Last Epoch

On February 20 2024 19:46 Harris1st wrote:
Did I understand that correctly that you can either join the merchants and trade n stuff or you go with the others, lose the ability to trade on the bazar (or in general? with friends?) but have a higher magic find? That is a very cool approach!

On February 20 2024 08:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Some very good builds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymzQ9NJrVH8

On February 21 2024 07:14 HolydaKing wrote:
Already got 220 hours from earlier patches. Personally, I've never been satisfied with the online servers, even lately the loading times were horrible. I was set on playing SSF (account found) online, but I changed my mind and will play SSF offline.

On February 21 2024 08:14 CicadaSC wrote:
Excited to try this. I think it's great there is an offline mode if servers are overwhelmed at launch. Would like to see more games prioritize this! Blizzard has had terrible launches for example haha

On February 22 2024 16:10 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:
So guys, hey, I am a POE bow build enjoyer, any recommendations? Been busy losing weight and .........working on projects... hopefully the wise TL gosu can help a noob out here.

On February 22 2024 07:54 Espelz wrote:
Hm. I guess i wont play anything at all the next few days or week at least. Kinda faceplanted while running, but instead of stopping the fall with just my face, i stopped it with my left wrist, right elbow, ... and my face (but not that bad. )

Which is kinda good, because stopping it all with my face probably wouldnt have made it prettier.

But i cant really move my left wrist now and barely have the grip strength to hold a wet noodle without pain. At least theres nothing broken.
Hope launch is decent and you guys are having fun

On February 26 2024 10:57 Fleetfeet wrote:
So I'm left with a vague understanding of "Affinity, lightning dmg, ele dmg, spell dmg%, spell dmg (flat) all good for stuff that comes from me, minion/totem damage good for crows and totems" but when it comes to choices like 8% ele dmg vs 10% minion damage vs +3 lightning damage to spells I'd have no real way to evaluate which is better and for what part of the build, nor what particular parts of my damage sources are affected by which parts of the stats.

On February 27 2024 22:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


For me: Diablo 2 > Last Epoch > PoE > D4 > D3 > Grim Dawn.

I'm really enjoying Last Epoch. I particularly like how smooth, responsive, and consistent the combat and waves of enemies are. Boss battles are good. Graphics are solid too. Difficulty level is a little easy, and leveling up takes a tiny bit longer than I'd prefer, but that's okay because I like exploding everything on the screen and I like to keep moving. The skill tree customization is phenomenal, there's decent replay value and a variety of builds, and there are a lot of quality-of-life improvements (respeccing is easy, loot filter is solid, waypoints/portals are everywhere, the "transfer materials" button in the inventory helps immediately move out some items, etc.).

Not everything is perfect, of course. Some of the affixes/attributes from items don't feel like they do much (increasing % chance of X, increasing % damage of Y, being level 62 yet still having zero or single-digit points in vitality and dexterity, etc.), making me feel like my gear isn't as impactful as in other games. The few cinematic scenes are poor quality (I think I'm just spoiled by Blizzard's cinematic scenes), and the story / time-hopping just isn't interesting or engaging for me. Each era or region is a different environment with different monsters, but the feel of running through these areas can start to feel redundant. Very few sidequests / other objectives too, meaning that there's not much use in exploring unless you want to kill all the monsters. It's very formulaic: enter a location, then run straight and kill monsters until you arrive at the exit, leading to a new location's entrance. Repeat.

I recommend the game overall though; I'd give it a 7/10. I'll play through most of LE five times - once with each character - to about level 60-70. Then I'll probably be done with it.

On February 27 2024 18:57 FaCE_1 wrote:
Question, is it just me or it's pretty slow to level up ?

I'm currently doing the lvl 90 monolith (1 down, 2 too go) and i'm just lvl 80 and the leveling seem slow. Any tips to level up a bit faster ?

Edit: so now i'm lvl 83 and ready to do empower monolith... Is it to low level? will I get good xp there ?

On February 27 2024 22:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


For me: Diablo 2 > Last Epoch > PoE > D4 > D3 > Grim Dawn.

I'm really enjoying Last Epoch. I particularly like how smooth, responsive, and consistent the combat and waves of enemies are. Boss battles are good. Graphics are solid too. Difficulty level is a little easy, and leveling up takes a tiny bit longer than I'd prefer, but that's okay because I like exploding everything on the screen and I like to keep moving. The skill tree customization is phenomenal, there's decent replay value and a variety of builds, and there are a lot of quality-of-life improvements (respeccing is easy, loot filter is solid, waypoints/portals are everywhere, the "transfer materials" button in the inventory helps immediately move out some items, etc.).

Not everything is perfect, of course. Some of the affixes/attributes from items don't feel like they do much (increasing % chance of X, increasing % damage of Y, being level 62 yet still having zero or single-digit points in vitality and dexterity, etc.), making me feel like my gear isn't as impactful as in other games. The few cinematic scenes are poor quality (I think I'm just spoiled by Blizzard's cinematic scenes), and the story / time-hopping just isn't interesting or engaging for me. Each era or region is a different environment with different monsters, but the feel of running through these areas can start to feel redundant. Very few sidequests / other objectives too, meaning that there's not much use in exploring unless you want to kill all the monsters. It's very formulaic: enter a location, then run straight and kill monsters until you arrive at the exit, leading to a new location's entrance. Repeat.

