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Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
September 09 2009 18:15 GMT
#10421
generally, most skills that go through BKB to disable are ults:

necro, vengeful, bane, rexxar, pudge, lich, sniper, wl, tb off the top of my head.

also ranged bash doesnt proc vs BKB. I remember a SF that got MKB because I was tinker LOL
('''(G_G/'''')
bhp255
Profile Joined July 2008
United States600 Posts
September 09 2009 18:18 GMT
#10422
hey, by the way, are the HoN keys still going around? i'd like to try it out :O
Following Okazaki's steps to becoming a Fuuko Master
bhp255
Profile Joined July 2008
United States600 Posts
September 09 2009 18:20 GMT
#10423
On September 10 2009 03:14 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2009 03:12 bhp255 wrote:
oops, i didnt mean to put "exact numbers"
i just got caught up on the train of thought after reading so many posts
i was actually referring to the color coding being nice (not only for noobs but even for players like me... i still dunno all the damage types for all skills )
even if it's not color-coded, something like "affected by armor" or "Physical dmg" or even just a 'Ph' for phys, 'p' for pure and 'm' for magic would be quite useful imo


Hell I think the one they used for that big list of every hero's spell is very simple and clean.

yeah.... all icefrog needs to do now is type it in the actual map :D
Following Okazaki's steps to becoming a Fuuko Master
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
September 09 2009 18:21 GMT
#10424
bhps, if you get a key, get a few so that i can try it out with you :3
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-09 18:23:42
September 09 2009 18:23 GMT
#10425
PM me your email, I'll fire one at you ;o

Same applies to you L ;p
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-09 18:27:16
September 09 2009 18:25 GMT
#10426
i sent em both a key already^_^

just kidding this never happened
dont message me
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
September 09 2009 18:26 GMT
#10427
Don't mention it too much, or one post wonders will start spamming for keys in here
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
September 09 2009 18:26 GMT
#10428
yay :3
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
September 09 2009 18:30 GMT
#10429
On September 10 2009 03:14 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
Having a tooltip that says 225 (300)? Ok, it can't hurt but really is it worth it? It's as trivial as newbies not know hitting different parts of the body in CS does varying damage.
Its not so much for the flat 300 damage skills, but for stuff like lina's ult, other non 300 damage skills, and the exact standard damage on level 2-3 skills. These are important numbers when people learn how to lane; being able to see how much hp you need to survive through a combo in a dual lane, for instance, would help a lot of players not get assraped when they're learning the game.

And as for is it worth it:

What's the cost? 2 hours of putting 20 extra characters into a tooltip? You realize they rewrote the majority of tooltips a few versions back, right?

If icefrog is going to do things like completely revamp the shop system (which no one who plays really needed), then why wouldn't they clarify basic shit about the heros you're using?

Show nested quote +
When avatared, you get stunned but take no damage from spells?
Its more retarded than that. Overgrowth will root you through avatar, but using avatar while rooted will dispel the effect. There are plenty of retarded effects like that.


L, the problem is once stuff hits, that number becomes useless and it doesn't help players who actually care about being better get any better. You don't tell them the basic mechanics behind the skill.
Get it by your hands...
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
September 09 2009 18:30 GMT
#10430
On September 10 2009 03:25 JeeJee wrote:
i sent em both a key already^_^

just kidding this never happened
dont message me

way to be an ASSHOLE!
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
September 09 2009 18:32 GMT
#10431
holy crap there's HoN for linux
i s2 S2 games (lulz mi so original)
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
MeriaDoKk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Chile1726 Posts
September 09 2009 18:51 GMT
#10432
I think I have an extra HoN key if anyone wants one
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
September 09 2009 19:15 GMT
#10433
DYH: invite sent yo
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Antifate
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States415 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-09 20:06:07
September 09 2009 19:56 GMT
#10434
Does Lich's chain frost really do anything to a BKB'd target besides a .01 second stun?

"Ultimate" status for a spell allows it to be cast on a BKB'd target, but the magic immunity prevents it from taking damage, but is there an exception for Lich that makes it worthwhile to note that his ulti works against BKB?

