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TheOvermind77
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States923 Posts
September 10 2009 01:04 GMT
#21
On September 10 2009 10:01 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Camille Paglia had it exactly right: http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2009/09/09/healthcare/

Obama is such a master speaker. He's inspiring and powerful, but it's unfortunate for the rest of us that he's not addressing very serious concerns, such as the fine details of cost, coverage, and tax increases. He's right that we can't stick with the status quo, but this bill isn't going to fix anything.


I don't think the fine details are appropriate for a speech like this. I think this bill, or some bipartisan compromise, is our only chance. Really. If it doesn't happen now, I dread to see the healthcare situation in another 15 years.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
September 10 2009 01:07 GMT
#22
or you know, people could look at the actual problems, instead of blaming "socialism" and "greed" and god knows what

but no this is AMERICA short term DEMOCRACY RULEZZasdf
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Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-10 01:09:31
September 10 2009 01:08 GMT
#23
On September 10 2009 10:01 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Camille Paglia had it exactly right: http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2009/09/09/healthcare/

Obama is such a master speaker. He's inspiring and powerful, but it's unfortunate for the rest of us that he's not addressing very serious concerns, such as the fine details of cost, coverage, and tax increases. He's right that we can't stick with the status quo, but this bill isn't going to fix anything.



Hey my favourite republican!


How's that war on terror / Iraqi war / Weapons of mass destruction thingy doing? I thought someone a few years ago said it was working........



I'm just trolling.


I agree Obama hasn't addressed the actual high cost of medication.


Here in Canada, there is a cap on how much drug companies can charge for medications meanwhile in the United States there is no cap.

My uncle (a doctor), was telling me that the drug companies have a dominant control over the politics involving cost of medecine.



We shall see how this proceeds.
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Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
September 10 2009 01:12 GMT
#24
On September 10 2009 10:08 Tien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2009 10:01 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Camille Paglia had it exactly right: http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2009/09/09/healthcare/

Obama is such a master speaker. He's inspiring and powerful, but it's unfortunate for the rest of us that he's not addressing very serious concerns, such as the fine details of cost, coverage, and tax increases. He's right that we can't stick with the status quo, but this bill isn't going to fix anything.



Hey my favourite republican!


How's that war on terror / Iraqi war / Weapons of mass destruction thingy doing? I thought someone a few years ago said it was working........



I'm just trolling.


I agree Obama hasn't addressed the actual high cost of medication.


Here in Canada, there is a cap on how much drug companies can charge for medications meanwhile in the United States there is no cap.

My uncle (a doctor), was telling me that the drug companies have a dominant control over the politics involving cost of medecine.



We shall see how this proceeds.

Pretty much. I like this speech, but it fails to address the fundamental problems of our heatlh care system. It's like putting a bigger and bigger band-aid over a slowly growing wound.
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DarkShadowz
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden321 Posts
September 10 2009 01:15 GMT
#25
I hope it pass. Obama is exactly what US and the world need imo. But he became president in one of the hardest messes ever to get out of.
Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-10 01:19:43
September 10 2009 01:18 GMT
#26
On September 10 2009 09:39 s_side wrote:
He better make a damn good impression tonight. His support, especially among independents and conservative democrats is vanishing like a squirt of piss in a hurricane.


The fact that conservative and democrats are so frequently paired together makes me T_T

Doesn't matter what Obama says, a huge percentage of Americans are willfully ignorant and believe in Fox News like it's the 2nd Bible. This country is far, far beyond hope of getting it's shit together, when people who can't name the Secretary of State get to decide something as important as health care policy.
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
September 10 2009 01:19 GMT
#27
On September 10 2009 10:18 Louder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2009 09:39 s_side wrote:
He better make a damn good impression tonight. His support, especially among independents and conservative democrats is vanishing like a squirt of piss in a hurricane.


The fact that conservative and democrats are so frequently paired together makes me T_T

i know to think that conservatives associate with democrats of all people O.O
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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
September 10 2009 01:19 GMT
#28
Why is there a room in the Capitol named for Strom Thurmond

and why would anyone want to give a televised speech from that room
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
BalliSLife
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
1339 Posts
September 10 2009 01:20 GMT
#29
any transcript yet or is it still live? i'm at work so i have no idea
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
September 10 2009 01:20 GMT
#30
Haha I love how Obama says 'we need to pass this' for about 3, 4 months without giving any details

and now when he's supposed to be 'giving details' they're vague and not particularly helpful.

I find Obama a charismatic and intelligent individual, but this whole healthcare thing is a morass of idiocy.
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
September 10 2009 01:21 GMT
#31
On September 10 2009 10:18 Louder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2009 09:39 s_side wrote:
He better make a damn good impression tonight. His support, especially among independents and conservative democrats is vanishing like a squirt of piss in a hurricane.


