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Biggest question is whether the new hardware fixes the Joycon drift issues people have had with the old system. With the regular Switch you could just buy new Joycons if yours gave out--having to replace the whole system is much more problematic.
On July 10 2019 21:26 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
I don't see the reasoning behind this. Makes no sense.
What doesn't make sense? a lot of people have asked for a more portable, durable Switch since the system launched.
This is addressing a demand the community has had literally since day 1.
On July 10 2019 23:08 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2019 23:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Not sure how I feel about a lower-cost Switch that literally doesn't Switch... It's just a Nintendo DS that plays Switch games... I won't be getting one, but it's probably very appealing to those who exclusively play handheld modes. Also dont forget the cheaper price for the console. $100 difference is quite a lot for some people
It's basically the same price as the dockless Switch that released in Japan. You aren't really getting any sort of discount on the system itself.
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For the majority of people, if you're posting on this thread, the Switch Lite isn't meant for you. See those kids with their 2DS/3DS in public places? That's the target demographic. It's at a similar price point as the 3DS. It's smaller for their little hands. It's sturdier because it doesn't have detachable joycons. It's meant to replace the 2DS/3DS for those little kids without releasing a separate system.
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I can't see myself getting one unless gen8 supports cloud saves, even then it's not a high chance.
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I could see myself buying a used one for like $100 to tinker with once there's a homebrew exploit that's usable on whatever firmware they come out on. Not something that would happen in the near future though.
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On July 13 2019 09:12 andrewlt wrote:
For the majority of people, if you're posting on this thread, the Switch Lite isn't meant for you. See those kids with their 2DS/3DS in public places? That's the target demographic. It's at a similar price point as the 3DS. It's smaller for their little hands. It's sturdier because it doesn't have detachable joycons. It's meant to replace the 2DS/3DS for those little kids without releasing a separate system.
everything is correct except the CEO stated it WASN"T going to replace the 3DS lineup. They're still going to release games / push the hand held line forward. i'm guessing its a cheaper alternative for those who want to play switch games.
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On July 13 2019 16:04 saocyn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2019 09:12 andrewlt wrote:
For the majority of people, if you're posting on this thread, the Switch Lite isn't meant for you. See those kids with their 2DS/3DS in public places? That's the target demographic. It's at a similar price point as the 3DS. It's smaller for their little hands. It's sturdier because it doesn't have detachable joycons. It's meant to replace the 2DS/3DS for those little kids without releasing a separate system. everything is correct except the CEO stated it WASN"T going to replace the 3DS lineup. They're still going to release games / push the hand held line forward. i'm guessing its a cheaper alternative for those who want to play switch games.
No, Nintendo is doing their typical bullshit. When the DS came out they said the DS wasn't going to replace the Gameboy. I'm still waiting for that next Gameboy to come out 15 years later.
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On July 13 2019 19:22 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2019 16:04 saocyn wrote:On July 13 2019 09:12 andrewlt wrote:
For the majority of people, if you're posting on this thread, the Switch Lite isn't meant for you. See those kids with their 2DS/3DS in public places? That's the target demographic. It's at a similar price point as the 3DS. It's smaller for their little hands. It's sturdier because it doesn't have detachable joycons. It's meant to replace the 2DS/3DS for those little kids without releasing a separate system. everything is correct except the CEO stated it WASN"T going to replace the 3DS lineup. They're still going to release games / push the hand held line forward. i'm guessing its a cheaper alternative for those who want to play switch games. No, Nintendo is doing their typical bullshit. When the DS came out they said the DS wasn't going to replace the Gameboy. I'm still waiting for that next Gameboy to come out 15 years later.
You do know that the gameboy advance was supported YEARS after the DS came out?
According to wikipedia 6 full years after the DS came out nintendo stopped supporting the gameboy advance. 6 years is fucking long. So no, its not bullshit
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On July 13 2019 19:25 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2019 19:22 Gahlo wrote:On July 13 2019 16:04 saocyn wrote:On July 13 2019 09:12 andrewlt wrote:
For the majority of people, if you're posting on this thread, the Switch Lite isn't meant for you. See those kids with their 2DS/3DS in public places? That's the target demographic. It's at a similar price point as the 3DS. It's smaller for their little hands. It's sturdier because it doesn't have detachable joycons. It's meant to replace the 2DS/3DS for those little kids without releasing a separate system. everything is correct except the CEO stated it WASN"T going to replace the 3DS lineup. They're still going to release games / push the hand held line forward. i'm guessing its a cheaper alternative for those who want to play switch games. No, Nintendo is doing their typical bullshit. When the DS came out they said the DS wasn't going to replace the Gameboy. I'm still waiting for that next Gameboy to come out 15 years later. You do know that the gameboy advance was supported YEARS after the DS came out? According to wikipedia 6 full years after the DS came out nintendo stopped supporting the gameboy advance. 6 years is fucking long. So no, its not bullshit
On Nintendo's site there is exactly ONE game listed as coming to the 3DS in the forseeable future - the constantly delayed Shovel Knight: Kind of Cards.
