So, before we get 6.50 what do you think are the best hero combos for Scourge and Sentinel?
I did some testing with my friends and pretty sick combo with scourge would be:
Lich
Shadow Fiend
Magnataur
Tidehunter
Pitlord

It's quite astounding what happens when you do it like:
Tide ulti -> magna ulti -> pitlord pit+rain+explosions -> lich ulti -> sf ulti
Horrendous damage and enemies can't really do much about it, definitely can't run away.

We didn't manage to come up with similarily good sent lineup though

Any ideas?

btw. 6.50 beta has been leaked:
http://www.wtfdota.com/

Heen

Korea (South)2178 Posts

January 09 2008 16:53 GMT

replace lich tidehunter pitlord with QoP leshrac sand king

sent: silencer thd potm furion bm

What'd you think?

Manit0u

Poland17769 Posts

January 09 2008 17:04 GMT

Pitlord is a must have. Best hero evah!

Heen

Korea (South)2178 Posts

January 09 2008 17:24 GMT

I say he's an imcomptent fatty!

I don't like ult dependant lineups.

Zelniq

United States7166 Posts

January 09 2008 18:00 GMT

speaking of Pit Lord, how come people dont use his ult more to gank? doesnt seem hard, just have an allied hero or 2 stand next to pitlord and select a lane where your creeps are nearby his hero..

also doing some theorycrafting, seems like Expulsion (an ability many forego it seems) would be kind of decent with ES's ult

k3fka

Argentina1267 Posts

January 09 2008 18:36 GMT

my best combo would be Magna soloing mid , Qop soloing up , Sven Lina down and Bm Jungling.

KOFgokuon

United States14912 Posts

January 09 2008 18:38 GMT

Is 6.50 supposed to have big changes? I've been bored with dota for a while and will only get back into it if there's a bunch of new heroes / items to try out

Hyperionnn

Turkey4968 Posts

January 09 2008 18:41 GMT

On January 10 2008 01:46 Manit0u wrote:
So, before we get 6.50 what do you think are the best hero combos for Scourge and Sentinel?
I did some testing with my friends and pretty sick combo with scourge would be:
Lich
Shadow Fiend
Magnataur
Tidehunter
Pitlord

It's quite astounding what happens when you do it like:
Tide ulti -> magna ulti -> pitlord pit+rain+explosions -> lich ulti -> sf ulti
Horrendous damage and enemies can't really do much about it, definitely can't run away.

We didn't manage to come up with similarily good sent lineup though

Any ideas?

btw. 6.50 beta has been leaked:
http://www.wtfdota.com/

Mass AoE is owned at lanes now. 1-1.5 years ago, It was all about area damage and own but now, at competitive play you need good lane controllers and gankers, this team will owned and with mass BKB's you can't do nothing.

There's no dream hero combo atm, everything depends on your teammate's style and choice to control your lane good.

zizou21

United States3683 Posts

January 09 2008 18:41 GMT

a fun one my friend and i like to do is dark seer / weaver

EDIT: oh i didnt know this was lineup thread. OP's lineup is garbage btw

naventus

United States1338 Posts

January 09 2008 19:14 GMT

#10

Pitlord and Tide are trash. And even lich is only used only in anti-specific hero situations. I do believe AoE play could work well at low levels (CAL-O) because people are not good/coordinated enough to effectively slow you down enough.

But as said, you will be punished to no end by a good team.

{ToT}Strafe

Thailand7026 Posts

January 09 2008 20:22 GMT

#11

Dont trash my tide plz, I love him~~!!!

Okay he does suck laning often

rpf

United States2705 Posts

January 09 2008 21:14 GMT

#12

On January 10 2008 03:36 k3fka wrote:
my best combo would be Magna soloing mid , Qop soloing up , Sven Lina down and Bm Jungling.

I'm curious, how do you jungle effectively?

I've tried it with heroes like Naix (the old one) and Axe, but after about level four I fall behind in levels. I don't have a replay so obviously people can't pick out specific mistakes, but some general tips on how to effectively jungle would be good.

I always avoid the higher level neutral creep spots until I'm actually high enough to take them on, so I don't know.

naventus

United States1338 Posts

January 09 2008 22:01 GMT

#13

Most heroes jungle differently. Typically heroes that rely on bottle are the best at jungling because it's such a strong way to stay in the lane.

Naix is an example of a hero that can't really jungle before gaining some levels in lane first - he's just too slow.

Furion, on the other hand, is like a really easy jungle - can do with just clarities.

Gaetele

Esper760 Posts

January 09 2008 22:43 GMT

#14

There's the jungling B-trio!

Beastmaster
Broodmother
Bristleback

All heroes that have perfect jungling capability with not much more than some Clarities and later on a Bottle (Broodmother does fine with just a Ring of Basilius, no Bottle needed).

Not to mention other good jungling heroes like

Undying
Centaur
Axe

etc.

paper

13196 Posts

January 10 2008 00:00 GMT

#15

6.5 leaked doesnt seem to work O_O

JeeJee

Canada5652 Posts

January 10 2008 00:47 GMT

#16

On January 10 2008 06:14 rpf wrote:

Show nested quote +

learn the basic idea to jungle with your hero (some just attack move like undying, some can easily double or triple pull spawns like furion and beastmaster, etc)
learn the jungle pulls

and practice a bit.
i had a chart somewhere that showed all the timings. i dunno where it is. if in doubt, pull at ;53. bottom sentinel into lane pull is at ;15 or ;45, lowest level scourge is at ;11 or ;41

here's a vid that got me to practice jungling:

btw jungling sux.

edit: can't find my chart, so i shamelessly steal some from internet
+ Show Spoiler [pull timings] +

+ Show Spoiler [respawn zones] +

respawn zones = if anything is in that area during the respawn time, nothing will spawn. this includes corpses, heros and so on. corpses take 16seconds to decay iirc

lololol

5198 Posts

January 10 2008 01:05 GMT

#17

On January 10 2008 09:00 paper wrote:
6.5 leaked doesnt seem to work O_O

What do you mean?
IIRC there is a protection if you try playing it in multiplayer, so you have to spoof your name to IceFrog or some tester

I didn't have any problems in single player to check out the item changes, so I doubt you would. Also, the hacked versions of Xantan have this protection removed.
If the map doesn't start at all, probably the download screwed up and you should just redownload.
Once I even had a corrupted download, that actually ran in the game and the map had some strange and widly different textures all over the place, lol.

paper

13196 Posts

January 10 2008 01:39 GMT

#18

oh, yeah the xantan ones worked :}

orchid = oblivion x3 = -_-;;;;

BottleAbuser

Korea (South)1888 Posts

January 10 2008 02:32 GMT

#19

I'd definitely replace pit lord with sand king or... almost anything else. He's slow and sucks at getting last hit, and his skills aren't very high damage anyways: consider that most stuns will do both the damage and the disable (in a single spell) that two of his skills will manage. And his skill cooltimes aren't even on the low side, either, so in a longer fight you'd get off two skills instead of the one combo that pit lord could do.

Gaetele

Esper760 Posts

January 10 2008 03:23 GMT

#20

btw, those versions of the 6.50 beta are a bit outdated (I think the most recent one that's leaked is Beta version 11 and I'm pretty sure we're on Beta version 14 or 15 now.)