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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
August 19 2009 00:55 GMT
#21
Why are people calling bullshit on this? Because they aren't fat and depressed, or maybe a few of their friends aren't? Think about all the people you see going into the Gamestop at the mall, or where ever you get your games. How many of them are social looking, fit people? From my experience, not many. Hell, when I used to play video games all the time (I hardly ever do now, which is somewhat ironic considering where I'm posting this) I was much fatter, and was absolutely depressed. Not that the video games caused that, I would never even suggest that, but instead I was looking for a way to entertain myself and be alone, and video games were the perfect outlet.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-19 00:57:48
August 19 2009 00:55 GMT
#22
On August 19 2009 09:21 pencilcase wrote:
Source:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32463904/ns/technology_and_science-games/wid/11915829&GT1=40006

A new study says the average age of video-game players in the United States is 35, and oh, by the way: They're overweight and tend to be depressed.

Investigators from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Emory University and Andrews University analyzed survey data from 552 adults in the Seattle-Tacoma area. The subjects ranged in age from 19 to 90, according to the study, published in the October issue of the American Journal of Preventive Medicine.

The hypothesis was that video-game players have a higher body mass index — the measure of a person's weight in relation to their height — and "a greater number of poor mental health days" versus nonplayers, said Dr. James B. Weaver III of the CDC's National Center for Health Marketing. The hypothesis was correct, he said.

The findings, he said in the article, "differentiated adult video-game players from nonplayers. Video-game players also reported lower extraversion, consistent with research on adolescents that linked video-game playing to a sedentary lifestyle and overweight status, and to mental-health concerns."

The Seattle-Tacoma area was chosen for the study, researchers said, both because of its size as the 13th largest media market in the United States and because its Internet usage level is "the highest in the nation." The study was done in 2006; the results analyzed in 2008.

You fucking retards.

Seattle has a really fucking high suicide rate because its rainy and depressing.
learn to account for independent variables better you fucking shitty methodology morons.
even if you "differentiated between players and nonplayers" isn't it obvious that the fact that the high internet usage in Seattle and Tacoma is because its rainy and miserable?

And as if that wasn't bad enough...

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This study is just fucking terrible. My inner statistician is pissed. There are many factors besides video games to be accounted for. Not to mention that there could be a more polarizing difference between games and nongamers because outgoing people would be outgoing regardless of the conditions, while others whom may otherwise be outgoing would be depressed and gaming in Seattle.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24777 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-19 00:58:55
August 19 2009 00:58 GMT
#23
On August 19 2009 09:43 psion0011 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2009 09:42 DM20 wrote:
No researcher worth their salt would have used BMI.

Except BMI is perfect for statistical uses.

What do you mean it's perfect for statistical uses? It's a bad indicator of health... so how is it perfect for any use?

edit: caller: did they have a control of nongamers to compare? If so then they aren't retarded!
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
August 19 2009 01:02 GMT
#24
On August 19 2009 09:58 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2009 09:43 psion0011 wrote:
On August 19 2009 09:42 DM20 wrote:
No researcher worth their salt would have used BMI.

Except BMI is perfect for statistical uses.

What do you mean it's perfect for statistical uses? It's a bad indicator of health... so how is it perfect for any use?

edit: caller: did they have a control of nongamers to compare? If so then they aren't retarded!

no you misunderstand

People tend to be outgoing or not outgoing.
People who stay inside and play games are apparently depressed and overweight.
People who are outgoing are not as depressed and overweight.

Maybe a reason why people are depressed is because their overweight.
Mayber a reason why they're playing video games and not outgoing is because nobody wants to hangout with overweight people. As a result, they are depressed.

Females who play video games are even more depressed. Obviously, because if they are overweight and not that outgoing, they are not likely to want to go out as they would be shunned. This would of course make them play video games and make them depressed.

This is as bad as saying oh, those school shooters play Grand Theft Auto, therefore video games turn people into murderers! There are too many variables and they fail to establish casuality.
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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
August 19 2009 01:03 GMT
#25
So wait, an insanely small sample study (less than 1,000 people??) in a concentrated area, namely one that houses an overall depressed area (Seattle has one of the highest suicide rates in the nation I believe, namely due to the weather).

I didn't read the whole study, as that line was enough for me. If I missed something crucial point it out to me .
Aznleeman
Profile Joined November 2007
United States208 Posts
August 19 2009 01:07 GMT
#26
Reach can bench more than any scientist that researched that bullshit. I fail to believe that gaming specifically screws you up. Go outside for 1 hour/day and you're not going to be depressed or overweight, unless something else causes it.

