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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
May 22 2013 16:02 GMT
#1301
On May 23 2013 00:55 Reborn58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 00:12 Shikyo wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:07 FFW_Rude wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:04 a176 wrote:
On May 22 2013 22:35 JeremyK wrote:
Here is why I am disappointed. What will Xbox One bring to my TV experience to justify losing my existing functionality only to avoid hitting the input button on my remote?

Microsoft partners with one of the worst rated customer service cable providers in the country and expects the rest of us to want to give up our superior service? I would never, EVER, pay for Comcast.

My Directv box can:

Record 4 shows at once
Set up recordings from web
Watch from multiple rooms

Can Xbox One do any of that? No idea, their big premier gave us zero details on any of it.

What does xbox one do:
Allow me to get fantasy updates while watching sports
??
??
??


All microsoft had to do was show an updated 360 and I was ready to throw my money at them. How in the world they managed to make me reconsider getting the new xbox is beyond me.


Microsoft is on a roll, Win8, XONE. Wonder what's next?


You can't judge that... You don't even know what will be the Xbox One. EVERYONE was shitting on MS when they put up the Xbox live... And it's a success. You can't judge something that is not even out yet...

It's like judging Legacy of the void by the information we have and say : "It's terrible". I thought only french people were like that ! I'm shocked ! (And i'm French :p).

Without the mockery i would say : Wait. See. Try. And then judge.

It's like judging legacy of the void by an official announcement blizzard gives about it.

If they give an official announcement about legacy of the void that is terrible I can bet you anything that people will call it terrible.


It's like if they announced that with legacy of the void you could also use your pc without alt-tabbing...instead you could speak to it or hand motion. And then people freaked out and said they aren't buying lotv and it sucks because they don't mind alt-tabbing and that the entire game must suck because they gave us the option to not alt-tab.

Quit crying, everyone. The system offers all this extra functionality and all you can do is complain that it somehow ruins the system. Grow up.


And without trying the system ! (That's so fantastic)
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
May 22 2013 16:03 GMT
#1302
On May 23 2013 00:55 Reborn58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 00:12 Shikyo wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:07 FFW_Rude wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:04 a176 wrote:
On May 22 2013 22:35 JeremyK wrote:
Here is why I am disappointed. What will Xbox One bring to my TV experience to justify losing my existing functionality only to avoid hitting the input button on my remote?

Microsoft partners with one of the worst rated customer service cable providers in the country and expects the rest of us to want to give up our superior service? I would never, EVER, pay for Comcast.

My Directv box can:

Record 4 shows at once
Set up recordings from web
Watch from multiple rooms

Can Xbox One do any of that? No idea, their big premier gave us zero details on any of it.

What does xbox one do:
Allow me to get fantasy updates while watching sports
??
??
??


All microsoft had to do was show an updated 360 and I was ready to throw my money at them. How in the world they managed to make me reconsider getting the new xbox is beyond me.


Microsoft is on a roll, Win8, XONE. Wonder what's next?


You can't judge that... You don't even know what will be the Xbox One. EVERYONE was shitting on MS when they put up the Xbox live... And it's a success. You can't judge something that is not even out yet...

It's like judging Legacy of the void by the information we have and say : "It's terrible". I thought only french people were like that ! I'm shocked ! (And i'm French :p).

Without the mockery i would say : Wait. See. Try. And then judge.

It's like judging legacy of the void by an official announcement blizzard gives about it.

If they give an official announcement about legacy of the void that is terrible I can bet you anything that people will call it terrible.


It's like if they announced that with legacy of the void you could also use your pc without alt-tabbing...instead you could speak to it or hand motion. And then people freaked out and said they aren't buying lotv and it sucks because they don't mind alt-tabbing and that the entire game must suck because they gave us the option to not alt-tab.

Quit crying, everyone. The system offers all this extra functionality and all you can do is complain that it somehow ruins the system. Grow up.


Also they like if they announced legacy of the void by just showing gimmicky features during the announcement without showing what most people that buy the product actually want not to mention Blizzard would only focus on one market and basically completely ignore everyone else. I'm not in the US or the UK . I know i won't be able to use basically every one of those features not related to gaming and would still have to pay for them regardless .

FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
May 22 2013 16:04 GMT
#1303
On May 23 2013 01:03 s3rp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 00:55 Reborn58 wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:12 Shikyo wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:07 FFW_Rude wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:04 a176 wrote:
On May 22 2013 22:35 JeremyK wrote:
Here is why I am disappointed. What will Xbox One bring to my TV experience to justify losing my existing functionality only to avoid hitting the input button on my remote?

Microsoft partners with one of the worst rated customer service cable providers in the country and expects the rest of us to want to give up our superior service? I would never, EVER, pay for Comcast.

My Directv box can:

Record 4 shows at once
Set up recordings from web
Watch from multiple rooms

Can Xbox One do any of that? No idea, their big premier gave us zero details on any of it.

What does xbox one do:
Allow me to get fantasy updates while watching sports
??
??
??


All microsoft had to do was show an updated 360 and I was ready to throw my money at them. How in the world they managed to make me reconsider getting the new xbox is beyond me.


Microsoft is on a roll, Win8, XONE. Wonder what's next?


You can't judge that... You don't even know what will be the Xbox One. EVERYONE was shitting on MS when they put up the Xbox live... And it's a success. You can't judge something that is not even out yet...

It's like judging Legacy of the void by the information we have and say : "It's terrible". I thought only french people were like that ! I'm shocked ! (And i'm French :p).

Without the mockery i would say : Wait. See. Try. And then judge.

It's like judging legacy of the void by an official announcement blizzard gives about it.

If they give an official announcement about legacy of the void that is terrible I can bet you anything that people will call it terrible.


It's like if they announced that with legacy of the void you could also use your pc without alt-tabbing...instead you could speak to it or hand motion. And then people freaked out and said they aren't buying lotv and it sucks because they don't mind alt-tabbing and that the entire game must suck because they gave us the option to not alt-tab.

Quit crying, everyone. The system offers all this extra functionality and all you can do is complain that it somehow ruins the system. Grow up.


Also they like if they announced legacy of the void by just showing gimmicky features during the announcement without showing what most people that buy the product actually want not to mention Blizzard would only focus on one market and basically completely ignore everyone else. I'm not in the US or the UK . I know i won't be able to use basically every one of those features not related to gaming and would still have to pay for them regardless .



Because you already know with the US showing in US for US people that they will have nothing to offer to europe...
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
poisui
Profile Joined July 2011
1088 Posts
May 22 2013 16:06 GMT
#1304
On May 23 2013 00:22 BaneKingPrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 00:04 a176 wrote:
On May 22 2013 22:35 JeremyK wrote:
Here is why I am disappointed. What will Xbox One bring to my TV experience to justify losing my existing functionality only to avoid hitting the input button on my remote?

Microsoft partners with one of the worst rated customer service cable providers in the country and expects the rest of us to want to give up our superior service? I would never, EVER, pay for Comcast.

My Directv box can:

Record 4 shows at once
Set up recordings from web
Watch from multiple rooms

Can Xbox One do any of that? No idea, their big premier gave us zero details on any of it.

What does xbox one do:
Allow me to get fantasy updates while watching sports
??
??
??


All microsoft had to do was show an updated 360 and I was ready to throw my money at them. How in the world they managed to make me reconsider getting the new xbox is beyond me.


Microsoft is on a roll, Win8, XONE. Wonder what's next?


you forgot to mention windows 8 RT and surface pro

The Windows Phone is also pretty awful. I bought one a few months ago and I regret it so much. =(
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
May 22 2013 16:06 GMT
#1305
On May 23 2013 00:55 Reborn58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 00:12 Shikyo wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:07 FFW_Rude wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:04 a176 wrote:
On May 22 2013 22:35 JeremyK wrote:
Here is why I am disappointed. What will Xbox One bring to my TV experience to justify losing my existing functionality only to avoid hitting the input button on my remote?

Microsoft partners with one of the worst rated customer service cable providers in the country and expects the rest of us to want to give up our superior service? I would never, EVER, pay for Comcast.

