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The haste is good, but left column isn't much of an orb change. It has two TPAs, but the other awakenings are mediocre. Ronia doesn't have the greatest awakenings either, but better stats. Ronia has recover bind which could be useful considering his box. He isn't going to be losing descends because of damage. He needs utility cards because he doesn't have good bind removal, shields, board changers etc
He can't farm at all because he doesn't have cards. Ronia being able to farm is an advantage several months from now whereas Markab will be replaced and be useless. Ronia might only be marginally useful, but better than nothing. If enough Machine cards are released then Markab could actually be a decent farming lead though.
The biggest advantage of Ronia is that he doesn't actually have Awoken Shiva yet. He needs a leader that can clear Grimoire and Ronia is likely the best option for that. I'm not sure of the power level of his Isis team though.
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On January 07 2016 01:33 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
The haste is good, but left column isn't much of an orb change. It has two TPAs, but the other awakenings are mediocre. Ronia doesn't have the greatest awakenings either, but better stats. Ronia has recover bind which could be useful considering his box. He isn't going to be losing descends because of damage. He needs utility cards because he doesn't have good bind removal, shields, board changers etc
He can't farm at all because he doesn't have cards. Ronia being able to farm is an advantage several months from now whereas Markab will be replaced and be useless. Ronia might only be marginally useful, but better than nothing. If enough Machine cards are released then Markab could actually be a decent farming lead though.
The biggest advantage of Ronia is that he doesn't actually have Awoken Shiva yet. He needs a leader that can clear Grimoire and Ronia is likely the best option for that. I'm not sure of the power level of his Isis team though.
My teams are up here:
https://www.padherder.com/user/DivineLight/teams/#205492
Ronia seems like she would be fairly easy to evolve twice, all I need is 1 more Red Dragon Fruit. What I don't get is her L.Skill is mainly focused on boosting Devils (2.5x ATK/RCV), and that is similar to what I ran before (you can see it under "Devil Teams"), but I can't do shit with these teams, despite having Cloud of Darkness which is 1.5x HP, 2x ATK, which doesn't seem that far off. As in, even with another Devil booster, I don't do enough damage; I do far more damage with a combination of Isis/Bastet or Isis/Shiva. Why does she work?
I get that my Devils are pretty shitty in terms of Awoken/skills, will the subs make that much of a difference and how so?
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Ronia is a 3x atk leader rather than just 2x with a better active skill. The problem with your old devil teams is that they have less than 500 recovery. Ronia will help significantly with her leader skill 2.5 rcv bonus, but you need to farm a Vampire or something that has some recovery as well most likely.
Pairing with Lubu is pretty poor for your setup since he is another card with poor recovery. If you want burst you should pick up a king baddie. Beelzebub or another Ronia would be much better friend leaders so your recovery isn't so abysmal. The Ronia team just heals up whatever damage it takes. The Beelzebub pairing gives it enough hitpoints to take the big hits while Ronia provides slightly more damage.
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Canada8033 Posts
Your biggest problem is that your teams have no synergy. This is why we're telling you to roll more godfests. Most ideal teams have mono-color main attributes unless their active ability or awakenings provide a ton of utility (eg. Bringing Isis on a Devil team purely for clearing binds).
Why is color so important? It's because it allows you to be more efficient with your orbs. Imagine only matching 3 orbs. There's an obvious damage difference if all of your monsters deal damage instead of only 1 or 2. Now add orb changers to the mix - suddenly we're talking about high damage which we can consistently output.
Look at my old Beel team if you want an example. Everyone's a devil. 5/6 cards are dark main attribute. 2 cards are orb changers, and 1 is a full board change. 1 card is a multiplier for bursting. 1 card is a gravity (which is actually not that great, but his awakenings are good).
IF you run Ronia, you should do something like Ronia / Lumiel / Vampire (farm one) / King Baddie (farm one, it's super easy) / (flex) / Beelezebub or Ronia friend.
You could maybe stick Zeromus in the flex for now because he's leveled. Lilith (farm one) is also a possible flex because of her utility, rcv, and her 1.5x attack boost.
Why Ronia over Cloud of Darkness? Because:
- Decent awakenings
- Better stats
- Better multipliers in the leader skill (it does matter)
- Red main attribute, not green. Green devils are nonexistent.
- Full board change for an active skill. I cannot stress how useful this is.
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Also if you ever plan to run a fire Ronia team, I have Christmas Ronia you can pair up with
But you need red devils to make that team
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Thanks for the explanations, everyone. I feel like I finally have a clear goal ^^
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Another thing you can do for easy farming short of starlight sanctuary is get a hypermax shiva dragon best friend. I think you want to lead with Gilgamesh and subs like Markab, Shiva, Phoenix Knight, and fire dragon swordsman.
With hp over 50% you have 15x multiplier on fire gods (shivadra, shiva, and markab) so making 1-2 fire TPAs should be enough to wipe almost any T5-6 boss floor. 3 orb changers also isn't too shabby if you get orb trolled.
The Ronia team suggested is decent but this is kind of a stopgap that you could field right now. Tbh I wouldn't even worry about descends too much and just farm normals for rank and fodder exp until you save enough stones for some good pulls.
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On January 07 2016 14:09 RuskiPanda wrote:
Another thing you can do for easy farming short of starlight sanctuary is get a hypermax shiva dragon best friend. I think you want to lead with Gilgamesh and subs like Markab, Shiva, Phoenix Knight, and fire dragon swordsman.
With hp over 50% you have 15x multiplier on fire gods (shivadra, shiva, and markab) so making 1-2 fire TPAs should be enough to wipe almost any T5-6 boss floor. 3 orb changers also isn't too shabby if you get orb trolled.
