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SayaSP
Laos5494 Posts
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nataziel
Australia1455 Posts
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
On June 11 2009 10:57 nataziel wrote: sagat is so fucking imba. no. this is imba: don't even put sagat into anywhere near that kind of category | ||
Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On June 11 2009 11:17 anotak wrote: don't even put sagat into anywhere near that kind of category You really think a character that's in his own tier at the top of the list isn't imbalanced? That's a stupid argument, anyway. It's like those people who justify anything the US does wrong by comparing them to North Korea. | ||
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
On June 11 2009 11:21 Bill307 wrote: You really think a character that's in his own tier at the top of the list isn't imbalanced? So you're saying that he's more imbalanced than Toki in HNK or Magneto in MvC2? Both of these characters share a tier with other characters as opposed to sagat. On the other hand, on the tier list I looked at earlier for Guilty Gear: Accent Core, Eddie is S tier with no other character, this must mean he's extremely broken and the game is most imbalanced. Really, he's not that broken. Learn your matchup against him, just like you have to against every other character (in every other fighting game), and you'll be fine. Sure, it's not as balanced as Starcraft, but that's what you get for not playing Starcraft. edit: Really, I can't understand why people would continually bring it up though, i never saw people on this thread complaining about chun or yun... | ||
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On June 11 2009 11:44 anotak wrote: So you're saying that he's more imbalanced than Toki in HNK or Magneto in MvC2? Both of these characters share a tier with other characters as opposed to sagat. "If A then B" does not imply "If not-A then not-B". Honestly, if you can't follow even the most basic rules of logic, then you're not worth arguing with. Sagat is imbalanced and everyone seems to realize it except you. And now you're mad 'cause you forgot all the times we shat on the balance in 3s? Out of curiosity, does this have anything to do with the fact that (iirc) you play Sagat? | ||
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New Zealand6138 Posts
On June 11 2009 11:44 anotak wrote: edit: Really, I can't understand why people would continually bring it up though, i never saw people on this thread complaining about chun or yun... I don't bring it up 'cuz I try to forget 3S exists! also Eddie is 'broken' in the sense that he has good (6-4 or better) matchups against every character with like a couple of exceptions iirc, but the game is still playable | ||
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
Two of us said the obvious fact that Sagat is imbalanced, and you apparently lost your mind. By the way, Vega is imbalanced too: he's in a lonely bottom tier and he sucks. I lost to a Vega player online once. I didn't know how to play against him and the other guy was good: by the 3rd round he was 100% exploiting the gaps in my matchup knowledge. I was impressed by how he played. But Vega still sucks. | ||
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
On June 11 2009 12:15 Bill307 wrote: "If A then B" does not imply "If not-A then not-B". Honestly, if you can't follow even the most basic rules of logic, then you're not worth arguing with. Sagat is imbalanced and everyone seems to realize it except you. And now you're mad 'cause you forgot all the times we shat on the balance in 3s? Out of curiosity, does this have anything to do with the fact that (iirc) you play Sagat? Yes, he's imbalanced. I'm not arguing that he's not. I'm saying that people shouldn't complain about him. Yes, I do play as him. I also play as Cammy in Super Turbo (not HD), who happens to be a bottom tier character. I also do NOT complain about matchups like Cammy vs. Honda or Cammy vs. Deejay which are FAR FAR FAR FAR worse than any matchup anyone playing SF4 has to endure. That shit is what a real bad matchup is about, nothing in SF4 is remotely like that. And no, it's not like north korea at all. I just see people all the time using cries of imbalance as a crutch to their losses or others' losses when most of the time it's a 5-5 or a 6-4 matchup they're talking about. Sagat vs. Fuerte is a 6-4? how is that remotely close to "fucking imba"? It's mildly imba, but you're not going to get a fighting game without 6-4 matchups, what do you expect? Don't go complain about a 6-4 matchup, go learn it and rape Sagat next time. Every character in SF4 is tournament playable (maybe not Dan). yeah, I suppose I'm a little bit annoyed, part of it is that the Sagat forums is filled with people playing other characters coming on there and bitching and it drowns out any useful posts. so, I guess apologies, you do have a point, he is mildly imbalanced... but he's really not worth complaining about. He doesn't rape any member of the cast outright, he just has no bad matchups. on a mildly related note, does any of the Arcana Heart or Guilty Gear games have a matchup chart somewhere? I can find tier lists but I can't find matchup charts (yes, I tried google). edit: woah people making posts in this thread before i get to read them, ninja. sec let me read all this | ||