And I bet whoever made this study never passed statistics II in high school.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24777 Posts
August 19 2009 01:11 GMT
#27
On August 19 2009 10:02 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2009 09:58 micronesia wrote:
On August 19 2009 09:43 psion0011 wrote:
On August 19 2009 09:42 DM20 wrote:
No researcher worth their salt would have used BMI.

Except BMI is perfect for statistical uses.

What do you mean it's perfect for statistical uses? It's a bad indicator of health... so how is it perfect for any use?

edit: caller: did they have a control of nongamers to compare? If so then they aren't retarded!

no you misunderstand

People tend to be outgoing or not outgoing.
People who stay inside and play games are apparently depressed and overweight.
People who are outgoing are not as depressed and overweight.

Maybe a reason why people are depressed is because their overweight.
Mayber a reason why they're playing video games and not outgoing is because nobody wants to hangout with overweight people. As a result, they are depressed.

Females who play video games are even more depressed. Obviously, because if they are overweight and not that outgoing, they are not likely to want to go out as they would be shunned. This would of course make them play video games and make them depressed.

This is as bad as saying oh, those school shooters play Grand Theft Auto, therefore video games turn people into murderers! There are too many variables and they fail to establish casuality.

First of all I don't see what I misunderstood. Your original complaint was that they didn't take into account the fact that region could cause people to be depressed anyway, to which I said they could use nongamers as a control.

You are right that there is much more to make their study reasonably valid, but I don't think what they concluded was retarded. They really didn't make any sweeping claims... just pointed out some connections that were apparent.
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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
August 19 2009 01:14 GMT
#28
On August 19 2009 10:11 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2009 10:02 Caller wrote:
On August 19 2009 09:58 micronesia wrote:
On August 19 2009 09:43 psion0011 wrote:
On August 19 2009 09:42 DM20 wrote:
No researcher worth their salt would have used BMI.

Except BMI is perfect for statistical uses.

What do you mean it's perfect for statistical uses? It's a bad indicator of health... so how is it perfect for any use?

edit: caller: did they have a control of nongamers to compare? If so then they aren't retarded!

no you misunderstand

People tend to be outgoing or not outgoing.
People who stay inside and play games are apparently depressed and overweight.
People who are outgoing are not as depressed and overweight.

Maybe a reason why people are depressed is because their overweight.
Mayber a reason why they're playing video games and not outgoing is because nobody wants to hangout with overweight people. As a result, they are depressed.

Females who play video games are even more depressed. Obviously, because if they are overweight and not that outgoing, they are not likely to want to go out as they would be shunned. This would of course make them play video games and make them depressed.

This is as bad as saying oh, those school shooters play Grand Theft Auto, therefore video games turn people into murderers! There are too many variables and they fail to establish casuality.

First of all I don't see what I misunderstood. Your original complaint was that they didn't take into account the fact that region could cause people to be depressed anyway, to which I said they could use nongamers as a control.

You are right that there is much more to make their study reasonably valid, but I don't think what they concluded was retarded. They really didn't make any sweeping claims... just pointed out some connections that were apparent.


yet they still published the results and misleaded their results to a much stronger and different conclusion than was truthful
sorry, i just get pissed when this happens
kind of like when you dodge sc 1v1
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24777 Posts
August 19 2009 01:16 GMT
#29
On August 19 2009 10:14 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2009 10:11 micronesia wrote:
On August 19 2009 10:02 Caller wrote:
On August 19 2009 09:58 micronesia wrote:
On August 19 2009 09:43 psion0011 wrote:
On August 19 2009 09:42 DM20 wrote:
No researcher worth their salt would have used BMI.

Except BMI is perfect for statistical uses.

What do you mean it's perfect for statistical uses? It's a bad indicator of health... so how is it perfect for any use?

edit: caller: did they have a control of nongamers to compare? If so then they aren't retarded!

no you misunderstand

People tend to be outgoing or not outgoing.
People who stay inside and play games are apparently depressed and overweight.
People who are outgoing are not as depressed and overweight.

Maybe a reason why people are depressed is because their overweight.
Mayber a reason why they're playing video games and not outgoing is because nobody wants to hangout with overweight people. As a result, they are depressed.

Females who play video games are even more depressed. Obviously, because if they are overweight and not that outgoing, they are not likely to want to go out as they would be shunned. This would of course make them play video games and make them depressed.

This is as bad as saying oh, those school shooters play Grand Theft Auto, therefore video games turn people into murderers! There are too many variables and they fail to establish casuality.

First of all I don't see what I misunderstood. Your original complaint was that they didn't take into account the fact that region could cause people to be depressed anyway, to which I said they could use nongamers as a control.

