Obama's Healthcare Speech - Page 3

On September 10 2009 10:40 Grommit wrote:
This thread will not be any fun until Aegraen shows up.

Aegraen was just temp banned for 30 days by Manifesto7.

That account was created on 2009-05-07 23:29:31 and had 1188 posts.

Reason: Perhaps you think that people on a VIDEO GAME FORUM are not well rounded enough to talk about things like body building. Perhaps you and your condescending attitude should find a place more suited to your interests.

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On September 10 2009 10:12 Mystlord wrote:

Pretty much. I like this speech, but it fails to address the fundamental problems of our heatlh care system. It's like putting a bigger and bigger band-aid over a slowly growing wound.

On September 10 2009 10:46 ultramagnetics wrote:
Anyone have a link to other parts of the video. All I can find on youtube/googlevideo is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkNK_ce19V8

..but this is only the first part... a live stream doesn't help if you missed the beginning already.

On September 10 2009 10:20 Last Romantic wrote:
Haha I love how Obama says 'we need to pass this' for about 3, 4 months without giving any details

and now when he's supposed to be 'giving details' they're vague and not particularly helpful.

I find Obama a charismatic and intelligent individual, but this whole healthcare thing is a morass of idiocy.

On September 10 2009 10:51 s_side wrote:


My main issue with Obama is the scare tactics. The way he pushed the "stimulus" bill through was waaaaaaay too reminiscent of the Bush adminstration's actions surrounding the Patriot Act. It was a disgusting display of fear-mongering and, ironically (considering Obama sold himself as a champion of transparency), opacity.

The same thing is happening with the craze surrounding health care reform. Obama and his cohorts in congress are decrying Republican nonsense such as "death panels" (which I believe they should), but they are just as guilty of using fear and, as Democratic politicians have for a few decades now, condescension to push their agenda.

On September 10 2009 10:51 s_side wrote:


My main issue with Obama is the scare tactics. The way he pushed the "stimulus" bill through was waaaaaaay too reminiscent of the Bush adminstration's actions surrounding the Patriot Act. It was a disgusting display of fear-mongering and, ironically (considering Obama sold himself as a champion of transparency), opacity.

The same thing is happening with the craze surrounding health care reform. Obama and his cohorts in congress are decrying Republican nonsense such as "death panels" (which I believe they should), but they are just as guilty of using fear and, as Democratic politicians have for a few decades now, condescension to push their agenda.

On September 10 2009 10:54 TeCh)PsylO wrote:


Didn't Bush pass the stimulus bill? Maybe that's why it is reminiscent of Bush. To be fair, both the credit crisis and the health care industry are/were very serious and need serious attention. As Obama said, we can't keep pushing solutions back term after term because it is politically comfortable.

On September 10 2009 10:48 TeCh)PsylO wrote:



The people in the room know the fundamental problems, and the details. It seems he was really speaking to the people at home, attempting to change the tone of the public conversation to put more pressure on "moderates". The more he talks about common goals and American ideals, the harder it is for right-wing spokesman like Palin and Limbaugh to bash his platform. That has really been the problem with this debate, it is being manipulated by unintelligent ideologues. Obama needs to marginalize these people (he certainly has the political skill to do so), and focus on the consequences of not taking any action. Republicans are significantly more politically savvy in their ability to shape the public debate, but the reality of our health care system is dire enough to speak for itself. Anyone who has dealt with medical issues, and has at least looked at an itemized bill will not argue against health care reform.

On September 10 2009 10:54 TeCh)PsylO wrote:


Didn't Bush pass the stimulus bill? Maybe that's why it is reminiscent of Bush. To be fair, both the credit crisis and the health care industry are/were very serious and need serious attention. As Obama said, we can't keep pushing solutions back term after term because it is politically comfortable.

On September 10 2009 11:02 s_side wrote:


The omnibus appropriations package?? Signed into law on March 11, 2009?? Don't be a dunce.

Jesus Christ, our country really is fucked.

On September 10 2009 11:02 Mystlord wrote:

If they know the fundamental problems, why aren't they dealing with them? It will probably take longer than Obama's current term to fix the underlying problems of our health care system. At the very least, Medicare needs to be completely reworked because this incentives system isn't working. By our current health care system, tests = money for doctors. Even if they're junk tests. If you ask me, we're just running a moral hazard economy system for health care. It's not in the doctors' best interests to do an x-ray to confirm a diagnosis if he can get more money for an MRI. This also leads to waste, which leads to rising costs. This bill isn't addressing these problems, it's just expanding coverage, which isn't exactly a bad thing, but you can't talk about the economy (as Obama did in the beginning of the speech), without trying to cut down on COSTS not on PRICES.

On September 10 2009 11:06 motbob wrote:

OK, you're saying that our country is fucked because he confused the bailout with the stimulus bill? Fuck you. What a condescending post.

This is par for the course for Obama. S-class presentation with C-level content and substance.