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On October 01 2008 04:58 MYM.Testie wrote:
LOL TYGS
YOU HAVE NO IDEA
LOL
Please, I highly doubt a competent player with a range Solo like Viper or SF or Zues can't handle a solo meepo in mid. ._.
Or a competent team that goes duo-mid, if your play with Meepo is that immaculate.
Unless they significantly boosted Meepo since .50, and people use Meepo as solo in competitive play, your Meepo only works on TL. Which is like every other carry hero. I'm sure you can do worst with Morph or something.
Edit: Worst meaning more damage. >.> I need food.
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man dota replays are like date rape drugs, I watched one at 4 o'clock in the afternoon and it just knocked me out until 7pm.
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nah TYG, im gonna disagree. the one thing i'll agree on is that a good solo can lane against meepo well while leveling and farming, but once meepo hits level 6 you're gonna have a lot of pressure. or what i usually do is have my 2nd guy go jungle/pull while leveling much faster than you.
the meepo doesn't have to try to last hit everything cuz against some heroes, yes, he will get himself harassed the fuck out but onec you hit level 6, everything changes.
i've seen chu soloing meepo vs dual lanes (competitive play game) and still doing decent.. up to level 6. after that, it was just rape
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btw testie im posting your rep on ogame to see if someone will get a team and challenge you
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On October 01 2008 08:23 BlueRoyaL wrote:
nah TYG, im gonna disagree. the one thing i'll agree on is that a good solo can lane against meepo well while leveling and farming, but once meepo hits level 6 you're gonna have a lot of pressure. or what i usually do is have my 2nd guy go jungle/pull while leveling much faster than you.
the meepo doesn't have to try to last hit everything cuz against some heroes, yes, he will get himself harassed the fuck out but onec you hit level 6, everything changes.
i've seen chu soloing meepo vs dual lanes (competitive play game) and still doing decent.. up to level 6. after that, it was just rape
I'm sorry, I kind of find it hard to believe a duo-stun and range lane will have a hard time against meepo.
I would find it even harder to believe if the Lesh/Lina/SK/Sven type of lane would lose to a meepo.
I just can't see why, I may be out, but I can't see how two meepos (saying level6+) can beat out Lesh/Lina/Sven/SK. The two stuns and nukes should ravage Meepo. Sending a clone away to neuts or something would still leave one meepo to fight two stunning heros.
Someone explain to me why Meepo is apparently an awesome hero to solo.
Since when did Meepo become better than Zues/SF/Viper as solo. SF would just massacre with his DPS, Raze and Requiem. Zues with the crazy burst should hold out for a long time. Viper's orb harass should hold down Meepo long enough for him to get some decent farming done.
The duo-lanes, I don't think I need to explain. The burst from the two stuns alone should do some decent damage, and not to mention the hitting time from the stuns. Also laning with Lesh OR Lina would bring in spamming spells or huge burst damage. Doesn't Laguna spell trouble for Meepo? And Lesh has enough AoE to do damage. Sven and SK are strong Melee heros, one having cleave and the other having innate crit.
T_T
I just don't see it, how someone could lose in middle with those heros if they were at the same skill level.
I need to watch that replay.
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meepo before 6 can't farm vs most dual lanes, but if you put like a es/pom lane vs meepo then the other lanes will have a really good time. Meepo only needs to get to 6 on a lane anyway, then he can get experience and money no matter what happens from jungles/ganks/other lanes, etc.
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On October 01 2008 08:52 [TYG]Transcend wrote:
T_T
I just don't see it, how someone could lose in middle with those heros if they were at the same skill level.
I need to watch that replay.
they wouldn't. but the qualification (the if part) you provided isn't very common in TL games 
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The problem with meepo tygs is that his first couple items are extremely cheap, and even being delayed to a 15 minutes treads/headdress/rob, but having a level 8-10 meepo, means he will still rape any hero. The moment meepo gets treads, even if he has zero cs until after 6 (which wont happen if the meepo is really good, will be low, but he will have some kills), he will still have an easy time getting treads, raping any hero 1v1 (with very few exceptions).
As testie has said, the problem is you have to deal with keeping meepo some what contained AND ganking the hell out of his allies so they can't farm.
Testie can go 1v2, 1v1 in mid, doesnt matter, soon as he hits 6 he is fine and will out level everyone in the game normally (there are times he doesn't). All he is soloing for is the added exp bonus to hit 6 faster than 8 other people.
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I can understand that he will level faster etc etc.
