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On June 25 2009 09:41 bdams19 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 09:12 Ace wrote:
One thing you must also factor in:
OJ Mayo RUINED Rudy Gay's sophmore year. Remember last year how great he was? OJ Mayo comes into the mix and starts ball hogging and playing like shit defensively. Gay did also, but Mayo definitely hurt his superstar growth. Alas, it will have to be Rubio for the playmaking or hopefully - they get another PF to complement Marc Gasol on the boards.
@Testie: Nene is very good, he just took long to get to this level. Admittedly he did have a set back though. I agree with this last post on everything except the fact that they have to go with a point guard (Rubio most likely). I read somewhere in the past that the Memphis management really likes Mayo as the POINT of the future. Honestly, this makes no sense since it should be Conley at the 1, Mayo at the 2 but this is what I recall reading. Conley was given the keys to the offense after the coaching switch and Hollins really likes him (and I think he's poised for a breakout year). I think the best move for them right now is to go for a back up PG. Gasol, Mayo, and Gay are THE future of this team. I would be shocked if they don't pick up a back up PG because Gay and Mayo played a shitton of minutes every game last year.
Agreed with those three being the future of the that team. Oh dear if Mayo becomes the POINT on offense. Jeez he's a PURE SHOOTING GUARD he doesn't need to be handling the ball all the time. They should do like the old Chicago Bulls or how many top teams beg for now with a POINT FORWARD in Gay and have 2 great shooting but good playmaking PGs. As good and as bad as the Gay/Mayo combo has been so far they are both young and have time. Marc Gasol is already a good NBA Center (whatever that means) so they just need to give them support not more superstars or score first mofos. Whatever, it's another stupid team with stupid management that never builds correctly and just drafts random players.
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On June 25 2009 09:44 bdams19 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 08:01 Jibba wrote:On June 25 2009 07:49 Judicator wrote:On June 25 2009 07:46 Jibba wrote:
First of all, anyone that picks Thabeet needs to be banned from this thread. Second, I don't think Curry is going to be a very good pro. You do realize Thabeet only started playing basketball in college right? Work in progress definitely, but its not like super high risk considering his development in college. He works on the college level because he's a foot taller than other Cs. He has no footwork and no understanding of positioning, especially on rebounds. He gets away with it because of size, but everyone is taller and a LOT stronger in the pros, and he'll amount to nothing. It's not like we're talking about Tim Duncan's college development. I'm talking about his junior year, Thabeet did not look like he knew how to play basketball. EDIT: As a side note, I look forward to all the posters he's going to be in. Yes... while he is unpolished on offense (read: non existent skills on offense and should NEVER shoot the ball), seven foot three centers do not come around often. He can bulk up over the next couple of years and be a Sam Dalembert type player. I don't want to compare him to Dikembe because that would be giving him way too much credit, but I can see him being a defensive force.
He has to understand defense in order to be that force. I don't think he understands either side of the ball. He racked up blocks in college because he's 7 foot fucking 3, but I've seen better block outs from Amir Johnson...
I think even comparing him to Gheorghe Mureşan is giving him too much credit because Mureşan was a basketball player, albeit not a very talented one. Thabeet is just a tall dude that's kind of quick. I don't think he can even become an energy player. The best description I've read of him is that he's someone who probably wouldn't play basketball if he wasn't so tall. I don't mean someone who wouldn't play professionally, I mean a person who wouldn't play basketball at all.
Plus it's one thing that I don't think he's very good at all, but it's even worse to stick him on the Grizzlies. They need someone to bring their offense together, before they start learning how to play defense.
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On June 25 2009 09:12 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 07:48 tenbagger wrote:
I think this pick comes down to one question, Conley or Marc Gasol?
The Grizz are set at the 2 and 3 with Gay and Mayo and there isn't a worthwhile candidate here at the 4 so if comes down to a center or a point. The invested heavily to acquire both Gasol (pau) and Conley (#4 pick) and both are young enough that it would hurt to give up on them already.
