Heroes of Newerth(dota remake) beta keys

On July 23 2009 01:20 StorrZerg wrote:
So who made this? i heard there are 2 different games coming out like dota, and ones is from the creators (or who ever is currently running it( or was) pandemic?

On July 23 2009 03:00 Railz wrote:
S2 are an amazing group of developers, shitty marketers =P

On July 23 2009 04:25 floor exercise wrote:
I have heard a lot of horror stories about the S2Maliken guy. He apparently goes into savage/savage2 servers giving himself the best units and shit and then throws fits when he gets killed.

They are also adding a hero called Maliken next patch, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was broken as hell or something

On July 23 2009 04:25 floor exercise wrote:
I have heard a lot of horror stories about the S2Maliken guy. He apparently goes into savage/savage2 servers giving himself the best units and shit and then throws fits when he gets killed.

On July 23 2009 04:15 Durak wrote:


I disagree. I played the original Savage and it was great. However, S2Games really went downhill with Savage 2. They're really slow at developing and rush their releases. The development is "slow" because even though they patch quickly, the patches are really bad. The biggest problem is that the head dev, S2Maliken, overpatches so that even after the game is great, he ruins it by changing the combat system entirely.

Anyway, I haven't played this game yet. You can expect that even if you really like it, the game may change entirely with some later patch and ruin it for you.

On July 23 2009 05:45 OmgIRok wrote:
I GOT A BETA KEYYYY

woot

HAHAH YEAHHH :DDDDDD

On July 23 2009 03:59 Velr wrote:
i tested it.


I see about zero reasons that would make me play this over Dota.

On July 23 2009 09:27 Torenhire wrote:
The original Savage was freakin awesome.

It's actually free-ware now, but no one plays it anymore... I really wish another game like it would release.

On July 23 2009 10:46 Red_Storm wrote:


pro open mind going on there

On July 23 2009 23:56 Velr wrote:
I don't know. Probably i just don't like it for it being tooo close to DOTA. It's like a carbon copy with diffrent graphics (which i find "to clean/steril").
The controlls were fine.
The Shop was fine.
It felt fine... But i just don't saw a point in the whole game... It's like someone would copy starcraft and change a few things just to make easy money...

I will check back at the end of the Beta if it feels better then. But right now? Dota is clearly the superior game (and i don't play on a very high level).

On July 24 2009 00:34 Shade692003 wrote:


How is Dota ''clearly the superior game'' when HoN is pretty much DotA updated for 2009? Can you reconnect when you leave a game in DotA? Is there a matchmaking service for DotA? Stats?

On July 24 2009 00:34 Shade692003 wrote:


How is Dota ''clearly the superior game'' when HoN is pretty much DotA updated for 2009? Can you reconnect when you leave a game in DotA? Is there a matchmaking service for DotA? Stats?

On July 24 2009 01:15 Sadistx wrote:

Stats aren't a revolutionary idea. In fact they are more of an excuse for scrubs who thinks kills are everything to kick really good team players that enjoy playing support heroes. The shop interface of HON needs to be completely reworked and be made more dota-like, but give you the ability to purchase an item outright (i.e. buy a bracer already assembled if you can afford it).
The contrast in the game is seriously fucked up - everything is way too dark, but shiny and obscured by post-processing effects. Not only contrast, but the interface as well.
Blizzard games by nature have an interface that's as close to perfection as it gets in the gaming world. The problem with HON is that the interface uses different size icons for everything as well as different size fonts.

Skill icons when upgrading are retardedly tiny. Item icons in the shop are retardedly big, while being too small when in your inventory. Also apparently damage and mana cost are less important than some shitty ripped off description, because they put it in the smallest font possible.

The only thing clearly superior to Dota is the reconnect feature. The streamlined hero animations are nice, but by no means something to drool over.

This game has potential, but it needs SO much work. I hope their devs are listening and listening well.

