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Yeah I was running a Charizard before I ran Venu. It's a good counter Pokemon in that it can beat Grass, Fighting, & Steel as well as hit a Giratina hard if shields are down but there doesn't seem to be enough Steel & fighting in the meta to run it reliably and he's terrible in neutral matchups because of low bulk or vs a Giratina with shields.
I had the same experience with leading with my Snorlax, too often the Giratina would come out last or often even worse something like a Togekiss would come out last.
Not having Frenzy Plant is a huge loss to Venusaur though, but even so I'd try running him point with razor leaf and just swapping to Snorlax early if you don't hit a favorable matchup to stay even on shielding. In my experience at least the worst matchup your opponent has for Snorlax (i.e they swap when you swap to Snorlax) is a lot more winnable than running wearing down your Snorlax vs a Marshstomp because you can't safely switch away from Snorlax.
More concisely, I think it's better to swap into a strong neutral pokemon like Snorlax or Muk than lead with them and not being able to swap to a specialist because your opponent will just swap after you do.
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Lead with Venusaur.. Opponents lead Giratina
Lead with Muk.. well, you know what happens
I went something like 23-0 after I first switched to Venusaur. My official streak is 25w 
Visiting my cousin on the weekend to catch me some more Meltans!
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Not having Frenzy Plant is a huge loss to Venusaur though, but even so I'd try running him point with razor leaf and just swapping to Snorlax early if you don't hit a favorable matchup to stay even on shielding. In my experience at least the worst matchup your opponent has for Snorlax (i.e they swap when you swap to Snorlax) is a lot more winnable than running wearing down your Snorlax vs a Marshstomp because you can't safely switch away from Snorlax.
More concisely, I think it's better to swap into a strong neutral pokemon like Snorlax or Muk than lead with them and not being able to swap to a specialist because your opponent will just swap after you do.
This is some good advice!
Earlier today I did make the swap and went 5-0 with Venusaur on point. Granted 3 of my opponents were leading with Swampert or Poliwrath so it was particularly easy.
Not being able to deplete my opponent's shields early with Venusaur wasn't much of a problem. Either Venusaur wrecks with Razor Leaf, or I swap to Snorlax and deplete the shields anyway. Another advantage of leading with Venusaur is that he was more likely to get his Sludge Bomb off eventually, as he will build energy at the start of the game and then (probably) get swapped.
My frustrations of the UL meta have somewhat lessened after that, I still think it'll be the league most dominated by 1 pokemon though (Giratina).
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On February 22 2020 00:54 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +Not having Frenzy Plant is a huge loss to Venusaur though, but even so I'd try running him point with razor leaf and just swapping to Snorlax early if you don't hit a favorable matchup to stay even on shielding. In my experience at least the worst matchup your opponent has for Snorlax (i.e they swap when you swap to Snorlax) is a lot more winnable than running wearing down your Snorlax vs a Marshstomp because you can't safely switch away from Snorlax.
More concisely, I think it's better to swap into a strong neutral pokemon like Snorlax or Muk than lead with them and not being able to swap to a specialist because your opponent will just swap after you do. This is some good advice! Earlier today I did make the swap and went 5-0 with Venusaur on point. Granted 3 of my opponents were leading with Swampert or Poliwrath so it was particularly easy. Not being able to deplete my opponent's shields early with Venusaur wasn't much of a problem. Either Venusaur wrecks with Razor Leaf, or I swap to Snorlax and deplete the shields anyway. Another advantage of leading with Venusaur is that he was more likely to get his Sludge Bomb off eventually, as he will build energy at the start of the game and then (probably) get swapped. My frustrations of the UL meta have somewhat lessened after that, I still think it'll be the league most dominated by 1 pokemon though (Giratina).
Yeah that was exactly my experience with the change! I basically quick win 30% of the match-ups by having Venusaur out, and the other 70% I make a low cost switch to Snorlax. Even if I gamble and lose my Venusaur in a neutral match-up, Giratina will still beat a Swampert 1 on 1.
It's extremely risky to run Charizard as point because of Swampert and same applies somewhat to a Muk, so it's really low odds you'll get punished for the Venusaur.
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Master league is out.
Currently running Dragonite/Tyranitar/Machamp but I found out I have absolutely nothing vs Togekiss...
Unfortunately my only shot at a maxed Steel type would be Melmetal and I'm quite far off having one.
Thinking of replacing my Tyranitar with the Rhyperior I got from CD. Double Rock moves will certainly shred a Togekiss, he has lots of weaknesses though...
e: after spending an obscene amount of stardust, I got myself a 3693 CP Rhyperior. Excited to try this team tonight. The only question is if I lead with Dragonite and keep Rhyperior as the 'safe switch' or lead with Rhyperior who should win the opening match-up vs most dragons and Togekiss.
The 4x weakness to Grass and Water is an issue, but due to the dragons dominating Master League, there shouldn't be too many Venusaurs or Swamperts around.
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Northern Ireland22212 Posts
What's the ideal togekiss counter? Dialga or Metagross?
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On February 25 2020 17:32 Laurens wrote:
Master league is out.
Currently running Dragonite/Tyranitar/Machamp but I found out I have absolutely nothing vs Togekiss...
Unfortunately my only shot at a maxed Steel type would be Melmetal and I'm quite far off having one.
