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Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
August 14 2007 22:20 GMT
#221
12. Qb3 [shifts momentum from center and threatens pawn at b7] Rad8
13. Bh6 [interesting pressure] Rfe8
14. e3 b6 [takes away the threat of b7]
15. Ng5 [more pressure on the right side] Ne7 [brings in support]
16. Ne4 [moves away, threatening unguarded bishop] Bg7 [only viable move]
17. Bxg7 Kxg7 [vulnerable position, but on immediate harm]
18. Qc3+ e5 [only allows for black center control]
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Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
August 14 2007 22:22 GMT
#222
19. f4 Nf5
20. fxe5 dxe5
21. Rae1 Bc6 [attack on knight, opens up rook file]
22. g4 [counter attack on other knight] Bxe4
23. Bxe4 Ng3
24. Rf3 Nxe4
25. dxe4 Qc6 [unguarded pawn]
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Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
August 14 2007 22:29 GMT
#223
26. Qc2 Rd7 [probably makes way for double up rook]
27. Ref1 [counter double up rook] Red8 [double up]
28. b3 Kg8 [takes the king from future danger]
29. Rf6 [takes the opportunity of the unguarded square+queen] Qb7 [still holding onto the threat of the center pawn]
30. Qg2 [shifts to the focus of attack while guarding center pawn] Rd1
31. Rxd1 Rxd1+ [smartly Sr18 decides to counterattack instead of being passive]
32. Rf1 Qd7
33. Rxd1 Qxd1+ [very even material, pawn unguarded near the king]
34. Kf2 [goes to protect the unguarded pawn] Kg7
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Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
August 14 2007 22:33 GMT
#224
35. g5 [prevents king movement, and could lead to an open king for Black if he wants to open up with right-side pawns] h6 [exactly as predicted, if white accepts, king is thrust into the open]
36. gxh6+ [good move] Kxh6
37. Qf3 [preparing attack while threat on Queen/exchange, 6 minutes left for each player] Qxf3+
38. Kxf3 Kg5
39. Kg3 f5 [lots of movement, trying to exchange some pieces/open up position]
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Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
August 14 2007 22:40 GMT
#225
40. Kf3 [protects center, dosen't want the immediate exchange] Kh4
41. exf5 gxf5
42. e4 f4
43. Kg2 [protects pawn] a6
44. a3 a5
45. a4 [equal position, draw prehaps?] f3+ [no]
46. Kf2 Kxh3
47. Kxf3 Kh4
48. Ke2 Kg4
49. Ke3 Kg3
50. Ke2 Kf4
51. Kd3 Kf3
52. Kd2 Kxe4
53. Ke2 Kd4
54. Kd2 e4
55. Ke2 e3
56. Ke1 Kd3 [Jkillashark resigns]

Wow what a game. Nice, I will actually upload the PGN, it's very interesting.

They will continue their series (game 4+) at a later time.

Current result:

Sr18 VS. Jkillashark (2-1)
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Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
August 14 2007 23:29 GMT
#226
Just played some blitz games with Sr18, and he taught me so much in between the moves, thanks once again.

Hopefully they can finish up their games soon, and we'll be into the finals -_-
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Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
August 14 2007 23:33 GMT
#227
JkillasharkVs.Sr18 (recap):

So far interesting games, game 1 there was a certain blunder (I can't remember :S) that pretty much gave away the game as far as I remember. Game 2 was nice once again, but I hadn't gotten used to the live reporting, hehe...Finally, game 3 I'd say was the best, very even position, apparently, draws were offered several times (as I hinted in the notation), with the position swaying between both players, constantly a switch of attack and defense, nicely played, in my opinion.

Here is game 3 (Sr18/Jkillashark 1-0):

http://rapidshare.com/files/49033471/jkillashark_TiredOfTheWar_2007_8_14_16_41.pgn.html
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goldrush
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada709 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-08-15 00:37:45
August 15 2007 00:18 GMT
#228
Question for the players (don't have Fritz with this computer so I can't check that way and I only briefly scanned it) for game #3:

Why not 14... d5? The obvious 15. cxd5 exd5 16. Qxd5 just looks bad because of the sheer number of tempi black can get by attacking the queen and Bf4 move tricks don't seem to work because of black's pressure on the a file and the long diagonal. Then it seems that white misses 23... Ng3 (preventable probably by playing 22. Kh2), after which the white pawns are ruined, though the pawn ending should be even.