Regardless, Just Dance 2019 is coming out for the Wii this year. The Wii. Not the WiiU, the plain old fricken Wii. I wouldn't call Nintendo still supporting that either.
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On July 13 2019 19:25 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2019 19:22 Gahlo wrote:On July 13 2019 16:04 saocyn wrote:On July 13 2019 09:12 andrewlt wrote:
For the majority of people, if you're posting on this thread, the Switch Lite isn't meant for you. See those kids with their 2DS/3DS in public places? That's the target demographic. It's at a similar price point as the 3DS. It's smaller for their little hands. It's sturdier because it doesn't have detachable joycons. It's meant to replace the 2DS/3DS for those little kids without releasing a separate system. everything is correct except the CEO stated it WASN"T going to replace the 3DS lineup. They're still going to release games / push the hand held line forward. i'm guessing its a cheaper alternative for those who want to play switch games. No, Nintendo is doing their typical bullshit. When the DS came out they said the DS wasn't going to replace the Gameboy. I'm still waiting for that next Gameboy to come out 15 years later. You do know that the gameboy advance was supported YEARS after the DS came out? According to wikipedia 6 full years after the DS came out nintendo stopped supporting the gameboy advance. 6 years is fucking long. So no, its not bullshit
Nintendo just released a patch for the Wii U a few weeks ago. Is that what they mean by support?
Regardless, I'm about to finish Persona Q2. I don't see anything on the horizon. No matter what Nintendo says, if the 3DS is getting maybe 1 game every year, parents are going to have to buy their kids a new system.
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As andrewlt pointed out, Nintendo saying that they'll "support" a dying system means that in the most literal sense of the term. That doesn't mean they're actively promoting it or pushing games for it.
With the GBA, the DS had backward-compatibility so there was more incentive to continue pushing GBA titles, since even DS owners would buy them.
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On July 13 2019 19:22 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2019 16:04 saocyn wrote:On July 13 2019 09:12 andrewlt wrote:
For the majority of people, if you're posting on this thread, the Switch Lite isn't meant for you. See those kids with their 2DS/3DS in public places? That's the target demographic. It's at a similar price point as the 3DS. It's smaller for their little hands. It's sturdier because it doesn't have detachable joycons. It's meant to replace the 2DS/3DS for those little kids without releasing a separate system. everything is correct except the CEO stated it WASN"T going to replace the 3DS lineup. They're still going to release games / push the hand held line forward. i'm guessing its a cheaper alternative for those who want to play switch games. No, Nintendo is doing their typical bullshit. When the DS came out they said the DS wasn't going to replace the Gameboy. I'm still waiting for that next Gameboy to come out 15 years later.
Every gaming manufacturer focuses most on their newest generation of consoles, and slowly scaffolds away from older systems, eventually. Because that's what their target market- gamers- tend to prioritize. I don't see how that's bullshit.
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I already own a switch, absolutely have fallen in love with its uniqueness. Can't wait for the Hori Handheld controller adapters. Has anyone else dabbled in getting accessories for their switch? I highly recommend battery attachments and controller adapters.
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On July 14 2019 13:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2019 19:22 Gahlo wrote:On July 13 2019 16:04 saocyn wrote:On July 13 2019 09:12 andrewlt wrote:
For the majority of people, if you're posting on this thread, the Switch Lite isn't meant for you. See those kids with their 2DS/3DS in public places? That's the target demographic. It's at a similar price point as the 3DS. It's smaller for their little hands. It's sturdier because it doesn't have detachable joycons. It's meant to replace the 2DS/3DS for those little kids without releasing a separate system. everything is correct except the CEO stated it WASN"T going to replace the 3DS lineup. They're still going to release games / push the hand held line forward. i'm guessing its a cheaper alternative for those who want to play switch games. No, Nintendo is doing their typical bullshit. When the DS came out they said the DS wasn't going to replace the Gameboy. I'm still waiting for that next Gameboy to come out 15 years later. Every gaming manufacturer focuses most on their newest generation of consoles, and slowly scaffolds away from older systems, eventually. Because that's what their target market- gamers- tend to prioritize. I don't see how that's bullshit.
I'm just saying that every time Nintendo has done a brand shift with their handhelds they act like they're adding a 3rd pillar when you know for damn sure the old handheld brand is dead in the water. No new Gameboy was made after the DS came out. No new DS is going to be made now that the Switch, and *especially* the Switch Lite is coming out.
