. This could be done by taking donations through paypal and capping the amount to a rounded number such as $5 or $10 so no one gives any random bits of change that would throw off the total amount in the end. If it falls short then added promotion would probably help. 5. Not really  People have asked me before about taking donations towards my expenses for eSports photography and I want to state that I'm happy people would ask, but I will never take donations because I don't think it's fair when I'm capable of using my own money. I am tempted to do some kind of charity event in the future myself using my resources over here so a clear stance from TL would be really helpful in making those decisions. | ||
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tirentu
Canada1257 Posts
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GOB
50 Posts
My personal opinion, as someone relatively disconnected from this scene, is that for someone looking to participate in tournaments or events that are held in locations to whom travel is prohibitively expensive, this site could be one of the very few resources to make it possible. Having moderators screen "donation thread" applications is probably the most sound way of keeping the whole process honest and reasonable, as well as making sure there are no random beggars trying to abuse the charity, but it also means more work for mods. Another idea that I like is to have the recipients of the charity pledge some or all of their winnings toward a community event, as a means of "repayment". Should a drive fall short, the recipient of the funds should be willing to refund all donations. It's tedious work, for sure, but it should be a cost of activating the charity machine. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10366 Posts
Anything that's not for charity or SC related should not be allowed Anything not for charity but is SC related like sending someone to a LAN should be admin decision, but I think this is generally an okay thing as long as it doesn't become excessive. I'd rather see people give their money to a better cause but meh.. I don't think TL should become too involved publicly. I think in most cases donations will reflect the worthiness of the cause and the reputation of the person in the community that makes the thread. Using TL's image puts liability on the site and it makes a request seem more legitimate just because TL is involved with it. Like I said, a person's contributions and good reptuation in the SC community should be the driving factor for donations, not an endorsement from TL, which is what it seems like if TL gets involved in collecting/distributing donations. | ||
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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
2. Non-SC donation threads should not be allowed, as this site is not a place to come whenever you want to raise some money. There should still be exceptions to very dire/charitable causes. 3. Simply closing the thread if it's non-SC related should be fine. 4. In case of surplus (There shouldn't be because the OP should be updated quite often), the surplus money should be spent towards the SC community, and in case the drive falls short, they should refund the money. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On October 19 2009 12:01 da_head wrote: +1 to admin choice. | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
I think this is the main issue here. Although nothing is fool-proof, my experience with other management work I have done is that it should be done in the following way: To create a donation thread, it has to be first sent to at least two mods for inspection. If the thread deems "reasonable" (in common sense), it can be posted. Now, obviously the mods are not FBIs it is not fool-proof as I mentioned, but it will deter opportunitists a little. On the other hand, I do not think donations should be handled through TL. The problem is that should anything fail, TL will be held accountable for whatever screwed up reason that may arise. | ||
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lighter
United States152 Posts
fine with anything as long as it has some impact on the community. sending a well known foreigner to wcg is cool. paying for the cab fair to a lan is not. 2. What about non-SC donation threads? i think that the community can decide this for themselves. nobody is going to donate to a cause they dont think is worthy. 3. How can organizers be held accountable? how can they be? this is the internet: not like they can be thrown in jail. on that note, i would feel pretty comfortable donating to a VERY well respected member of the community, and nobody else. 4. What should happen in the case of a surplus, or in the case where a drive falls short? falls short: im not sure. is there an easy way to simply refund all of the money to the original payers via paypal? if so, then that would be the best solution. surplus: admins should decide what to do with the money, but it ultimately needs to be something that benefits TL, or the community in general. maybe put it aside for a tourney? | ||
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Crunchums
United States11143 Posts
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RaGe
Belgium9947 Posts
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