On July 23 2009 09:27 Torenhire wrote:



The original Savage was freakin awesome.

It's actually free-ware now, but no one plays it anymore... I really wish another game like it would release.

Savage 1 was like Starcraft, except there was the guy on the overhead view building stuff and making units/research, but your SCVs, Marines, Siege Tanks were all controlled by players... you could listen to your commander or tell him to go blow a goat.

ah, the good ol days.

On July 24 2009 02:34 Zoler wrote:
Beta guys, beta!

Starcraft in Beta phase:

On July 24 2009 02:43 omninmo wrote:


this is like pre-alpha SC... that is not beta sc.

but point taken,

On July 24 2009 02:27 Shade692003 wrote:


Stats are only retarded if you let yourself judge people by their stats. Otherwise it's just another analyzing tool. And sorry, but the shop interface is just plain better, all your ranting is pretty much DotA ingrain, and you are in the process of being acustomed to something different. In DotA, I have to check the recipe, read the items ingredients, and have to find all those items by hand in 5 different npc shops while remembering all the names. In HoN you simply click the recipe, and you can buy all the items directly, not even mentionning the shop has hotkeys. Items icon size are pretty much the same size as the ones in WC3, again that's ''omg it's different I,m not yet used to it unlike DoTA which I played for years'' syndrome.


On my first game of HoN, I had pretty much the same mindset as you had, I thought everything was way too small and placed in wierd spots (exp bar, lvl skills, gold) but after a couple of games I realized how much better and more streamlined it actually is.

um...duh? Because you're supposed to trust every low level player with bad stats that join your game? Get real.

And that second part is a bullshit excuse. You won't have trouble remembering the recipes if you play the game enough or just READ the item ingredients which takes about 2 seconds. It's not like you are multitasking so heavily in DoTA. Either way you have some fucking dumb reasons for how the game is better than DoTA. I think I'll listen to the guys who seem to know how to play these kinds of games instead of this bullshit.

On July 24 2009 23:21 Velr wrote:
I really don't like the whole graphic style..

Theres WAY to less contrast.
Everything looks clean.
The Item Icons look messy/overloaded.
The camera feels to close.

Sure, loads of this stuff can change... But I just don't see why I should play this over Dota were the issues above aren't there?

With the new Shopsystem in Dota it also has become much easyer for *newbies*... But the reciepe/shopsystem was never the issue with newbies, it's that they 90% of the time build totally wrong items... (everytime I see someone going for Vlads as very first item I want to kill a kitten).

I really don't like the whole graphic style..

Theres WAY to less contrast.

Everything looks clean.

The Item Icons look messy/overloaded.

The camera feels to close.

Sure, loads of this stuff can change... But I just don't see why I should play this over Dota were the issues above aren't there?

With the new Shopsystem in Dota it also has become much easyer for *newbies*... But the reciepe/shopsystem was never the issue with newbies, it's that they 90% of the time build totally wrong items... (everytime I see someone going for Vlads as very first item I want to kill a kitten).

you are definitely some scrub DoTA pub player. When we mean stats we mean RECORD before the game even starts. There's a reason people with bad records get booted so what the fuck does playing carry heroes have to do with it?

And for your second part easier UI navigation is not the problem - it's you. You complained about having to keep checking recipe ingredients when that is not a function of the game but a function of your brain. Play more and memorize. That's a YOU problem not a DoTA problem. That would be like some idiot complaining that they can't build Marines from a Barracks because Blizzard made the font too small. Man up or GTFO.