My Directv box can:

Record 4 shows at once
Set up recordings from web
Watch from multiple rooms

Can Xbox One do any of that? No idea, their big premier gave us zero details on any of it.

What does xbox one do:
Allow me to get fantasy updates while watching sports
??
??
??


All microsoft had to do was show an updated 360 and I was ready to throw my money at them. How in the world they managed to make me reconsider getting the new xbox is beyond me.


Microsoft is on a roll, Win8, XONE. Wonder what's next?


You can't judge that... You don't even know what will be the Xbox One. EVERYONE was shitting on MS when they put up the Xbox live... And it's a success. You can't judge something that is not even out yet...

It's like judging Legacy of the void by the information we have and say : "It's terrible". I thought only french people were like that ! I'm shocked ! (And i'm French :p).

Without the mockery i would say : Wait. See. Try. And then judge.

It's like judging legacy of the void by an official announcement blizzard gives about it.

If they give an official announcement about legacy of the void that is terrible I can bet you anything that people will call it terrible.


It's like if they announced that with legacy of the void you could also use your pc without alt-tabbing...instead you could speak to it or hand motion. And then people freaked out and said they aren't buying lotv and it sucks because they don't mind alt-tabbing and that the entire game must suck because they gave us the option to not alt-tab.

Quit crying, everyone. The system offers all this extra functionality and all you can do is complain that it somehow ruins the system. Grow up.

Not exactly a good comparison. Here, let me correct it for you.
It's like if they announced that legacy of the void would be hots + you can also use your pc without alt tabbing. you can like hand jazz and speak to it like a star trek computer. Keep in mind there's nothing new to the game, it's still HoTS, but now you can speak to your computer like a retard.
Capitalism is beneficial for people who work harder than other people. Under capitalism the only way to make more money is to work harder then your competitors whether they be other companies or workers. ~ Vegetarian
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 16:11:41
May 22 2013 16:11 GMT
#1306
On May 23 2013 01:04 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 01:03 s3rp wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:55 Reborn58 wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:12 Shikyo wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:07 FFW_Rude wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:04 a176 wrote:
On May 22 2013 22:35 JeremyK wrote:
Here is why I am disappointed. What will Xbox One bring to my TV experience to justify losing my existing functionality only to avoid hitting the input button on my remote?

Microsoft partners with one of the worst rated customer service cable providers in the country and expects the rest of us to want to give up our superior service? I would never, EVER, pay for Comcast.

My Directv box can:

Record 4 shows at once
Set up recordings from web
Watch from multiple rooms

Can Xbox One do any of that? No idea, their big premier gave us zero details on any of it.

What does xbox one do:
Allow me to get fantasy updates while watching sports
??
??
??


All microsoft had to do was show an updated 360 and I was ready to throw my money at them. How in the world they managed to make me reconsider getting the new xbox is beyond me.


Microsoft is on a roll, Win8, XONE. Wonder what's next?


You can't judge that... You don't even know what will be the Xbox One. EVERYONE was shitting on MS when they put up the Xbox live... And it's a success. You can't judge something that is not even out yet...

It's like judging Legacy of the void by the information we have and say : "It's terrible". I thought only french people were like that ! I'm shocked ! (And i'm French :p).

Without the mockery i would say : Wait. See. Try. And then judge.

It's like judging legacy of the void by an official announcement blizzard gives about it.

If they give an official announcement about legacy of the void that is terrible I can bet you anything that people will call it terrible.


It's like if they announced that with legacy of the void you could also use your pc without alt-tabbing...instead you could speak to it or hand motion. And then people freaked out and said they aren't buying lotv and it sucks because they don't mind alt-tabbing and that the entire game must suck because they gave us the option to not alt-tab.

Quit crying, everyone. The system offers all this extra functionality and all you can do is complain that it somehow ruins the system. Grow up.


Also they like if they announced legacy of the void by just showing gimmicky features during the announcement without showing what most people that buy the product actually want not to mention Blizzard would only focus on one market and basically completely ignore everyone else. I'm not in the US or the UK . I know i won't be able to use basically every one of those features not related to gaming and would still have to pay for them regardless .