And in the king and pawn endgame: 42. Kg2 should hold the draw, as white will be able to trade the h pawn for the f pawn (after the eventually forced ...f4 exf4 exf4) if black gets too ambitious or just be able to head off the black king in time. Don't forget that white still has the passed h pawn, which means that black must keep an eye on it and as long as white can keep black from getting the protected passed pawn (key idea in this position), he should be fine.

Now glancing through game #2... (btw, the game notation is

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Bb5+ Bd7 4. Bxd7+ Qxd7 5. c4 e5 6. Nc3 Nc6 7. O-O Nf6 8. d3 Be7 9. Nd5 O-O 10. Be3 Nxd5 11. exd5 Nd4 12. Nxd4 cxd4 13. Bd2 f5 14. f3 b5 15. b4 bxc4 16. dxc4 Rac8 17. Rc1 Rc7 18. Re1 Rfc8 19. Qb3 Bf6 20. Rc2 Bh4 21. g3 Bf6 22. c5 dxc5 23. Rec1 Qd6 24. bxc5 Rxc5 25. Rxc5 Rxc5 26. Rxc5 Qxc5 27. d6+ Kf8 28. Qb8+ Kf7 29. Qc7+ for those who are too lazy to copy and paste by pieces)

Is there a reason why not 17... e4? It seems to give black a decent initiative and at the very least, cause some disorder in the white camp. The final combination seems to be very neat, but I'm not sure if it's entirely sound. ...c4 seems to also be a decent try to stop the dangerous discovered check (around move 23 and in a few variations), though I'm not sure if I'd be able to find taht idea over the board and I'd need to check it with the computer first, but the c pawn is doomed anyways. The plan is to gang up on the white d-pawn while white spends some time on capturing the c-pawn and if not capturing it, at least giving black some time slow down the d pawn by capturing with a rook rather than the c pawn.
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
August 15 2007 02:21 GMT
#229
Well we know how it is under time pressure, but thanks for the input/analysis.
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kdog3683
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States916 Posts
August 15 2007 06:07 GMT
#230
is there a way to watch "chess replays" ?
Multiply your efforts.
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
August 15 2007 06:27 GMT
#231
No, not in real-time. Then again would you want to? I mean it is turn-based strategy lol

download PGN files into a chess viewer and you can go through the game, so I guess that's the equivalent

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kdog3683
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States916 Posts
August 15 2007 06:34 GMT
#232
On August 15 2007 15:27 Wizard[pl] wrote:
No, not in real-time. Then again would you want to? I mean it is turn-based strategy lol

download PGN files into a chess viewer and you can go through the game, so I guess that's the equivalent




download PGN files into a chess viewer and you can go through the game, so I guess that's the equivalent

Are there any websites which host chess viewers?
Multiply your efforts.
One Page Memory
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Bulgaria2145 Posts
August 15 2007 07:03 GMT
#233
On August 15 2007 15:07 kdog3683 wrote:
is there a way to watch "chess replays" ?

Actually there is a way.
Go to playchess.com, download the client and install it. Connect to the server, log on the main area and you can always watch very very high standart blitz games between IM and often GMs. Also chessbase everyday is live translating events so if you want you can watch very high standart "slow" (like 1.5 h or 2 hours per person) games.
And thanks for the live games wizard. They will help me prepare for the final.
As it is unfair to the other finalist if issued I will sent him my semifinal match games.
Jin Youngsoo before game with Savior: But, I demanded myself (of composure) by saying: Same old, same old - only a Zerg, only a Zerg
kdog3683
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States916 Posts
August 15 2007 07:28 GMT
#234
what i meant was take for instance jkillashark vs sr18, take that "replay" and load it somewhere and watch it.
Multiply your efforts.
One Page Memory
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Bulgaria2145 Posts
August 15 2007 09:00 GMT
#235
Yup, there is a way, but the game must be uploaded in one of the most common formats, as for instance .pgn. All chess programs maintain the .pgn format. Then download the game and open with program you have.
If you don't have any program (Fritz, Junior, Hydra, ChessBase, whatever) then download free ChesBase Light here:
http://fritzserver.org/download/CBLightEnglishSetup.exe
Jin Youngsoo before game with Savior: But, I demanded myself (of composure) by saying: Same old, same old - only a Zerg, only a Zerg
Sr18
Profile Joined April 2006
Netherlands1141 Posts
August 15 2007 11:17 GMT
#236
On August 15 2007 09:18 goldrush wrote:
Question for the players (don't have Fritz with this computer so I can't check that way and I only briefly scanned it) for game #3:

1. Why not 14... d5? The obvious 15. cxd5 exd5 16. Qxd5 just looks bad because of the sheer number of tempi black can get by attacking the queen and Bf4 move tricks don't seem to work because of black's pressure on the a file and the long diagonal. Then it seems that white misses 23... Ng3 (preventable probably by playing 22. Kh2), after which the white pawns are ruined, though the pawn ending should be even.