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
Imo, you should have replied to nataziel with something like "it's only a 6-4 matchup". Bringing all kinds of other games into it is just confusing and doesn't get your point across at all. | ||
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myrmidon2537
Philippines2188 Posts
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Etherone
United States1898 Posts
people are going to complain because it simply is true, and they shouldn't stop simply because you don't want to be bothered at SRK, or because there have been more imbalanced characters in games before him. I get the feeling you don't play him because he is top tier, but it still doesn't change the fact that he is. it's quite a bit more than "he just has no bad matchups" it's not a game wrecker, but I would prefer they Nerfed him. ( or buffed akuma ^ ^) | ||
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Trumpet
United States1936 Posts
At some point viper, geif, ryu and akuma were all considered to be on the same tier as sagat. Sagat is simply the only one who's stayed up there for most of the game being out (originally Rufus was considered top, so sagat hasnt actually always been the best). Learn the matchups, not the charts, and sagat seems much less imbalanced. I'm 100% with anotak in this one. I play other characters in tournaments and money matches purely to shut haters like you up. Although you (bill) have previously admitted you think 4 is an execution heavy game and that dash cancels are hard, so honestly I think your knowledge of the game is pretty limited compared to AH, 3s etc. And just so you know, I played geif vs sung_moon's sagat earlier today, it's not that I'm never on the other end. In fact, the last MM I played I actually won playing balrog vs sagat. (Emphasis on money being on the line!) In retrospect this is coming off way more offensive than I intended, but it's a pet peeve and I'm way too tired to edit it down right now lol | ||
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Etherone
United States1898 Posts
i don't hate on sagat or sagat players, I realize that it takes skill to consistently perform regardless of your character, and i don't dodge sagat MUs, or go on SRK sagat forums and talk shit about the balance. oh and i went to the sagat forum, and i can now see why you are pretty mad about the balance spammers, that place is a joke, every other char has useful information readily available and a helpful community, and in the sagat forums i believe there was even a thread called: how would you nerf sagat. everyone there is either pissed off or trolling. bottom line if sagat beats me 1000 times in a row, everyone of those times i know it's going to be because i messed up, the imbalance in him is not enough for me to blame anyone but myself for losing, but they could make my life easier ^ ^ | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Of course, balance between characters doesn't make a great game (it just helps). As of late I'm getting tired of low jabbing/shorting, so as of yesterday I'm learning Dhalsim. I guess all I ever liked about Dictator was abusing s.hk as much as possible and ex headstomp for other anti-air, anyway.  P.S. if I played it, I would definitely complain about ST Cammy vs. E. Honda all day. Also, Akuma is decent against Sagat. He can actually make Sagat come to him rather than the over way around, and EX demon flip is a great combo starter vs. predictable. | ||
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
On June 11 2009 17:43 Trumpet wrote: Although you (bill) have previously admitted you think 4 is an execution heavy game and that dash cancels are hard, so honestly I think your knowledge of the game is pretty limited compared to AH, 3s etc. I said that they are hard from the perspective of someone new. I can do them just fine. But thanks for calling me a shitty player. | ||
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myrmidon2537
Philippines2188 Posts
Get raped ez | ||
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MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
only way to settle it is a BIG STAKES MONEY MATCH | ||
Harem
United States11393 Posts
On June 12 2009 01:56 MCMcEmcee wrote: oop aww dramas in fg thread only way to settle it is a BIG STAKES MONEY MATCH Not like this would ever even happen anyways. | ||
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