• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:43
CET 20:43
KST 04:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.173Evil Geniuses - shutting down17ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League88
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.17 REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Evil Geniuses - shutting down How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR?
Tourneys
2026 KungFu Cup Announcement RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Simple Questions/Answers [G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 548 Shining Bright Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror
Brood War
General
SCHNAIL now supports Remastered Starcraft player cRuZa Passed away. BW General Discussion [BW] Looking for Clan Thread! [ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [$1250] International ShieldBattery League KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4 [BSL23] RO24 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes? General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9608 users

NBA Offseason Thread 2009 - Page 12

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 14 64 Next
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
June 24 2009 15:04 GMT
#221
nice to have picks in a shitty draft
...
tenbagger
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1289 Posts
June 24 2009 15:40 GMT
#222
On June 24 2009 23:51 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Minnesota has so many picks for tomorrow, they traded Mike Miller and Randy Foye to the Wizards for the 5th pick and they already had the 6th. They also have the 18th, 28th, 45th and 47th.



I actually like that move. It's not like they were gonna get anywhere with miller and foye so might as well rebuild with a higher upside rook. Yeah this draft is looking weak but you never know how it will turn out until serveral years later. Minny has a solid frontcourt nucleus and since this draft is heavy on guards, if they can get just one or two of their picks to pan out, they have the makings of a decent team.
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
June 24 2009 15:55 GMT
#223
I also forgot to mention that Wizards gave three of their players, mostly bigger men. So 3 players from Wizards, 5 picks from the draft. That's already 8 players and their roster plus 10 guys after giving away 2 so they have a total of 18 players. They're going to have to alot of cutting.


And are buyouts when teams pay their players or their former team's the amount in their contract? About Jennings, the guy from high school that went to Italy and now is in the draft; most teams aren't sure if they're willing to buy him out of his former team in Europe but I wasn't sure what that meant.
72AND10
Profile Joined January 2009
United States93 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-24 16:23:47
June 24 2009 16:23 GMT
#224
On June 25 2009 00:04 KOFgokuon wrote:
nice to have picks in a shitty shitty fucking draft that sucks a lot of balls
...


Fixed.

But their goal apparently is to package the 5th and 18th pick and trade it for the 2nd pick. I don't know who would trade their 2nd pick for the 5th and 18th because the draft takes a dip after #1 and pretty much a freefall after #5 when looking at talent. I personally wouldn't even trade the #2 pick for a #5/#6 package.

But the Wolves also picked up crappy contracts and scrubs in Oleksiy Pecherov, Etan Thomas and Darius Songaila.

In any event, they better execute their plan and trade up to get themselves in position so they can grab the highest pick.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
June 24 2009 16:29 GMT
#225
On June 25 2009 00:55 il0seonpurpose wrote:
I also forgot to mention that Wizards gave three of their players, mostly bigger men. So 3 players from Wizards, 5 picks from the draft. That's already 8 players and their roster plus 10 guys after giving away 2 so they have a total of 18 players. They're going to have to alot of cutting.


And are buyouts when teams pay their players or their former team's the amount in their contract? About Jennings, the guy from high school that went to Italy and now is in the draft; most teams aren't sure if they're willing to buy him out of his former team in Europe but I wasn't sure what that meant.


Players can agree to terminate their contracts for an amount of money that they negotiate with the team. It can be the full salary (rarely) or less than full (usually, especially when the player is gonna sign somewhere else very quickly).

Basically, in order to terminate, jennings has some sort of clause in his contract that he (or the team that drafts him) must pay 200,000 to his former team.
HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
June 24 2009 17:11 GMT
#226
On June 25 2009 00:40 tenbagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2009 23:51 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Minnesota has so many picks for tomorrow, they traded Mike Miller and Randy Foye to the Wizards for the 5th pick and they already had the 6th. They also have the 18th, 28th, 45th and 47th.



I actually like that move. It's not like they were gonna get anywhere with miller and foye so might as well rebuild with a higher upside rook. Yeah this draft is looking weak but you never know how it will turn out until serveral years later. Minny has a solid frontcourt nucleus and since this draft is heavy on guards, if they can get just one or two of their picks to pan out, they have the makings of a decent team.



Agreed. As a 2008-2009 Mike Miller fantasy owner, I can tell you with certainty that Mike Miller was not a good fit on the Wolves. I honestly do think they might be better with Gomes as starting SF, plus Corey Brewer is coming back, so who knows.