Because you already know with the US showing in US for US people that they will have nothing to offer to europe...


Considering how it currently works on the 360 here and from what you can gather in official statements this is more than just an educated guess.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 22 2013 16:43 GMT
#1307
It also doesn't help that people are now posting stills of how rushed it seemed the CoD Ghosts "unveiling" was in terms of graphics etc.

E3 is only three weeks away. That might be important - it might, in fact, be central to Microsoft's thinking. Perhaps the company thought that, with the annual gaming jamboree fast-approaching, it could bundle all of the excruciating corporate newspeak and market positioning nonsense into a brief one-hour press conference and then - with appropriate lip service and homage paid to the twin gods of broadcast TV and American sports - it could rapidly move on to an E3 focused almost exclusively on games, delighting the core audience so much that they'll utterly forget a coming-out party that seemed to imply a jumped-up cable box that merely plays games as an afterthought.

I sincerely hope that's the case - that Microsoft is keeping its powder dry for E3. It's an odd and probably deeply misguided communications strategy, since the firm completely held the specialist press' attention for the days surrounding its unveiling event and could have used that to set the tone for E3. Instead, whatever wonders it pulls out of the bag at E3 must now act first and foremost as damage control, a job made tougher by sharing the airwaves with what will no doubt be a massive charm offensive on Sony's part. Still, while such a muddled reveal isn't a great start, the firm did tease 15 exclusive launch window titles, eight of them new IPs - an E3 focused with laser precision on that line-up would cover up early stumbles nicely.

That assumes, of course, that Microsoft understands and accepts that what happened this week was a stumble. There's a more pessimistic interpretation, one to which core consumers have been quick to leap - that Microsoft genuinely believes in the way it positioned Xbox One (a daft name, but we got used to "Wii" so I suppose we've proved that daft names aren't much of a stumbling block). That here is a company which is so arrogantly confident in its dominance of the core gaming space that it believes it no longer has anything to prove - that it can take for granted the support of core gamers and early adopters, instead focusing its energies from the outset on television, movies, sports, music and, er, Skype.

If that sounds familiar, it's probably because - like me - you watched the Xbox One reveal with strong flashbacks to exactly the kind of hubris and arrogant assumption which dogged and ultimately crippled Sony's launch of the PlayStation 3. Rather than seeking to enrapture and engage the tens of millions of core gamers upon whose support a successful hardware launch might be built, Sony simply assumed that they would support PS3 no matter what - a line of reasoning which led to a ludicrous price point (they'll get second jobs to afford one, remember?) for a system openly intended as vehicle for the nascent Blu-ray movie standard and both designed and promoted as a home entertainment hub rather than a games device. Core gamers, in the end, demurred in large numbers, preferring Microsoft's upstart Xbox 360. There's always a choice, and having usurped Sony's market dominance only a few scant years ago, you'd think that Microsoft would recall that brand loyalty - quite rightly - doesn't run all that deep.


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Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
May 22 2013 16:43 GMT
#1308
On May 23 2013 01:06 Jormundr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 00:55 Reborn58 wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:12 Shikyo wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:07 FFW_Rude wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:04 a176 wrote:
On May 22 2013 22:35 JeremyK wrote:
Here is why I am disappointed. What will Xbox One bring to my TV experience to justify losing my existing functionality only to avoid hitting the input button on my remote?

Microsoft partners with one of the worst rated customer service cable providers in the country and expects the rest of us to want to give up our superior service? I would never, EVER, pay for Comcast.

My Directv box can:

Record 4 shows at once
Set up recordings from web
Watch from multiple rooms

Can Xbox One do any of that? No idea, their big premier gave us zero details on any of it.

What does xbox one do:
Allow me to get fantasy updates while watching sports
??
??
??


All microsoft had to do was show an updated 360 and I was ready to throw my money at them. How in the world they managed to make me reconsider getting the new xbox is beyond me.


Microsoft is on a roll, Win8, XONE. Wonder what's next?