And I believe there should be some sort of damage type indicator on some spells.

Edit: I think I can answer some of those questions from before:

+ Show Spoiler +


why is/are..
huskar's fire arrows magic while clinkz's fire arrows are physical?

- Clinkz's arrows do damage to towers because of this. Epic backdooring!

hookshot is magical while hook is physical?

- Hook used to be magical, it was nerfed because of how ridiculous Pudge's combo got to be mid-game, but I think it's unnecessary.

dazzle's poison is physical while viper's is magical?

- Physical damage works to synergize with his ult. His healing spell also does physical damage. Pretty meh, but I suppose it brings the hero together more.

wild axes aren't physical?

- They do both physical and magical damage (mixed, like Edict and Suicide).

assassinate magical?

- There's no reason for it to be physical. Just because it uses a bullet doesn't mean it should be physical. I mean SF uses a fireball or whatever, but his damage is physical

all bash magical?

Balance reasons I suppose. I suppose that it could have helped back when Blademail only reflected physical damage. Also, Phase Boots make physical damage pretty meh. I really don't know.

anchor smash is magical?

Balance reasons again. Tidehunter doesn't have a high as.

mines/suicide are mixed?

Balance reasons.

pa's dagger is pure while spectre's dagger is magical?

Balance reasons.

exorcism is physical? (not like it matters lolrape ghosts)

So it can attack towers (not 100% sure this is why), and so it isn't so so so overpowered vs. heroes.

ooh fatal bonds is pure..


I just think most of the shit with damage types and stuff are just for balanced reasons/synergy/buffs/nerfs.
No one is taller than the last man standing.
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
September 09 2009 20:01 GMT
#10435
On September 10 2009 04:56 Antifate wrote:
Does Lich's chain frost really do anything to a BKB'd target besides a .01 second stun?

"Ultimate" status for a spell allows it to be cast on a BKB'd target, but the magic immunity prevents it from taking damage, but is there an exception for Lich that makes it worthwhile to note that his ulti works against BKB?




his ulti does no damage to bkb'd targets, but counts them as a target to bounce to (so you can cast it on a pair of heroes, 1 bkb'd 1 not, and it owns the one that isn't bkb'd)
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
September 09 2009 20:13 GMT
#10436
it doesn't help players who actually care about being better get any better. You don't tell them the basic mechanics behind the skill.
lol?

Not telling people how the game works = them getting better at the game? I happen to disagree. Why don't we just not tell players about orb abilities or the spell damages or descriptions at all? That would make them SUPER good at dota according to your logic.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-09 20:50:08
September 09 2009 20:49 GMT
#10437
On September 10 2009 05:13 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
it doesn't help players who actually care about being better get any better. You don't tell them the basic mechanics behind the skill.
lol?

Not telling people how the game works = them getting better at the game? I happen to disagree. Why don't we just not tell players about orb abilities or the spell damages or descriptions at all? That would make them SUPER good at dota according to your logic.


no fucking duh, haven't you ever played fight of characters?
tooltips are for losers, sound effects are all you need
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
September 09 2009 20:59 GMT
#10438
Both of you are misreading it, telling them the exact damage doesn't help them because you aren't telling them why that 300 damage spell does 225 damage. Or why Beastmaster's Axes deal less and less damage as the game drags on, or why Finger and Laguna show an animation when cast on a BKB-ed unit (when other skills say invalid target) or why Pugna can attack decrepified units with a Deso
Get it by your hands...
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
September 09 2009 21:09 GMT
#10439
Why can Pugna attack decrep'd units with deso? :o
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-09 21:14:39
September 09 2009 21:10 GMT
#10440
that's not what you said though. you said telling the basic mechanics behind a skill is useless for people who want to get better. in fact it's the opposite.. just highlighting the spell name like they have in that thread will be very helpful (probably more helpful as i said, than putting 300 (225) in the tooltip) to beginners and even those that have played for a while

edit: he>you, i didn't realize it was you who wrote it :p fuck you L learn to quote properly
kthx
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
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