If it were up to me, I'd have to go with a point here cuz I think that Gasol has more potential than Conley. Since the Grizz have such a promising 2 in Mayo, I would eliminate a combo guard like Evans from the mix so it would come down to Rubio/Curry. I love Curry and I think he'll be a tremendous offensive force in the NBA but if I were Grizz GM, I'd have to go with the playmaking abilities of Rubio to complement Gay and Mayo. One thing you must also factor in: OJ Mayo RUINED Rudy Gay's sophmore year. Remember last year how great he was? OJ Mayo comes into the mix and starts ball hogging and playing like shit defensively. Gay did also, but Mayo definitely hurt his superstar growth. Alas, it will have to be Rubio for the playmaking or hopefully - they get another PF to complement Marc Gasol on the boards. @Testie: Nene is very good, he just took long to get to this level. Admittedly he did have a set back though.
I guarantee you that no one and I mean NO ONE on this forum saw more minutes of Grizzlies games this past season than I did. I was a huge Gay fan coming into the season and HT will attest to the fact that I picked him in almost every fantasy league I was in.
So no one can accuse me of hating on Gay when I say that Gay was a much worse team player and a much bigger ball hog than Mayo was. I'm a huge fan of Gay's physical talents but his decision making, team play and intensity were absolutely horrible last year. Gay has only himself to blame for his poor season last year.
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On June 25 2009 09:49 KOFgokuon wrote:
you don't draft a backup pg with the #2 pick...
that is why if the grizz go with rubio, then conley is done in memphis.
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I'm a fan of Rudy Gay also and I'll admit he played like shit this season. But both of them have some huge gaps to work out in their play. I'll admit I haven't seen them play enough but from what I have v_v.
Hopefully Memphis is patient, unlike Golden State who will trade anyone at anytime.
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Obv Griffin goes #1 and the consensus TL pick @2 is Rubio. So who goes #3? Discuss!
Poll: Who do you take #3 if you are the OKC Thunder GM?
(Vote): Thabeet
(Vote): Harden
(Vote): Curry
(Vote): Evans
(Vote): Flynn
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Thabeet needs to grow bigger, remember when he was pummeled to the ground by the Pittsburgh player Dejuan blair? Haha that was so awesome
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I disagree that Rubio is number 2... I think Harden is the most NBA ready and would pick him over Rubio.
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On June 25 2009 12:18 bdams19 wrote:
I disagree that Rubio is number 2... I think Harden is the most NBA ready and would pick him over Rubio.
I don't think there is any disagreement that Harden is the most NBA ready. The question was who would you take #2 if you were Memphis Grizzlies GM and considering they already have mayo and gay at the 2 and 3 and are very weak at the 1 and 5, Harden is a terrible fit for that team.
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harden would form a pretty lethal combo with westbrook, durant and green. though a part of me thinks that they have plenty of perimeter offense and would be better served with a defensive beast center. Clearly thabeet has zero offensive game but I don't see how people are questioning the impact that he can make on the defensive end. With his combo of size and quickness, I think the mutumbo comparisions have a legitimate chance of coming to fruition.
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On June 25 2009 12:29 tenbagger wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 12:18 bdams19 wrote:
I disagree that Rubio is number 2... I think Harden is the most NBA ready and would pick him over Rubio. I don't think there is any disagreement that Harden is the most NBA ready. The question was who would you take #2 if you were Memphis Grizzlies GM and considering they already have mayo and gay at the 2 and 3 and are very weak at the 1 and 5, Harden is a terrible fit for that team.
I think he might not be the best fit but would definitely help their depth. That said, I would trade down in nearly every situation (except this one, since they have 4 first round picks). I honestly have no clue what they are doing this year lol.
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On June 25 2009 12:33 tenbagger wrote:
harden would form a pretty lethal combo with westbrook, durant and green. though a part of me thinks that they have plenty of perimeter offense and would be better served with a defensive beast center. Clearly thabeet has zero offensive game but I don't see how people are questioning the impact that he can make on the defensive end. With his combo of size and quickness, I think the mutumbo comparisions have a legitimate chance of coming to fruition.
Switch Harden with Stephen Curry and that post makes sense.