2. And in the king and pawn endgame: 42. Kg2 should hold the draw, as white will be able to trade the h pawn for the f pawn (after the eventually forced ...f4 exf4 exf4) if black gets too ambitious or just be able to head off the black king in time. Don't forget that white still has the passed h pawn, which means that black must keep an eye on it and as long as white can keep black from getting the protected passed pawn (key idea in this position), he should be fine.


1. After 14. ... d5 15. cxd5 exd5 16. Bf4 Qc1 17. Kh2, White is fine. Blacks queen is out of place and white still has both central pawns. You are right about Qxd5 not working (Bxh3 for example), but I am not sure what 14. ... d5 is supposed to achieve, other than being tactically sound.

2. You are right, 42. Kg2 forces the draw. There are still some ways for black to create play, but if white responds properly none of these should lead to anything other than a draw.
If it ain't Dutch, it ain't Park Yeong Min - CJ fighting!
Try
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1293 Posts
August 15 2007 12:33 GMT
#237
hey wizard, do u have any idea who has the highest ELO in the tourney? and personally, whats your ELO?
goldrush
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada709 Posts
August 15 2007 14:35 GMT
#238
On August 15 2007 20:17 Sr18 wrote:

1. After 14. ... d5 15. cxd5 exd5 16. Bf4 Qc1 17. Kh2, White is fine. Blacks queen is out of place and white still has both central pawns. You are right about Qxd5 not working (Bxh3 for example), but I am not sure what 14. ... d5 is supposed to achieve, other than being tactically sound.

2. You are right, 42. Kg2 forces the draw. There are still some ways for black to create play, but if white responds properly none of these should lead to anything other than a draw.


1. Well, there's always 16... Qb6 17. Qxb6 axb6 18. Bc7 Ra8 19. Bxb6 Bxb2 20. Rab1 Ba3 Though it's a bit of a long variation, most of the moves are forced, and the final position seems to be very equal. The main point is to gain a bit more space is all. The continuation in the game isn't bad, but I think black could use a little bit more space than what he got in the game.

2. How can black create more play? Shut down the queenside, prevent the black king from penetrating and know that black can't do anything because of the h-pawn and the trade of h for f pawns is a win for white. Seems like a fairly straightforward draw to me. Just keep the g3 square under wraps and white's good to go.
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
August 15 2007 16:12 GMT
#239
On August 15 2007 16:03 One Page Memory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2007 15:07 kdog3683 wrote:
is there a way to watch "chess replays" ?

Actually there is a way.
Go to playchess.com, download the client and install it. Connect to the server, log on the main area and you can always watch very very high standart blitz games between IM and often GMs. Also chessbase everyday is live translating events so if you want you can watch very high standart "slow" (like 1.5 h or 2 hours per person) games.
And thanks for the live games wizard. They will help me prepare for the final.
As it is unfair to the other finalist if issued I will sent him my semifinal match games.


Heh, that's what I thought also, and I was going to ask if you'd mind sending your games over, keke

But of course, if you want to watch high level games, then you can pretty much watch live games on any server: I thought you meant something like watching the games in real-time after they are done. :S [edit] oh i see, if your going to be playing on FICS, then download BabasChess, it's pretty good, or Chessbase like OPM recommended, it's also good


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Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
August 15 2007 16:17 GMT
#240
On August 15 2007 21:33 Try wrote:
hey wizard, do u have any idea who has the highest ELO in the tourney? and personally, whats your ELO?


I don't know 100%, but I can swear I saw someone mention (probably the player himeself) that OPM has 2200 ELO, and I think I know what I heard Sr18 say, but for the sake of not messing up stats/etc.., if he wants he can post it. I'd say I have an ELO rating around 1600-1700: not to be boasting or anything, but it seems that since I play mostly blitz games (as OPM and Sr18 probably noticed when the played me) I constantly blunder because of the time, while if I play something like 30-0 or 60-0 (which I have played quite a few of in the last few days) I'd say my ELO would be around 1900. Just guesses since I mostly play on guest accounts, but maybe I'll get the motivation later today to sign up for FICS

Thanks guys for all the comments, this tournament is doing great, so much active people (not only now, but there was only 1 forfeited game in the earlier rounds) so I'd just like to thank everybody so far for keeping this active and fun.

Thanks,

Wiz
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