Thinking of replacing my Tyranitar with the Rhyperior I got from CD. Double Rock moves will certainly shred a Togekiss, he has lots of weaknesses though...
e: after spending an obscene amount of stardust, I got myself a 3693 CP Rhyperior. Excited to try this team tonight. The only question is if I lead with Dragonite and keep Rhyperior as the 'safe switch' or lead with Rhyperior who should win the opening match-up vs most dragons and Togekiss.
The 4x weakness to Grass and Water is an issue, but due to the dragons dominating Master League, there shouldn't be too many Venusaurs or Swamperts around.
Yeah Togekiss is theoretically a pain for my team too, even though I have Melmetal to counter him. It'll be all about getting the right matchup, as my other two (Dragonite & Garchomp) would get stomped. Another issue is Melmetal is also the best counter to Dialga; so a Dialga/Togekiss team could be very challenging though Togekiss is still a bigger threat as Garchomp would beat Dialga if shields are down.
I got very lucky with my first 5 games, did not run into any Dialga or Togekiss at all. Almost all were against fairly weak opponents and I won handily. Looking forward to battling again after walking.
I would probably lead with Rhyperior as he is less popular (dunno if CD changes this though) and hence less likely to run into a counter as lead. Though now that I think about it, Kyogre is a good lead as he beats anything not a dragon especially with shields up. Swampert is also an elite in ML though people probably overlook him because of low CP.
On February 25 2020 18:52 ahswtini wrote:
What's the ideal togekiss counter? Dialga or Metagross?
I think its Metagross over Dialga for sure. Heatran is the current best as he double resists fairy.
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4-1 with Rhyperior, of course I didn't encounter a single Togekiss this time xD
Also 0 water/grass types thankfully, I'm sure there will be a Kyogre at some point to ruin my day.
Not sure who to pick as lead yet. I think Dragonite might be the best option, the only opening matchup I fear is Togekiss.
I used Rhyperior as lead in the above set of matches and had to swap him out vs a Machamp once. He was favoured in the other 4 so that's also not bad.
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On February 26 2020 02:44 Laurens wrote:
4-1 with Rhyperior, of course I didn't encounter a single Togekiss this time xD
Also 0 water/grass types thankfully, I'm sure there will be a Kyogre at some point to ruin my day.
Not sure who to pick as lead yet. I think Dragonite might be the best option, the only opening matchup I fear is Togekiss.
I used Rhyperior as lead in the above set of matches and had to swap him out vs a Machamp once. He was favoured in the other 4 so that's also not bad.
I can't argue with Dragonite, since I lead him myself
And personally it's uncomfortable starting off a match with so much shield pressure, which is what Dragonite does.
Finally ran into a Dialga (as lead, no less). Had to switch into Melmetal. He then switches to Melmetal himself. Turns out we were running the same team other than Dialga / Garchomp. Dunno if I got lucky but it somehow ended with Dragonite mirror, me having more health and him more energy. But I had 1 more shield so I won.
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3 Kyogres and 2 Swamperts this morning, looks like the Rhyperior won't last long xD
Definitely switched to Dragonite as lead now. Only saw 1 Togekiss.
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Northern Ireland22212 Posts
Is it pointless to run a non-legacy Dragonite (since it can't learn dragon breath?)
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I would say yes, but of course it depends on what alternatives you have available.
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Northern Ireland22212 Posts
Oh hang on, I just read that Dragon breath was reintroduced for Dragonite last year
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Yes, I can confirm. I've taught Dragon Breath, Dragon Claw, and Body Slam. They are back for now, no need to have a legacy pokemon, you just need to waste some TMs!
There's an official news release on what legacy moves are back. But mostly, all the relevant ones are available. But CD and special raid moves are still exclusive.
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I'm getting wrecked by Dialga lead in pretty much every match. What are you guys using to take him down?
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Using Melmetal! He's one of, if not the best, counter right now.
The other popular Togekiss counters (Metagross/Heatran/Regirock) would probably do ok vs Dialga as well, but would be a very close match with shields up.
Depending on the shield situation, Togekiss is also a great counter. It can't take an Iron Head. But unlike the others, does not rely on charge moves to deal damage, so is very reliable as a counter on a 2 shield situation.
The fighting pokes (Conkeldurr/Machamp) also counter Dialga well w/o relying on charge moves. Conkeldurr wins on a straight up match in a no-shield situation, or any scenario where it has at least one shield.
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Anyone have any idea what end of preseason rewards would be by rank? I just know that everyone rank4 and above will get a measly premium pass.
Have been stuck at Rank8 for a long time. 100pts to go and I dont know if I should make a push (maybe spend some coins) for rank9 or not.
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I don’t think there will be any because it’s preseason.
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On March 09 2020 15:08 Laurens wrote:
I don’t think there will be any because it’s preseason.
Well that's underwhelming.. it was still fun though
Edit: with all three leagues back.. I'm noticing (not that I've played a lot) that the ones who keep playing in Master League are those who have a Dialga.. so as long as you have an anti-Dialga team, your chances of winning are good
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You can try for the exclusive Pikachu cosmetic next season 
I went from 2500 to 2820 atm, still rising daily but usually only 5 points per set.
If the new season resets my rating back down to 2500-2600 levels I'm gonna be so fucking mad.
On the bright side I got Darkrai from Premium track on first attempt.
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