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He's right... thunder are looking for a 2 guard or center with their pick. I'd be willing to bet they take Thabeet if he's still up there. If they take a 2 guard, it will be Harden. Curry is not big enough to play the 2 in the NBA... there is just absolutely no way he can defend anyone at 6'3. He's going to have to play on a team where he can be a hybrid 1/2.
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On June 25 2009 12:59 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2009 12:33 tenbagger wrote:
harden would form a pretty lethal combo with westbrook, durant and green. though a part of me thinks that they have plenty of perimeter offense and would be better served with a defensive beast center. Clearly thabeet has zero offensive game but I don't see how people are questioning the impact that he can make on the defensive end. With his combo of size and quickness, I think the mutumbo comparisions have a legitimate chance of coming to fruition. Switch Harden with Stephen Curry and that post makes sense.
good point. with russell westbrook's size at the point, the thunder have the flexibility to go with either a smaller 2 or a scoring or combo point guard. Curry seems to get a lot of hate on these boards and he definitely has question marks regarding his size and raw athletic ability but I think he's a tremendous scorer. He may not be able to transistion over to point guard and run a team and he might turn out to be weak defensively but I have confidence that he'll be able to score well at the NBA level and westbrook would be the perfect backcourt tandem to cover his deficiencies.
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On June 25 2009 12:33 tenbagger wrote:
harden would form a pretty lethal combo with westbrook, durant and green. though a part of me thinks that they have plenty of perimeter offense and would be better served with a defensive beast center. Clearly thabeet has zero offensive game but I don't see how people are questioning the impact that he can make on the defensive end. With his combo of size and quickness, I think the mutumbo comparisions have a legitimate chance of coming to fruition.
Thabeet was good at defense in college because of his height and there's little strength training. Just because he played defense there doesn't mean he can do it in the NBA. Mutombo was raw as well, but he played with a better understanding of how defense actually works and how to position himself, plus tremendous energy and strength. For a guy of his frame, Mutombo was extremely difficult to move off the block. I heard Calhoun once gave Thabeet a pat on the back and he immediately cleared out of the way because he thought he was about to get posted up again. Remember what Maxiell did to Howard in the playoffs? This will be a lot worse than that.
People called players like Garnett and Howard raw, but they were actually dominant at lower levels before their refinement and they sure as hell weren't as raw as Thabeet is. He's as big of a project as there ever was and to top it off, he plays without energy and seems to be pretty lazy about basketball. You know there's something bad when no one is mentioning his poor attitude (gl coaching effort) because they're talking about all the other things that need to be developed. The man pulled himself out of the semi-final game in the last few minutes. Do you remember what injury he had? Probably not, because it was ridiculously minor. Way to tough it out.
He's going to get his rookie contract and bolt from the league, or maybe get 1 more contract from some dumb GM (the Clippers/Bucks) who think he just needs a bit more time, and then he'll be set for life.
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would you say hes kwame brown or olawakandi
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Kwame. The first thing I noticed when I watched him play (after I cussed about how many blocks he piled up in a row) is that he looked like he didn't know where he should be when a shot was taken. You expect ball players to have a natural instinct of where the ball is going to go and he was constantly in the wrong spot, or making terrible box outs. It didn't stop him from grabbing 10+ boards, but his body won't let him get away with it very often. Kwame is at least a bit bigger (fatter) but he still looks lost any time the ball bounces off the rim, and his attitude is terrible.
They say he played soccer but I just don't see it. The transition to the NBA is already the hardest for bigs and then you have to factor in that he's so far behind in development, the lazy attitude and durability (which is generally low for big men.) You don't take projects in the first round and you don't take Cs in the top 5 unless they're absolutely fantastic. But what do I know? I'm sure the Grizzlies/Kings execs know what they're doing.
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well shaq's now officially going to cleveland. i heard the cavs could have gotten chandler, but i guess they didnt like his contract. that would have been a great pick up
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Wonder how Orlando/Boston will counter. And even though the 30 point losses will be rough, I look forward to seeing Kwame get his face smashed in 4-5 times this year.
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