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On July 15 2019 01:28 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2019 13:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 13 2019 19:22 Gahlo wrote:On July 13 2019 16:04 saocyn wrote:On July 13 2019 09:12 andrewlt wrote:
For the majority of people, if you're posting on this thread, the Switch Lite isn't meant for you. See those kids with their 2DS/3DS in public places? That's the target demographic. It's at a similar price point as the 3DS. It's smaller for their little hands. It's sturdier because it doesn't have detachable joycons. It's meant to replace the 2DS/3DS for those little kids without releasing a separate system. everything is correct except the CEO stated it WASN"T going to replace the 3DS lineup. They're still going to release games / push the hand held line forward. i'm guessing its a cheaper alternative for those who want to play switch games. No, Nintendo is doing their typical bullshit. When the DS came out they said the DS wasn't going to replace the Gameboy. I'm still waiting for that next Gameboy to come out 15 years later. Every gaming manufacturer focuses most on their newest generation of consoles, and slowly scaffolds away from older systems, eventually. Because that's what their target market- gamers- tend to prioritize. I don't see how that's bullshit. I'm just saying that every time Nintendo has done a brand shift with their handhelds they act like they're adding a 3rd pillar when you know for damn sure the old handheld brand is dead in the water. No new Gameboy was made after the DS came out. No new DS is going to be made now that the Switch, and *especially* the Switch Lite is coming out.
For me, I guess the real question is: Could a third pillar even exist without obvious overlap? What would it be? The two video game system options have always been at-home-stationary-plug-into-your-tv-consoles and portable-take-it-with-you-anywhere-consoles... for decades. Nintendo's Switch is actually showing the opposite- that rather than inventing a new pillar that doesn't overlap (which seems to be impossible, because the two previous pillars are surely dichotomous, right?), that a true super-console would be able to cover both options- a more powerful, docked, stationary system + a portable system all rolled into one. Nintendo is far-and-away the most successful portable video game manufacturer, so I wonder if this 2-pillars-in-1-console that is the Switch will put pressure on Sony and Microsoft to come up with a way to make their next generation of consoles portable too.
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On July 15 2019 02:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2019 01:28 Gahlo wrote:On July 14 2019 13:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 13 2019 19:22 Gahlo wrote:On July 13 2019 16:04 saocyn wrote:On July 13 2019 09:12 andrewlt wrote:
For the majority of people, if you're posting on this thread, the Switch Lite isn't meant for you. See those kids with their 2DS/3DS in public places? That's the target demographic. It's at a similar price point as the 3DS. It's smaller for their little hands. It's sturdier because it doesn't have detachable joycons. It's meant to replace the 2DS/3DS for those little kids without releasing a separate system. everything is correct except the CEO stated it WASN"T going to replace the 3DS lineup. They're still going to release games / push the hand held line forward. i'm guessing its a cheaper alternative for those who want to play switch games. No, Nintendo is doing their typical bullshit. When the DS came out they said the DS wasn't going to replace the Gameboy. I'm still waiting for that next Gameboy to come out 15 years later. Every gaming manufacturer focuses most on their newest generation of consoles, and slowly scaffolds away from older systems, eventually. Because that's what their target market- gamers- tend to prioritize. I don't see how that's bullshit. I'm just saying that every time Nintendo has done a brand shift with their handhelds they act like they're adding a 3rd pillar when you know for damn sure the old handheld brand is dead in the water. No new Gameboy was made after the DS came out. No new DS is going to be made now that the Switch, and *especially* the Switch Lite is coming out. For me, I guess the real question is: Could a third pillar even exist without obvious overlap? What would it be? The two video game system options have always been at-home-stationary-plug-into-your-tv-consoles and portable-take-it-with-you-anywhere-consoles... for decades. Nintendo's Switch is actually showing the opposite- that rather than inventing a new pillar that doesn't overlap (which seems to be impossible, because the two previous pillars are surely dichotomous, right?), that a true super-console would be able to cover both options- a more powerful, docked, stationary system + a portable system all rolled into one. Nintendo is far-and-away the most successful portable video game manufacturer, so I wonder if this 2-pillars-in-1-console that is the Switch will put pressure on Sony and Microsoft to come up with a way to make their next generation of consoles portable too.
I don't think so. The XBOX M$ division has never really made an effort to get into the handheld space and while Sony did okay with the PSP, the Vita(from what I can tell) was a big flop. At this point it's too hard to compete with Nintendo and the mobile market to make a handheld worth the risk.
If anything, they're going to push even harder in the streaming service direction where you can mount your phone to a controller and play your own system through the internet. However, that comes with the issue of data limits and latency.