Bassy - Rodney Carney - Brewer - Big Al - Big Love

... ok so that's still a very crappy roster, but what if:

5th pick - 6th pick - Brewer - Big Al - Big Love
with Bassy and Gomes fron the bench?

... ok that's still not a playoff team.


... yet.

returns upon momentous occasions.
BooBoogers
Profile Joined March 2007
United States229 Posts
June 24 2009 17:42 GMT
#227
On June 24 2009 12:52 HonestTea wrote:


PS: Boozer is not "somewhere good"


That depends on what side your on. We (Jazz fans) would love you for taking Boozer off our hands.
Hmmm.....??
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
June 24 2009 17:43 GMT
#228
hahahahaha
i love bill simmons
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090624&sportCat=nba
holy shit that's ridiculous i knew they were bad...but THIS bad?!
72AND10
Profile Joined January 2009
United States93 Posts
June 24 2009 18:08 GMT
#229
Beat me to it man. Amazing article.

"They messed with the Indians. And you don't mess with the Indians. Ever."
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 24 2009 19:57 GMT
#230
You never know how this draft will pan out though - look at last year's draft. That's one of the best draft classes in like the past 20 years (top 6, 7) for sure based on just 1 year of production.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
tiffany
Profile Joined November 2003
3664 Posts
June 24 2009 20:49 GMT
#231
based on production perhaps it makes the top 5, but overall not even close to the best. still a long way to go, but obviously it's impossible to tell as of yet.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
June 24 2009 20:51 GMT
#232
On June 25 2009 04:57 Ace wrote:
You never know how this draft will pan out though - look at last year's draft. That's one of the best draft classes in like the past 20 years (top 6, 7) for sure based on just 1 year of production.

These are some simple facts
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
tenbagger
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1289 Posts
June 24 2009 21:07 GMT
#233
[image loading]

Poll: Worst Draft of the Decade?
(Vote): 2008
(Vote): 2007
(Vote): 2006
(Vote): 2005
(Vote): 2004
(Vote): 2003
(Vote): 2002
(Vote): 2001


2008

1 - Derrick Rose
2 - Michael Beasley
3 - OJ Mayo
4 - Russell Westbrook
5 - Kevin Love
6 - Danilo Galinari
7 - Eric Gordon
8 - Joe Alexander
9 - DJ Augustin
10 - Brook Lopez

Other Notables

14 - Anthony Randolph
25 - Nicolas Batum
27 - Darrell Arthur
34 - Mario Chalmers
35 - DeAndre Jordan

2007

1- Greg Oden
2 - Kevin Durant
3 - Al Horford
4 - Mike Conley
5 - Jeff Green
6 - YI Jianlian
7 - Corey Brewer
8 - Brandan Wright
9 - Joakim Noah
10 - Spencer Hawes

Other Notables:

14 - Al Thornton
15 - Rodney Stuckey
23 - Wilson Chandler
24 - Rudy Fernandez
26 - Aaron Brooks

2006

1 - Andrea Bargnani
2 - LaMarcus Aldridge
3 - Adam Morrison
4 - Tyrus Thomas
5 - Shelden Williams
6 - Brandon Roy
7 - Randy Foye
8 - Rudy Gay
9 - Patrick O Bryant
10 - Saer Sene

Other Notables:

14 - Ronnie Brewer
21 - Rajon Rondo
26 - Jordan Farmar
42 - Daniel Gibson
47 - Paul Millsap

2005

1 - Andrew Bogut
2 - Marvin Williams
3 - Deron Williams
4 - Chris Paul
5 - Raymond Felton
6 - Martell Webster
7 - Charlie Villanueva
8 - Channing Frye
9 - Ike Diogu
10 - Andrew Bynum

Other Notables:

17 - Danny Granger
21 - Nate Robinson
26 - Jason Maxiell
30 - David Lee
57 - Marcin Gortat

Honorable HT Mention goes to AMIR JOHNSON @ 56

2004

1 - Dwight Howard
2 - Emeka Okafor
3 - Ben Gordon
4 - Shaun Livingston
5 - Devin Harris
6 - Josh Childress
7 - Luol Deng
8 - Rafael Araujo
9 - Andre Iguodala
10 - Luke Jackson

Other Notables:

11 - Andris Biedrins
15 - Al Jefferson
17 - Josh Smith
26 - Kevin Martin
43 - Trevor Ariza