But how do you LOSE in a lane against Meepo?
Well the purposed 30min pushing thing would keep him from constantly farming his heart away. I think a 5v5 fight in mid at 30min with like an actual team of heros that have synergy would do fine, it would just be like any normal game. Also, 2 roamers would keep Meepo and the other heros in check.
Also if a Meepo is in a game, shouldn't the opponents ensure that they have sufficient AoE or burst damage? Lina providing somewhat both, Lesh providing AoE and spam, and so on.
Also remember that I said if this was limited to TL, Testie could pick ANY carry hero and have the same effect or even greater. Last I remembered, Testie's Morphling was quite devastating in TL games, but frankly was average in the CW's I saw him in.
So I'll ask again, is Meepo even considered in competitive games now? Or is it the matter of just the lack of knowledge on how to take down Testie's Meepo in TL?
My challenge still stands, if Alven would join my team and play and SL/JF are free then + any competent player.
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I think eddie is gonna bring tpd to play your meepo testie, date/time pending.
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Tyg, no one is saying they lose lane to meepo, before level 6. Meepo is a weak hero by his one self. Once he hits 6 however, its a completely different game, whoever was mid is now vs 2 heroes, changing the game significantly. If the meepo did correct build he can kill most every hero that laned against him at level 6.
Even with a dual stun lane, meepo at level 6 wont be a problem. But once meepo starts getting items from jungle (which you cant stop without giving up another lane/mid lane hero letting meepo farm in lane), then he will just spread you out too thin. Im not even talking about testie's meepo here, any competent meepo can do this, focusing on jungle or keeping a full hp meepo in lane at all times so you burn mana on one and he just poofs one in and lets weak one leave.
Im willing to play against him, im not saying he is unbeatable, just saying that meepo is an extremely strong hero when played correctly.
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two meepos still get raped by a dual stun.
lol ... ?
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(Excluding really competent players, you can have like, Kelf) Well, he loses automatically then. That's clearly not fair.
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TYG you're kind of misunderstanding. I'm said if the meepo player is any good, he won't lose any lane. he doesn't need to try to win or lose the lane. if you see that the lane you're against is really tough and will shut you down, then you just stand back for exp, getting a few creep kills when you can.
like some people said above, once you get your str treads and level 6, you can rape so well. his strength just progresses with the game.
and yes, meepo is played competitively from time to time, most commonly seen in a lot of asian teams.
if you're a bit outdated on the posts that have been made in this topic recently, you should look up replays of chu cuz he's known for his killer meepo. i think he played him in KOR vs CHINA wcg game recently and he solod meepo on bottom (sentinel) vs dual lane and still did fine. of course, in a real game, if you're solo-ing meepo and having a really hard time, you can just ask for ganks and it should be np with your nets etc
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Stop theorycrafting and beat it then. Tygs isn't allowed to talk on the subject as he's an observer and not a player. You can theorycraft all you want, but until you play in the lane and make me say, 'wow you sure were right, viper > meepo?'
That raperi game was bullshit. There was some ok plays but it was a game riddled with mistakes. That's not the norm and wasn't due to excellent play. That was my repeated mistakes early on.
When people play excellently I give them props. i.e. the complete dismantling of the Testie/JF team today. That was really, really good and coordinated play. Like really, really sexy. While it is arguable that you had great heros for it, really actually getting the most out of your heros (as you guys did) was really nice.
When I feel my meepo was actually challenged and beaten rather than my having a rare off game, then I will tell you when it's happened.
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It's pretty dumb to set the bar at beating testie/jf when any combination of players that isn't mentally retarded can do so
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Clearly that's an accept to my challenge.
This Sunday, shall we say, 1pm after everyone has had lunch?
I'd like my last player to be...SJ or Dark Cell or whomever is online at the time actually, doesn't matter, as long as I have the other 3.
I hope I can get in a few more games in between so I can brush off more of this rust.
And just for the record, just because I don't believe Testie's Meepo solo is that much of a game clincher, doesn't mean I, myself, can take it down Solo. Considering my current shape, that is. Just putting that out there so people wont flame me to death not solo'ing him. Or will I? Who knows.
One last theorycrafting, Alven, do you believe SF/Viper/Zues would lose to Meepo 1v1 mid lane? Not like all the way, but like, for a good while.
Oh btw, Eddie Li?! The old eNe player? He's with Excello now right?
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SF / Zeus will lose.
Viper won't, but he won't win either.
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