Guardians of Atlas - Page 60

On October 07 2016 05:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
consumers who pay to be in betas are play testing a consumer product. being involved in software development that is 2.5+ years before alpha is not play-testing a consumer product. its software development.

just stick to the facts man. Artillery produced nothing. Maybe they can sell the engine they made and recover some of the investor money they got by making over the top claims like they could make the video game console obsolete.

On October 07 2016 06:36 Plansix wrote:
You could always work for free forever, there is nothing prohibiting it. There is not requirement that you pay someone who is preforming labor of their own free will without offering to pay them. People can't do things you don't ask for and then demand payment.
You just don't know what you are talking about and should likely stop.

On October 07 2016 06:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:

i've linked the guidelines for unpaid work in Ontario. i'm going off of that and my personal experience dealing with the Ontario Ministry of Labour as an example jurisdiction. Several provinces in Canada have similar laws. Several 1st world countries use a similar approach.
"generally, if you perform work for another person or a company or other organization and you are not in business for yourself, you would be considered to be an employee, and therefore entitled to ESA rights such as the minimum wage."

that said, its arbitrary. if someone wants to secretly work for free they can easily do it.

in conclusion, hopefully all those who worked for free will be able to make money in their next project. Live Long and Prosper.

On October 07 2016 06:23 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
as an individual i wouldn't work on a software project for 3 years for free when the people in charge have $10 million to spend. that's just me. i wonder how many years Day9 worked for free. bet ya its zero.

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in conclusion, hopefully all those who worked for free will be able to make money in their next project. Live Long and Prosper.

On October 02 2016 03:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
no idea how people can be "shocked" or "stunned" with this game getting cancelled. It was a 4 year old company with no track record. With employees who had almost no track record with developing games and zero revenue. The game itself did not even have a revenue model.


they had experienced game makers running the show. For $10, the GG and the AoA the campaign and skirmish modes aren't half bad. As a full priced game with viable automatch multiplayer GG and AoA failed. You are correct though,

The makers of GG and AoA accomplished far more than the snake oil salesmen promising a browser-based platform that will make hte console obsolete and then ended up producing absolutely nothing.

I love RTS games and I admire all these developers for trying to make a great game I might love. However, the marketplace is just not there. Everyone is playing Clash of Clans and Mobile Strike to scratch their army-building, stragetical-tactical itch. And its more easy and more convenient to set up those games on a tablet than any PC-RTS game.

In retrospect, this is some awesome hyperbole and big talk marketing; what makes its even better is that fact these guys had never done a damn thing before.
http://www.dailydot.com/esports/project-atlas-artillery-games-day-nine-esports-ankur-pansari/

On October 09 2016 07:30 ccherng wrote:


What I don't understand is what the hell were they doing for 4 years? I mean maybe I'm underestimating the complexity involved in the feature set of their alpha game they released but 4 years to make that? Really?

And as pointed out by others Day9 is usual a very vocal person. So the fact that Day9 said virtually nothing about the game during all these years suggest that the CEO of the company wanted nothing about the game discussed. And also the testers were required to sign NDA. So my question is what was the point of the silence? What was the point of telling employees like Day9 and testers that they couldn't openly talk about the game. I mean how in whatever way was this suppose to improve excitement over the game.

It boggles my mind that no one at the company was saying this alpha is completely doomed, completely lacking excitement, and boring.

I mean the CEO must be a total retard for letting all the above happen or I must be completely retarded.

On October 07 2016 07:52 Spyridon wrote:


Your guidelines have been shown to not match up with your claims. You have been debunked. Yet you still argue it.



You have been an apologetic for Blizzard, promoting for them, putting in hours marketing for them, spreading rave reviews for them, praising their developers, working as a moderator for them, praising every choice they make for years.

In your career, you easily put in more work than any of the Atlas testers over the last few years.

How does it feel to work for Blizzard for so many years and not get paid for it? I give props to anyone who would volunteer so much of their time.

Guess that's why your jealous of Day9. Hopefully you find some projects in the future that you'll be able to make money on, rather than upsetting the people on this forum.

Maybe you should message Blizzard and send them that link with the guidelines for unpaid work. I mean, your case you have been talking about is so solid, it's bulletproof! You should have no problem being re-compensated, right?

On November 06 2016 10:36 KeksX wrote:
It's the other way around, that company was formed for the game. Not unusual.

On October 09 2016 07:30 ccherng wrote:
What I don't understand is what the hell were they doing for 4 years? I mean maybe I'm underestimating the complexity involved in the feature set of their alpha game they released but 4 years to make that? Really?

What I don't understand is what the hell were they doing for 4 years? I mean maybe I'm underestimating the complexity involved in the feature set of their alpha game they released but 4 years to make that? Really?