On July 23 2009 23:09 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
it's really a lot better than some people make it out to be. It is still a beta so some heroes and items are obviously OP, but the graphics just appear shiny because you are so used to dota, after playing 15-20 games the graphics are just fine.
It has a few really big advantages over dota.
Games are ran on the server, so it doesn't matter if the host has a bad connection.
if you disc, you have 5 minutes to reconnect, which is probably the best thing about it.
the stats system, while flawed (if you lose 4v5 you will get shitty stats etc.) still shows leavers, you can actually create games where only people with a certain leaver % are able to join, which means that most games will be played till the end.
the shop is good as well, just takes a little time to get used to.
Anyways, if someone wants to play, my account name is voxyn, just add me to your buddy list

On July 25 2009 00:39 Ace wrote:
I'm not even talking about the shop in HoN. I really don't care. I'm talking about YOU. You complained about something in a game which is not the fault of the game but a fault of you. You've missed this point like 3 times already.

On July 25 2009 00:41 OmgIRok wrote:


The GUI is still horrible.

Learning skills, highlighting other units to check their HP/Mana, etc.

On July 25 2009 00:48 Shade692003 wrote:


In DotA, I have to check the recipe, read the items ingredients, and have to find all those items by hand in 5 different npc shops while remembering all the names.
How is that not a fault of the game, or are you telling me there's a secret ''click the recipe to buy insta-everything'' button I've missed?

One one hand, there's a shop which there's hotkeys, and recipes ''hotlinks''. On the other hand, there's a shop that doesn't have either of those. Guess which one you can shop faster? You can cry ''ITS YOUR FAULT NOT TEH GAME BAWWW'' all you want. Fact is, someone who is fully accustomed to both system will find the HoN one much better and faster, no matter how you spin it.

On July 25 2009 01:36 Skyze wrote:


That is in League of Legends (click the recipe and it buys everything) and thus making it a much more superior game to anyone who doesnt feel like searching the internet for item guides to play every new hero.

So far, HoN has a better engine/playstyle but League of Legends has 10000% better everything else. If they would merge, HoN engine with LoL everything else, it'd be a smash hit, yet both companies dont seem to catch on whats better about the other and adapt it.

So DOTA will still probably be the most superior of the genre, since neither of these two really want to take a lead.

On July 24 2009 21:53 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
The fact that you can ping 300 and your hero still reacts almost instantly is enough to give it a fucking huuuge leg up over dota.

On July 25 2009 03:10 Zoler wrote:


hmm.. imo that doesn't matter because I've never experienced delay in dota one single time on my life (I only play on garena).

On July 24 2009 21:53 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
The fact that you can ping 300 and your hero still reacts almost instantly is enough to give it a fucking huuuge leg up over dota.

On July 25 2009 01:34 floor exercise wrote:
I always thought a search box would be helpful for the dota style shop. Everyone says buy this buy that, and I still dont know where half the things are, and instead of standing there looking like an idiot, I could type "bra" into a search box and it would filter bracer etc. It would be so fast

On July 25 2009 00:27 Ace wrote:
ah ok you're not even reading my posts. Good job troll ^_^

There is nothing wrong with DOTA UI - it's YOU. Yes even people who play support heroes with bad records are get this - usually bad players. The fact you complain about recipes (lol) just makes it even more amusing.

On July 25 2009 11:03 Ace wrote:
pffft after playing over 200 games of DOTA how can anyone complain about recipes though? like seriously you've gotta have SHIT memory not to remember how to make a fucking bracer lol

v_v

pffft after playing over 200 games of DOTA how can anyone complain about recipes though?

after playing over 200 games of DOTA

On July 25 2009 01:34 floor exercise wrote:
I always thought a search box would be helpful for the dota style shop. Everyone says buy this buy that, and I still dont know where half the things are, and instead of standing there looking like an idiot, I could type "bra" into a search box and it would filter bracer etc. It would be so fast

On July 25 2009 15:44 iLoveKT wrote:
dude, that hero with the slowing web is freaking imba!!!

On July 25 2009 18:54 Rakanishu2 wrote:stuff
Call me old fashioned.

On July 25 2009 12:06 Ace wrote:
200 games isn't a lot, whats your point :/

Or are you going to say you barely played that many games and thats why you can't learn the recipes and then I get to hit you with the no shit sherlock?

