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SwaY-
Dominican Republic463 Posts
On January 06 2010 18:07 Manit0u wrote: At least they didn't nerf Predator. People seriously have no idea how to play/counter him properly in pubs (which only works to my benefit). Enlighten me. I tend to suck with him, and tend to lose to him  | ||
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m1LkmaN
Australia82 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On January 06 2010 18:09 SwaY- wrote: Enlighten me. I tend to suck with him, and tend to lose to him 2nded OT, lol | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17257 Posts
On January 06 2010 18:09 SwaY- wrote: Enlighten me. I tend to suck with him, and tend to lose to him Ehh, it's quite easy actually. He's one bad ass motherfucker, just like Maliken, uber strong but underplayed for the most part. Some most common mistakes people make with him (itemwise): Elder Parasite and Ghost Marchers. What does it give you? +ias, +ms, +dmg, +lifesteal, +dmg taken, creepwalking What does Predator already have built in? +dmg, +lifesteal, leap (even better than creepwalking as it doubles up as nuke), slow (which gets rid of ms problems for the most part) Summary: With this 2 items you get +ias, +dmg taken and that's it. Not really worth it for the price included. What does Predator NOT have? HP. That's your primary concern, his statgains are terrible and you must offset it with items. My build on him: ![[image loading]](http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2161/95853144.jpg) Start with hatchet, some tangos and cheap +stats. Proceed on building Helm of Black Legion -> Steamboots (much better than marchers on him, they give you dmg, ias and hp) -> whatever suits you better at the moment (+dmg, +str or +ias items), be it Insanitarius (when strapped for cash), Shieldbreaker (for some cheap, early ownage), DualBrand (no idea how it's called, Sange and Yasha) for some nice +everything, Behemoth Heart (when you feel your survivability is not enough), Demonic Breastplate (for some more ownage, this +ult = mass -11 armour, nifty), Riftshards (very underused item, lets you kill people in 2 hits) etc. With the items shown in the image above I was able to a-move into enemy base, watch Magmus, Hellbringer, Moon Queen, Deadwood and Madman use everything they got on me (all ults etc.) which brought me to about half my hp (~4k hp and ~40hp/sec regen helps a lot) and then I proceeded to kill them all. Counters: - just like with any other carry - you let him farm -> you die - early ganks - tons of disable (he has auto-included shrunken head with lesser cooldown and +armour bonus, beware!) - barbed armour - permastuns Probably the biggest problem with countering him is that you need hp to do it and the more hp you have, the more he hurts you. Soloing him is nigh-impossible. It's a beast  | ||
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TS-Rupbar
Sweden1089 Posts
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
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paper
13196 Posts
or Booty groove? | ||
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
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Arhkangel
Argentina769 Posts
So now Torturer can interupt channels or not? I love the changes to Pudge, Glacious and Venom. Don't cry over SW everyone knew this was coming. I don't like the nerf to Puppet  I guess Swiftblade is viable now. That is some serious buffs there. Dead needs a little more nerf. When are they going to give Hellbringer feets! He looks so wierd with a vacuum under his robe. Maybe they fixed it gonna have to check later. What are stairs? Will we be able to make maps with several levels? It would be so awsome to play HoN in a castle like setting :p | ||
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TS-Rupbar
Sweden1089 Posts
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
I think he was nerfed over and over again solely because of me being too baller with him in those tournaments. Testie got puppet nerfed to shit. =( | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
also thank god hellbringer's life void got nerfed to bits, he no longer rapes middle now swiftblade is really sick now, tho i imagine they may nerf before patch (this is just test patch notes) | ||
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
On January 07 2010 05:48 Zelniq wrote: oh testie sometimes you are too full of yourself, as if they'd seriously nerf a hero cus of 1 player. I talkeds tos the guy who maed gaeims and he says it testie's fault. Fuck you testie ze. On January 07 2010 03:35 Arhkangel wrote: Wow some of those changes are baller! So now Torturer can interupt channels or not? I love the changes to Pudge, Glacious and Venom. Don't cry over SW everyone knew this was coming. I don't like the nerf to Puppet I guess Swiftblade is viable now. That is some serious buffs there. Dead needs a little more nerf. When are they going to give Hellbringer feets! He looks so wierd with a vacuum under his robe. Maybe they fixed it gonna have to check later. Torturer: probably. Though I hope this doesn't go through as the range is retarded. Glacius is going to be grief time ;3 AND WHAT BETTER EXCUSE IS THERE THAN 'I WAS GIVING YOU 80% DAMAGE REDUCTION' I'm glad Jacob isn't here to gypsy stuff up like he does in DotA with veno with these changes. FFFFFFUUUUU SPECTRE I really wish one of these days, somebody just says 'fuck it, we're bringing back super awesome random dispersion' Swiftblade changes aren't going through. If they do, I'm going to be a sad ze. The cooldown change can go through, I don't care about that. But the fact that you can attack while spinning at level 4 is just ridiculous. Now not only do I have to worry about taking 700 magic damage, but this fucker is also attacking me with a stupidly baller crit. And if I manage to survive that, OH I'M OMNISLASHING YOU, IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THERE'S 50 CREEPS AROUND, YOU'RE TAKING 8 HITS WITH ANOTHER 5+ ATTACKS IN BETWEEN THAT CAN ALSO CRIT BECAUSE I'M THE FUCKING JUGGERNAUT. What are stairs? Will we be able to make maps with several levels? It would be so awsome to play HoN in a castle like setting :p I'm hoping these stupid stairs go where ramps are supposed to be. Because I still can't tell where the fuck they are visually. | ||
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Elegance
Canada917 Posts
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17257 Posts
I dare you to beat my score! Requirements: Drink 6 beers (at least 5% alc in them) Play 3v5 with 2 agi heroes on your side | ||
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
On January 07 2010 06:18 Elegance wrote: So Corrupted disciple can see invisi units now as long as they are linked together? Not sure. Vision is different from truesight. | ||
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
and yes there are stairs in place of every ramp on the map | ||
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