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Nintendo revealed an improved model of the Nintendo Switch Wednesday that includes a decent bump in battery life, allowing for 4.5 - 9 hours of play compared to the original model's 2.5 - 6.5 hour range.
The improved Nintendo Switch model is identical to the current standard Switch model except for its insides, so it doesn't have a fancy new name or anything like that. If anything, the new models will quietly phase out the old models, and most people won't even notice.
If you're in the market for a Switch or have cash to burn on a console with a slightly better battery life, you have to pay attention to the serial numbers on the boxes and consoles if you want the one with the best battery life. According to Nintendo's Switch product page, the new models' serial numbers start with "XKW" while the old models start with "XAW."
It's a subtle difference that wouldn't even be noticeable unless you were looking for it, but could mean the difference between playing The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild for 3 hours versus 5.5 hours in handheld mode.
This news comes one week after Nintendo revealed the handheld-only Nintendo Switch Lite, which has a battery life range of 3 - 7 hours.
Before the Switch Lite was announced, Nintendo filed a Class II Permissive Change to the FCC for the Nintendo Switch, which is basically a request to change parts of the Switch without the need to establish it as a new product despite the differences. That filing included mentions of changes to the console's system-on-chip (which acts as both its graphics processor and CPU) and memory, but did not mention battery.
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Any legal experts here? One thing is for certain Nintendo can't brush this off as a minor thing as the community, and even press has been vocal about the problem since the system's release.
US lawyers have filed a class action lawsuit against Nintendo after concerns around the issue of Joy-Con drift.
It's a case which has been bubbling away for some weeks now while a growing number of fans have aired their grievances online - all claiming their Joy-Con controllers have begun misbehaving.
The lawsuit was finally filed last Friday via the United States District Court in Washington by the law offices of Chimicles, Schwartz Kriner & Donaldson-Smith (CSK&D).
It alleges Joy-Con contollers are "defective" because, after time, they can begin "drifting" - causing movement from an analogue stick even if the user is not controlling it at the time.
CSK&D filed the lawsuit on behalf of one Switch owner, California man Ryan Diaz, who purchased a Switch back in July 2017. After 11 months, Diaz's left Joy-Con began drifting so he sent it for repair. Three months later, the problem returned. Diaz then purchased an extra pair of Joy-Con - only to experience the same issue with those, too.
It's a common problem, the lawsuit suggests. Included in the lawsuit document are quotes from other Switch owners, taken from Nintendo's own support forums, reddit and GameFAQs, all complaining of a similar issue.
Now, CSK&D is seeking more Nintendo Switch fans based in the US to join in the class action suit. The firm has launched an online form with a few simple questions, such as asking the age of your Switch and Joy-Con, when the drifting problem began occurring, and whether Nintendo has been made aware.
Nintendo declined to comment on the lawsuit when contacted by Eurogamer today.
If you're experiencing drift in a Joy-Con controller, the easiest method of fixing the issue is to recalibrate its analogue sticks via the Switch's Settings menu. If that doesn't fix the issue, you're left to either send your Joy-Con to Nintendo or attempt to clean the controller's internal parts yourself - which risks doing more harm than good.
Nintendo has issued a statement on the recent crop of reports surrounding defective Joy-Con, a day after reports filled the internet that it was now the subject of a class action lawsuit in the US. There's no mention, specifically, of that lawsuit in the statement below, but it's clear why this comment was issued now. Nintendo's message to Switch owners? Contact Nintendo's support site to see what the company can do. "At Nintendo, we take great pride in creating quality products and we are continuously making improvements to them," a Nintendo UK spokesperson told Eurogamer this morning. "We are aware of recent reports that some Joy-Con controllers are not responding correctly. We want our consumers to have fun with Nintendo Switch, and if anything falls short of this goal we always encourage them to visit http://support.nintendo.co.uk so we can help."
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I saw a video that suggested the issue with joycon drift is that the contact on the board isn't made out of a strong enough material to withstand extensive, prolong use because the joystick side scrapes it off over time.
I'm no engineer, but it seems like an easy issue to fix in the future - but it requires enough pressure to be forced on Nintendo to change.
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This common Joy-Con drift issue can seriously jeopardize the success of the upcoming Switch Lite, since that device doesn't even allow you to remove and replace Joy-Cons. Who's gonna buy a brand new Switch Lite- not just a controller- when the drift happens again?
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I think the problem is just the sticks not being sealed well enough compared to other controllers, and dust eventually getting in there and screwing with the contact. Simple evidence of this is that you can inject these electric contact cleaners very easily, whereas you couldn't do that with a regular controller.
The more you move your sticks around (especially in a single consistent direction), and the "dirtier" your environment, the faster you'll get this drift.
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