On July 25 2009 21:07 Sadistx wrote:


No, you're totally right, this game suffers from massive interface design flaws that shouldn't exist in such a fast-paced game.
Despite WC3 looking kind of dated today, the interface, being made by blizzard, is naturally as close to perfection as it gets. The only way to improve it is to let players buy complete items instead of having to assemble every bracer from 3 parts in 3 different shops.
Voices are generally a non-issue, since they are annoying in WC3 also, when you listen to them for the 1000th time, so you just turn those off.

Perhaps the problem of the game is that it's a little bit TOO detailed, substituting good design for tiny fluff that hurts the eyes.

On July 25 2009 21:44 Shade692003 wrote:


Not really, there's ton of info missing in the WC3 UI. For exemple. In HoN you can hover your mouse over your attack and you can see how much raw attack speed value you character has, and how much attack per second he can do. Hover over your HP bar and you can see how much HP/sec you are gaining. Same thing for the MP bar (so you can very easily see if, say, arcane ring would be better or a 100% mana regen).

Your speed is actually a stat you can see as clearly as your HP, so you can always see you speed on the fly (like how much speed you gain/lose from blood seeker's skill, how much you gain from phase boot, you see it all changing on the go). There's also the magic resistance/armor % which isn't shown in wc3 IIRC. You can also show the exp value you gain from monster when you kill them (exactly like gold, only purple), so you clearly and easily judge the limit at which you will gain exp from creeps.

I bitched a lot about the UI in the beginning too, but after a couple games under my belt I came to realize it's only because I'm playing wc3 since 2002, it's normal I'm expecting everything to be where I'm used for it to be.

On July 26 2009 00:05 Sadistx wrote:


Well, you're wrong, because none of that info is actually useful for a beginner anyway. What does 0.753 attack per second mean to a scrub/newbie? Nothing. That info is actually a very good example of clutter they decided to put into the interface. Dota handles it nicely by having commands that make all the info available on demand without making the interface look like WoW garbage (not that im saying HoN has wow interface).
I guess what I'm trying to say is even if you have all the mechanics info available on your screen, it's not going to help you have better game sense, or last hitting or orbwalking, etc.

The WC3 design/interface is still easier on the eyes and has the most essential information available for players. The lack of super-detailed mechanics data on WC3's interface does not make it inferior in any way.

I mean I can see where you're coming from, you're probably tired of WC3, so you want something new, but new isn't necessarily better. Granted, I do like HoN's lobby interface - very streamlined and polished.

So lastly, yes people will adapt, but the point is - there was absolutely no reason to take a perfect interface and fuck with it.

On July 25 2009 21:34 Shade692003 wrote:


No, I'm saying that any UI that needs you to play over 200 games is a bad UI.

On July 26 2009 06:37 Shade692003 wrote:
Thesecretaznman, if you have some troubles learning the new names check out the HoN forums, there is a sticky associating each old name with new ones, for heroes and items. It's very useful when you're beggining. You can only view the forum if you're in the beta though.

On July 26 2009 05:35 BanZu wrote:
There is nothing wrong with HoN's interface and everyone bitching about it is just an idiot. It took me ONE game to get used to it.

Next time try to troll less.

On July 26 2009 05:45 Rakanishu2 wrote:
I think they made the game with fixing a multitude of Dota's small problems in mind, but didn't realize how much Dota really has right. So you get the small parts, like attack speed being quantified, movement speed, all kinds of small perks. But the developers just overcomplicated very simple things that made Dota functional.

On July 26 2009 15:47 Sadistx wrote:


Just because you can get used to something doesn't mean it's good or there's nothing wrong with it. If that simple fact eludes you, stop posting.
HoN has tons of irrelevant clutter (someone said it's designed for competitive play - roflskates, they couldn't be more wrong, there's no such thing as designed for competitive. If it's good - it's good.) and the most important elements that could actually be used by competitive players are small or misrepresented.