The Ronia team suggested is decent but this is kind of a stopgap that you could field right now. Tbh I wouldn't even worry about descends too much and just farm normals for rank and fodder exp until you save enough stones for some good pulls.
I ran Gilgamesh teams with Phoenix Knight, Samurai Goblin, Markab, and Shiva in the past but as soon as I fall below 50% for whatever reason, I can't seem to get back over it because my next turn doesn't remove any of the monsters that are likely fucking me up every turn, and it just becomes a depressing descent into death ): Haven't ran them in a while, as you can tell by Gilga's level.
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Yeah the idea with that setup is you ideally never take a hit from Shiva Dragon just killing everything. I understand your reservations though- if you get a chance to evolve Shiva to his R/D form he's also a 3x fire leader without the hp requirement of gilgamesh.
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building a full ronia team is an enormous investment.
an investment that will not pay off, as soon as you pull a decent leader, and I guarantee you it will happen before you finish your ronia team.
your stamina pool is quite limited currently, and assuming you are non-iap, building this team will take forever.
As for getting a.shiva - clearing the sorceress descend isn't that hard. I did it when I was around rank 130.
It does take a stone sometimes to finish the dgn, but it's well worth it.
Also - don't bother with trying to do mythical straight off the bat, as some people have mentioned here.
Mythical is quite a bit harder for a person starting out (I felt it quite badly myself). Legend is doable. The drop rate isn't THAT bad.
Me getting theurgia took like 8 runs, which is not too bad. the stamina investment is much smaller than actually building a team that can clear mythical.
As for phoenix get it from sky dragon's domain.
The dgn has decent exp ratio and a decent +egg drop rate on x3 normals, so it's not a complete waste running it even if the phoenix doesn't drop.
you're best off running it on sundays and mondays tho due to 1.5x drop rate.
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That is just so sad that you wasted your rolls on the collab egg machine 
Prime example why you should only roll during godfests!
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On January 07 2016 16:21 abuse wrote:
building a full ronia team is an enormous investment.
an investment that will not pay off, as soon as you pull a decent leader, and I guarantee you it will happen before you finish your ronia team.
your stamina pool is quite limited currently, and assuming you are non-iap, building this team will take forever.
As for getting a.shiva - clearing the sorceress descend isn't that hard. I did it when I was around rank 130.
It does take a stone sometimes to finish the dgn, but it's well worth it.
Also - don't bother with trying to do mythical straight off the bat, as some people have mentioned here.
Mythical is quite a bit harder for a person starting out (I felt it quite badly myself). Legend is doable. The drop rate isn't THAT bad.
Me getting theurgia took like 8 runs, which is not too bad. the stamina investment is much smaller than actually building a team that can clear mythical.
As for phoenix get it from sky dragon's domain.
The dgn has decent exp ratio and a decent +egg drop rate on x3 normals, so it's not a complete waste running it even if the phoenix doesn't drop.
you're best off running it on sundays and mondays tho due to 1.5x drop rate.
Thanks for the feedback. I am doing non-IAP, so yea it's kinda harsh. The other day I messed up a 40 stamina dungeon run TWICE because I had the wrong team up and didn't notice. There goes an entire evening lol.
On January 07 2016 16:34 abuse wrote:That is just so sad that you wasted your rolls on the collab egg machine Prime example why you should only roll during godfests!
I don't think I did... I got the Devils from running the collab dungeons many times when they were up.
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On January 07 2016 17:10 Jealous wrote:
I don't think I did... I got the Devils from running the collab dungeons many times when they were up.
My bad 
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A Yomi has a stupid effective all attributes team for Kanetsugu.
A yomi/yomi dragon/a haku/diza/zaerog covers it all with room to change things. I only use the Diza here because it has a fire sub but something like Dark valk would probably be more effective here.
Snoozes through mythical.
That's also the team I use for GYP except sub Swimsuit Valk for YomiDra
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Thought I went in with Yomidra team
Went in with my experimental Lakshmi team lol
Always double check ><
Why not just use YomiDra
save the effort of comboing
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Vancouver14381 Posts
Mamiya has 4 dark resists so it's 20% reduced.
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On January 07 2016 19:32 JSH wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Thought I went in with Yomidra team Went in with my experimental Lakshmi team lol Always double check >< Why not just use YomiDra save the effort of comboing
Well I could but I find myself annoyingly often having no dark orbs at all when I just try to not combo with Yomidra and unlike Yomi he can't produce enhance orbs on demand.
So I find myself comboing anyway to guarantee at least one dark orb drop...so I may as well just Yomi. I do both depending on how much I want to pay attention at any one time. If I had an Eschemali It would without a doubt be Yomidra i'd be using.
I am also using A Yomi to practice more with her. The whole 5 orbs at once thing while trying to combo up to seven is still giving me annoyances and im trying to figure out the best ways to solve boards with it. I am definitely thinking about it far more streamlined now at least.
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On January 07 2016 20:37 JBright wrote:
Mamiya has 4 dark resists so it's 20% reduced.
well spotted, thanks!
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by the way, i noticed that kanetsugu is actually a pretty awesome dungeon to farm. not only does it drop a ton of +eggs now, but also the drops themselves are pretty nice.
Skillups for the ninjas are great to have.
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On January 07 2016 16:21 abuse wrote:
building a full ronia team is an enormous investment.
an investment that will not pay off, as soon as you pull a decent leader, and I guarantee you it will happen before you finish your ronia team.
your stamina pool is quite limited currently, and assuming you are non-iap, building this team will take forever.
With this logic you should only log in to get free stones. Even the Shiva isn't an S-Tier leader so why bother devoting time to it? If you don't have fun grinding teams that will become obsolete you should probably just quit the game now before you're disappointed.
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