The fact that conservative and democrats are so frequently paired together makes me T_T

Doesn't matter what Obama says, a huge percentage of Americans are willfully ignorant and believe in Fox News like it's the 2nd Bible. This country is far, far beyond hope of getting it's shit together, when people who can't name the Secretary of State get to decide something as important as health care policy.


There is also a huge percentage of Americans who are wilfully ignorant and believe in the NYT like it's the 2nd bible...?

Everyone should just read the damn Journal :x
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Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-10 01:26:11
September 10 2009 01:25 GMT
#32
On September 10 2009 10:20 BalliSLife wrote:
any transcript yet or is it still live? i'm at work so i have no idea

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/10/us/politics/10obama.text.html

speech transcript
zizou21
Profile Joined September 2006
United States3683 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-10 01:26:47
September 10 2009 01:25 GMT
#33
sigh nm -_-
its me, tasteless,s roomate LOL!
BalliSLife
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
1339 Posts
September 10 2009 01:30 GMT
#34
On September 10 2009 10:25 Pressure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2009 10:20 BalliSLife wrote:
any transcript yet or is it still live? i'm at work so i have no idea

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/10/us/politics/10obama.text.html

speech transcript


thank you
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motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
September 10 2009 01:33 GMT
#35
On September 10 2009 10:20 Last Romantic wrote:
and now when he's supposed to be 'giving details' they're vague and not particularly helpful.

First, if you are among the hundreds of millions of Americans who already have health insurance through your job, Medicare, Medicaid, or the VA, nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change the coverage or the doctor you have. Let me repeat this: nothing in our plan requires you to change what you have.

Under this plan, it will be against the law for insurance companies to deny you coverage because of a pre-existing condition. As soon as I sign this bill, it will be against the law for insurance companies to drop your coverage when you get sick or water it down when you need it most.

We will place a limit on how much you can be charged for out-of-pocket expenses, because in the United States of America, no one should go broke because they get sick. And insurance companies will be required to cover, with no extra charge, routine checkups and preventive care, like mammograms and colonoscopies – because there's no reason we shouldn't be catching diseases like breast cancer and colon cancer before they get worse. That makes sense, it saves money, and it saves lives.

if you're one of the tens of millions of Americans who don't currently have health insurance, the second part of this plan will finally offer you quality, affordable choices. If you lose your job or change your job, you will be able to get coverage. If you strike out on your own and start a small business, you will be able to get coverage. We will do this by creating a new insurance exchange – a marketplace where individuals and small businesses will be able to shop for health insurance at competitive prices.

For those individuals and small businesses who still cannot afford the lower-priced insurance available in the exchange, we will provide tax credits, the size of which will be based on your need.

That's why under my plan, individuals will be required to carry basic health insurance – just as most states require you to carry auto insurance.

Likewise, businesses will be required to either offer their workers health care, or chip in to help cover the cost of their workers. There will be a hardship waiver for those individuals who still cannot afford coverage, and 95% of all small businesses, because of their size and narrow profit margin, would be exempt from these requirements.

That's from the first half of the speech. WTF LR
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
September 10 2009 01:33 GMT
#36
On September 10 2009 09:52 Mystlord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2009 09:48 Ecael wrote:
On September 10 2009 09:41 Mystlord wrote:
Go go Republicans! You're not clapping! You're going to get flak for this later. So.. Much... Flak..

Yes, because Obama is speaking with a tone seeking bipartisanship.

Regardless, you know what'll happen when the Daily Show and Colbert gets these clips. You also know what will happen when the Democrats start putting out commercials...



Good cant wait, he is gonna have way more success than Bill (daddy) Clinton did. I wish him luck with it as well.... Btw mystlord, what happened to eMerge)? and does Resonance still play?
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
September 10 2009 01:35 GMT
#37
I missed this so I cant wait for it to be uploaded somewhere.

I heard a little snippit and I really hope something useful gets passed for once.

Shame on the Repubs for being immature. Dont know what the Dems would have done in the same situation but really depressing to see the Repubs act like that.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 10 2009 01:37 GMT
#38
Wow Joe Wilson's website is down.
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motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
September 10 2009 01:37 GMT
#39
On September 10 2009 10:37 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Wow Joe Wilson's website is down.

The sad thing is that it's probably mostly people writing in to support him -_-
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GoShox
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1842 Posts
September 10 2009 01:38 GMT
#40
Video of the "liar" part:


EXTREMELY pitiful for any Republican (or anyone in politics for that matter) to be that immature. Apparently it was Joe Wilson from South Carolina... with the Republicans already down as they are now, I don't know why they resort to silly antics like this.
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