Funny, because you're the one trolling everyone who doesn't acknowledge that WC3 interface sucks, which it doesn't. In fact you're the first person to complain about something that's been polished in several games and has proven to be successful.



Well said. Dota has been continuously polished for 4 years straight, however, so I'm willing to give HON the benefit of the doubt for now in regards to some of its drawbacks. The thousands of players already in beta seem promising in terms of sale numbers for S2.

Or do you think that movement speed of ''normal, fast, very fast'' is better and having to input some console-like command is more intuitive than having the plain value in sight, just like your hp and everything else?

On July 25 2009 18:54 Rakanishu2 wrote:
The game just doesn't have the charm of Dota on WC3, along with some other small gripes. Life bars being too small, character voices far too annoying/limited (I played a character with only 2 lines, both of which were murder). It also suffers from an issue I see in several newer games, where it becomes a headache for your eyes to constantly pick out the PC's and NPCs from the shiny background. Gears of War had a similar issue, where the grey, metallic background make it a chore to pick out enemies, allies, etc. It might just be me nitpicking, but it is a serious trend amoung groundbreaking games to use good contrast from what you should be seeing to what should be in the background.

Try playing Half-life (Either), Halo, Diablo 2, TF2. The visuals supplement the gameplay perfectly. There's several newer games that don't follow this code and it makes for less enjoyable gameplay.

What's with the blurry icons for the items? They look like random shapes and colors, it makes it really hard to find an item you're familiar with. Why change the experience bar to a radial wheel around the character? Why make the icons for your spells and abilities tiny and make those icons blurry and indescript aswell? There were so many things in Wc3 dota that were so functional that were changed for the worse.

Why make the mobs so much smaller than the heros? Why do they look so weak when they attack when compared to Dota? (Ghouls throwing their whole body into and attack compared to a bipedal grey, undetailed zombie kind-of twisting and batting the enemies with one arm like its a club.)

Call me old fashioned.

On July 27 2009 01:36 OmgIRok wrote:
anyone gotten the health bars on?

i have to hold down alt then i end up pinging the map -.-

On July 27 2009 13:41 GhostKorean wrote:
Is this game exactly like Dota? With similar heroes and items?

On July 27 2009 14:13 Rakanishu2 wrote:
Yea the UI is perfectly functional, but it still needs to some work before its really streamlined.

After playing around 15 games I can see that hero balance is going to be another glaring issue like in was in Wc3 beta. Not so much because some heros are miles above the rest, but because some heros are just a step below the bunch.

Exhibit A: Blacksmith

A melee intelligence hero? He better have a sweet nuke or some great grinding/deny/escape moves. But no. He doesn't. His nuke has a 20% chance to cast 4 times over itself at level 16. But the stun doesnt last 4 times as long, hell no, its just 1.5 seconds, on a SINGLE TARGET.

So not only do you have a character that is wildly luck reliant (goodbye tournament play), he also has a stun that is miles below what other characters have, and have as AOEs no less.

And on top of that he's melee.

Then you have heros that are just superior

Exhibit B: Torturer

280 damage, AoE nuke/stun. Low cooldown.
40 per strike AoE random damage spell
~250 dmgAoE nuke with huge range
AoE pulse ultimate that does 177 per second at level 16, with master staff (a must).

This guy is beyond belief. You can stun someone with your first nuke, hit them with your follow up direct damage nuke, activate both your AoE pulses, AND attack them normally while this is all happening. After a few seconds, boom, both initial nukes are up again.

And he's a ranged character.

I have no clue how they got through the pen + paper phase of hero balance with things like this going on. Maybe just to get a beta out, I dunno.

The game is fun otherwise, I have yet to find another hero that is as broken as blacksmith, or as sickening as torturer. Did have a fun 25-2 game with him though. Ended up with 7000 gold at one point so I ended up with 2 hearts, a master staff, boots of travel, Vangaurd (Why not?), and a hood of defiance. As you can imagine their team gunned for me, so the vanguard and HoD were very useful.