2003

1 - Lebron James
2 - Darko Milicic
3 - Carmelo Anthony
4 - Chris Bosh
5 - Dwayne Wade
6 - Chris Kaman
7 - Kirk Hinrich
8 - TJ Ford
9 - Mike Sweetney
10 - Jarvis Hayes

Other Notables:

18 - David West
21 - Boris Diaw
28 - Leandro Barbosa
29 - Josh Howard
38 - Steve Blake

2002

1 - Yao Ming
2 - Jason Williams
3 - Mike Dunleavy
4 - Drew Gooden
5 - Nikoloz Tskitishvili
6 - Dajuan Wagner
7 - Nene Hilario
8 - Chris Wilcox
9 - Amare Stoudemire
10 - Caron Butler

Other Notables:

23 - Tayshaun Prince
24 - Nenad Krstic
26 - John Salmons
34 - Carlos Boozer
55 - Luis Scola

2001

1 - Kwame Brown
2 - Tyson Chandler
3 - Pau Gasol
4 - Eddy Curry
5 - Jason Richardson
6 - Shane Battier
7 - Eddie Griffin
8 - DeSagana Diop
9 - Rodney White
10 - Joe Johnson

Other Notables:

13 - Richard Jefferson
19 - Zach Randolph
25 - Gerald Wallace
28 - Tony Parker
37 - Mehmet Okur


tenbagger
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1289 Posts
June 24 2009 21:09 GMT
#234
obv 2003 is the best draft in recent memory
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
June 24 2009 21:22 GMT
#235
Wheres 2000? Cause I'll pick that one for being the worst.
God Bless
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
June 24 2009 21:28 GMT
#236
2002 is pretty bad :/
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
bdams19
Profile Joined January 2005
United States1316 Posts
June 24 2009 21:30 GMT
#237
it's tough to say which is the worst because it all comes down to how you weigh superstars vs good players and how much you value depth... after 06.

Roy, Aldridge, Rondo.... drop off.

Somehow the Blazers ended up with the talent from 06 with Roy and Aldridge (through great trades no less), but Rudy Gay looked primed to have a career year until Mayo and Conley came his way. Tyrus Thomas is a freak of an athlete and should be a solid player next year (stop me if you've ever heard that before lol). Other than Roy, there really are no super stars in this draft but there is ton of potential in Gay, Thomas, Bargnani, Brewer, and Millsap.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
June 24 2009 21:30 GMT
#238
2002 is bad, but man 2000 had absolutely no one. At least 2002 came out with players like Yao, Boozer, Butler. 2000 had uhh Kenyon Martin.
God Bless
bdams19
Profile Joined January 2005
United States1316 Posts
June 24 2009 21:35 GMT
#239
2002 has way too many big names for me to say its the worst...

Yao, Butler, Amare, Boozer, Tayshaun and to a lesser extent Nene and Salmons (who both had solid years this past season)
HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-24 21:48:46
June 24 2009 21:44 GMT
#240
The FreeDarko book has a whole section on the 2000 draft - or in their words, "A Legacy of Ruin and Evil"

It's just a brutal draft. Remember, Mike Miller ROY.

[edit]

Honorable HT Mention goes to AMIR JOHNSON @ 56


Thanks, Tenbagger. I knew you were looking out for me. Although I don't like his chances under Skiles.
returns upon momentous occasions.
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 14 64 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 17m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 416
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 906
BeSt 399
Leta 201
Dewaltoss 120
Sexy 40
ProTech37
Trap 29
Dota 2
Gorgc14828
qojqva1944
420jenkins233
BananaSlamJamma98
LuMiX0
Counter-Strike
shoxiejesuss981
edward37
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu441
Trikslyr83
Other Games
Grubby2706
B2W.Neo710
Beastyqt616
FrodaN558
ToD204
C9.Mang060
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 36
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 21
• FirePhoenix12
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2567
• WagamamaTV535
League of Legends
• Nemesis2552
• Jankos2264
• TFBlade831
Other Games
• imaqtpie753
• Shiphtur525
Upcoming Events
OSC
3h 17m
KCM Race Survival
14h 17m
IntoTheTV X SOOP
15h 17m
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
OSC
1d 2h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 16h
GSL
1d 16h
Epic.LAN
1d 17h
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Epic.LAN
2 days
[ Show More ]
AI Arena Tournament
2 days
Yamato Cup
3 days
Map Test Tournament
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Rogue vs Classic
Patches Events
5 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-27
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2026-27
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.