You are right that there is much more to make their study reasonably valid, but I don't think what they concluded was retarded. They really didn't make any sweeping claims... just pointed out some connections that were apparent.


yet they still published the results and misleaded their results to a much stronger and different conclusion than was truthful
sorry, i just get pissed when this happens
kind of like when you dodge sc 1v1

How did they mislead people? I didn't read it that carefully, but it didn't specify what were causes and what were effects. If people choose to misread a study, then blame those people.
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VarmVaffel
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway378 Posts
August 19 2009 01:19 GMT
#30
I'm with travis on this, 135%
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
August 19 2009 01:21 GMT
#31
On August 19 2009 10:16 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2009 10:14 Caller wrote:
On August 19 2009 10:11 micronesia wrote:
On August 19 2009 10:02 Caller wrote:
On August 19 2009 09:58 micronesia wrote:
On August 19 2009 09:43 psion0011 wrote:
On August 19 2009 09:42 DM20 wrote:
No researcher worth their salt would have used BMI.

Except BMI is perfect for statistical uses.

What do you mean it's perfect for statistical uses? It's a bad indicator of health... so how is it perfect for any use?

edit: caller: did they have a control of nongamers to compare? If so then they aren't retarded!

no you misunderstand

People tend to be outgoing or not outgoing.
People who stay inside and play games are apparently depressed and overweight.
People who are outgoing are not as depressed and overweight.

Maybe a reason why people are depressed is because their overweight.
Mayber a reason why they're playing video games and not outgoing is because nobody wants to hangout with overweight people. As a result, they are depressed.

Females who play video games are even more depressed. Obviously, because if they are overweight and not that outgoing, they are not likely to want to go out as they would be shunned. This would of course make them play video games and make them depressed.

This is as bad as saying oh, those school shooters play Grand Theft Auto, therefore video games turn people into murderers! There are too many variables and they fail to establish casuality.

First of all I don't see what I misunderstood. Your original complaint was that they didn't take into account the fact that region could cause people to be depressed anyway, to which I said they could use nongamers as a control.

You are right that there is much more to make their study reasonably valid, but I don't think what they concluded was retarded. They really didn't make any sweeping claims... just pointed out some connections that were apparent.


yet they still published the results and misleaded their results to a much stronger and different conclusion than was truthful
sorry, i just get pissed when this happens
kind of like when you dodge sc 1v1

How did they mislead people? I didn't read it that carefully, but it didn't specify what were causes and what were effects. If people choose to misread a study, then blame those people.

well, having looked at the journal, i will just say that it's a long reach from

"correlation between higher bmi in males and more depression in females that play video games"
to
"average gamer is 35, fat, and depressed."
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Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
August 19 2009 01:23 GMT
#32
I'm only depressed when I'm not playing a game or at school =P
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Astray
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada59 Posts
August 19 2009 01:24 GMT
#33
Lol. Depressed?

Going on starcraft and psi storming noobs destresses me! >:D
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kdog3683
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States916 Posts
August 19 2009 01:25 GMT
#34
On August 19 2009 10:23 Railz wrote:
I'm only depressed when I'm not playing a game or at school =P


That means you're depressed.
Multiply your efforts.
duckett
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States589 Posts
August 19 2009 01:27 GMT
#35
On August 19 2009 09:21 pencilcase wrote:
Both male and female video game players spend more time than nonplayers seeking friendship and support on the Internet, the study found, "a finding consistent with prior research pointing to the willingness of adult video-game enthusiasts to sacrifice real-world social activities to play video games."


...what? That makes no sense. This sentence at once highlights an important benefit of video games (friendship and support) and then denigrates video games by implication.

For more palatable research, see http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/arch_cat.php.
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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
August 19 2009 01:28 GMT
#36
On August 19 2009 09:26 GhostKorean wrote:
While it is true that some gamers need to exercise more often, they shouldn't stereotype all gamers like this.



yeah just look at INC...
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
August 19 2009 01:29 GMT
#37
This is most likely true, but I don't get why it's a "New Study." Did they seriously just realize that now?

Or did they put new because they finally have proof now...
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miseiler
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1389 Posts
August 19 2009 01:32 GMT
#38
On August 19 2009 10:28 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2009 09:26 GhostKorean wrote:
While it is true that some gamers need to exercise more often, they shouldn't stereotype all gamers like this.



yeah just look at INC...


Inc's BMI is probably massive.

A good indicator of how stupid BMI is as an indicator.
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Spike
Profile Joined October 2003
United States1392 Posts
August 19 2009 01:33 GMT
#39
Don't really see why people are surprised...

Only thing I would like to know is what they consider to be a gamer; didn't really read the link.

Is there a distinction between "casual" and "hardcore" gamers?
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
August 19 2009 01:38 GMT
#40
the restricted it to people 19 and over. What do you expect. Still though the ratio of fat gamer to normal gamer I meet is like 1 in 10.
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