On July 28 2009 03:28 Zoler wrote:
Blood hunter is imba! Anyone agree or is it just me ?

On July 28 2009 03:28 Zoler wrote:
Blood hunter is imba! Anyone agree or is it just me ?

On July 26 2009 15:47 Sadistx wrote:


Just because you can get used to something doesn't mean it's good or there's nothing wrong with it. If that simple fact eludes you, stop posting.
HoN has tons of irrelevant clutter (someone said it's designed for competitive play - roflskates, they couldn't be more wrong, there's no such thing as designed for competitive. If it's good - it's good.) and the most important elements that could actually be used by competitive players are small or misrepresented.

On July 28 2009 16:50 BanZu wrote:

Nothing in life is going to be perfect. Get used to it.

Or just leave.

On August 03 2009 12:28 hordeau wrote:
Can someone send me a beta invite please? viperskwa AT hotmail.com

On August 03 2009 13:00 cava wrote:
Does anyone have a free beta key left? I would appreciate one if possible. cwarne2 at students dot towson dot edu. Thanks

On August 03 2009 15:18 unSpeake wrote:
beta key please? i'd love you long time
mrweightxmr1 at hotmail dot com

On August 03 2009 23:34 bLah. wrote:







INVITATIONS SENT

On August 03 2009 23:34 bLah. wrote:







INVITATIONS SENT

On August 04 2009 09:14 Flicky wrote:
If you want to play HoN and you have facebook head to http://beta.heroesofnewerth.com/whoWehAw713saef/facebook.php for a free key.

Seriously, it's legit.

On August 04 2009 09:36 Zoler wrote:
Swiftblade (juggernaught) is so fucking imba holy shit he gotta be nerfed in next patch or S2 are fucking retards.

On August 07 2009 06:34 Sadistx wrote:


With all due respect, protoss is more overpowered in starcraft than jugg in HoN. He's just one of the not-so-terrible carries.

On August 08 2009 08:49 Zoler wrote:


TP while being stun / spell immune due to whirlwind!

On August 08 2009 09:52 Sadistx wrote:


Yeah, the magic immune is a bit OP I guess, but you can achieve almost the same results with blink + tp on any hero.

On August 11 2009 10:50 swat wrote:
Nevermind! looks like alienware has thousands of beta keys left, you just have to go to their site and sign up and get a free key

http://www.alienwarearena.com/event/hon-beta-giveaway/

about 9700 still remaining at the time I signed up.

On August 10 2009 21:25 Iplaythings wrote:
A dota remake without Icefrog? This wont be as succesful, and I had hoped for strategy games to take over

On August 11 2009 10:50 swat wrote:
Nevermind! looks like alienware has thousands of beta keys left, you just have to go to their site and sign up and get a free key

http://www.alienwarearena.com/event/hon-beta-giveaway/

about 9700 still remaining at the time I signed up.

On August 11 2009 14:31 davidgurt wrote:
My friend challenged me to play him 1;1 (I get 3 months to practice, and he plays the game cold). He's played in quite a few DotA leagues, so he's pretty good. Who should I play, and how much should I bet?

On August 11 2009 17:05 Sadistx wrote:

Never agree to 1 v 1 in HON or Dota. It doesn't show how skilled the player is, it just shows that you know how to pick the most overpowered 1v1 hero in the game and then keep him in base for the entire duration of the game.
Whoever thinks 1v1 proves something are total scrubs or idiots.

That said, I guess you could play arachna or puppet master, the new krobelus would do fine as well.

On August 11 2009 17:25 stanley_ wrote:

what if they pick the same hero? Then that makes it all skill practically.

On August 11 2009 21:13 Madtrixr wrote:
Since, we are talking about dota-type games, what's everyone's opinion on Demigod?
Just wondering.

On August 11 2009 23:17 StorrZerg wrote:


he wasn't the creator though