I recommend the game overall though; I'd give it a 7/10. I'll play through most of LE five times - once with each character - to about level 60-70. Then I'll probably be done with it.

On March 01 2024 01:23 Ryzel wrote:


That is a super surprising ranking. OoC what makes Grim Dawn so bad?

EDIT - I’m getting Deja vu as I read this back, did I ask this in the D4 thread? Sorry if I have lol

On March 14 2024 07:40 Archeon wrote:

My ranking roughly looks the same. Despite having a cool scenario, GD imo falls really short on it's delivery, in terms of narrative it's imo the worst of the bunch. The constellation system is cool as hell, but the sheer amount of different elements limit the build variety a bit and tbh I feel like the class system is largely a delivery system for the constellation effects. So I check out these 'cool' but really flat skills and they aren't really anything to look forward too, cause they're just the delivery system for your constellations. All in all it feels like there are two systems in place when one more concise would have been better.

It also leads to class choices not mattering as much because your power largely comes from the constellations and class mainly decides which you are going to pick.

GD's item system is imo better than people say. The additional skills items add open up build options and while I think that f.e. D2 largely beats it, D2 has an excellent item system if you disregard that 99% of the drops are trash.

I think I'd rate D2>=LE>=PoE >>> TQ/D3/D4/GD. I get why ppl rate PoE over D2 and LE, but I still don't like the skill system in PoE and it's grindy as fuck. PoE is targeting ppl who want to play it 7 days a week for 5 months in a row and for them it's perfect, but that just isn't what I want from an ARPG. PoE has very good design though, I enjoy the lore and if you don't mind dash screen explosions dash screen explosion gameplay it's nice.

D2 probably has the best mob design in terms of gameplay, I really enjoy how enemies teach lessons to the players and especially early on require players to play around their behavior. They try this a bit in d4, but it's nowhere near as good. D2 also has a decent trade system, an interesting item system with runes and gems and a ton of "here's a corner you can cut to get a decent budget item" catches. It's problem is that a lot of uniques and sets are hot garbage and how melee vs magic classes scale with gear, also endgame. It's also hands down the best ARPG in terms of atmosphere and storytelling imo, by a mile. I'd give second place to D4 in that regard, but that's about the only thing D4 excels in. It's not terrible else, but not exceptional anywhere.

LE imo is a modernized version of D2, with complex skilltrees, decent enemy design, decent atmosphere, reskilling, and narrative endgame. The storytelling is only soso though and I feel like the passive tree isn't that interesting, or at least wasn't when I last played it.

On March 14 2024 08:23 Fleetfeet wrote:


Hah, this (bolded) makes me wonder how D2 would feel with loot filters. PoE and LE certainly do much worse than 99% of drops being useless, but loot filters make it so you only see 10% of the loot, so it doesn't feel as bad.

As for the bugfixes - the only bug I know of that impacts my build right now is the fact that the "increased effect of haste on you" implicit of Vanguard Boots literally doesn't do anything.

Tbf it's a difference of only 7-15% movespeed so not like it's major, but I use Wrongwarp, so it's also 21-45% increased spell damage.

On March 14 2024 08:23 Fleetfeet wrote:


Hah, this (bolded) makes me wonder how D2 would feel with loot filters. PoE and LE certainly do much worse than 99% of drops being useless, but loot filters make it so you only see 10% of the loot, so it doesn't feel as bad.

On March 19 2024 04:54 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
That's a really interesting point. I've definitely noticed other ways that I could have built the masteries I've chosen so far, with all of the different skills and trees available within a single class. The fact that you and I can both explore our characters deeply, with such different playstyles / approaches to the game, is a testament to how well the LE crew designed the classes.

On March 19 2024 07:39 EchelonTee wrote:
NGL, I like Lagon. I think it's better that there's at least 1 "oh shit" boss. Otherwise the game would be wayyy too easy. His attack patterns can be learned, and only the laser beam is really a one shot. If the claw one shots you it's a defense issue, IMO - or you can hide on the stairs. The waves in the ads phase always go in one direction (Clockwise or Counter clockwise, I forgot), so that's super easy, you follow behind the waves. And you can just skip him if you really want (even on a first playthrough). Doesn't help if you need to farm him in Monoliths though

Lagon reminds me of Kitava, in that it feels pretty overwhelming at first but can be overcome with experience. Though I'd say Kitava (and PoE bosses in general) have way better animation telegraphing. It's really obvious when Kitava is going for a slam compared to Lagon's claw smash

Though to be fair, I've only played OP builds I looked up. I'm going to try to homebrew some builds and maybe I'll have more trouble then.

I agree endgame dungeons need a lot of work. The barriers really annoy me. I get they wanted to introduce some amount of variability, but I would've preferred randomized layout / tileset, not a bunch of road blocks. Especially since you can actually get past the roadblocks with very specific traversal skills, but not all. Like, Acolyte's Transplant doesn't work, but if I make Chthonic Fissure into traversal it works - but I don't want to be forced into doing that