You can't judge that... You don't even know what will be the Xbox One. EVERYONE was shitting on MS when they put up the Xbox live... And it's a success. You can't judge something that is not even out yet...

It's like judging Legacy of the void by the information we have and say : "It's terrible". I thought only french people were like that ! I'm shocked ! (And i'm French :p).

Without the mockery i would say : Wait. See. Try. And then judge.

It's like judging legacy of the void by an official announcement blizzard gives about it.

If they give an official announcement about legacy of the void that is terrible I can bet you anything that people will call it terrible.


It's like if they announced that with legacy of the void you could also use your pc without alt-tabbing...instead you could speak to it or hand motion. And then people freaked out and said they aren't buying lotv and it sucks because they don't mind alt-tabbing and that the entire game must suck because they gave us the option to not alt-tab.

Quit crying, everyone. The system offers all this extra functionality and all you can do is complain that it somehow ruins the system. Grow up.

Not exactly a good comparison. Here, let me correct it for you.
It's like if they announced that legacy of the void would be hots + you can also use your pc without alt tabbing. you can like hand jazz and speak to it like a star trek computer. Keep in mind there's nothing new to the game, it's still HoTS, but now you can speak to your computer like a retard.


I really have no idea how that would work, but I'm guessing here's the thing about the xbox problems.
1) No price range. Without at least stating a range (even of 100$ or so), they leave too much speculation, and with all the features, people expect costs to be high.
2) Many of these features have nothing to do with games. They add other functions, but most of which are aimed to make it an all in one device, but game features were very few. Compare this to the Wii U, where most of the features were brought back to relate to games. Hell, the PS4 features were brought back to being about games.
3) We know barely anything about the games. PS4 we got a few glimpses, same for Wii U. We have no idea what exactly the Xbox is going to be doing for games, or how it will be advancing it. Angry Joe was right. If you don't have things ready, then don't have a reveal.
4) I still don't understand the name Xbox One. PS4 is self-explanatory, they explained what Wii U was. What does the One signify? That they won? It's all in One? It's number One? (keep in mind this is a much smaller detail, people will still call it Xbox).
5) No hints dropped. Just saying you have some new titles is pretty bad. They could have gave some hints like "and coming up at E3 is a game you guys have been waiting for for a long time" or something. We have no information about what we'll be getting.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
May 22 2013 16:54 GMT
#1309
On May 23 2013 01:43 Dark_Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 01:06 Jormundr wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:55 Reborn58 wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:12 Shikyo wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:07 FFW_Rude wrote:
On May 23 2013 00:04 a176 wrote:
On May 22 2013 22:35 JeremyK wrote:
Here is why I am disappointed. What will Xbox One bring to my TV experience to justify losing my existing functionality only to avoid hitting the input button on my remote?

Microsoft partners with one of the worst rated customer service cable providers in the country and expects the rest of us to want to give up our superior service? I would never, EVER, pay for Comcast.

My Directv box can:

Record 4 shows at once
Set up recordings from web
Watch from multiple rooms

Can Xbox One do any of that? No idea, their big premier gave us zero details on any of it.

What does xbox one do:
Allow me to get fantasy updates while watching sports
??
??
??


All microsoft had to do was show an updated 360 and I was ready to throw my money at them. How in the world they managed to make me reconsider getting the new xbox is beyond me.


Microsoft is on a roll, Win8, XONE. Wonder what's next?


You can't judge that... You don't even know what will be the Xbox One. EVERYONE was shitting on MS when they put up the Xbox live... And it's a success. You can't judge something that is not even out yet...

It's like judging Legacy of the void by the information we have and say : "It's terrible". I thought only french people were like that ! I'm shocked ! (And i'm French :p).

Without the mockery i would say : Wait. See. Try. And then judge.

It's like judging legacy of the void by an official announcement blizzard gives about it.

If they give an official announcement about legacy of the void that is terrible I can bet you anything that people will call it terrible.


It's like if they announced that with legacy of the void you could also use your pc without alt-tabbing...instead you could speak to it or hand motion. And then people freaked out and said they aren't buying lotv and it sucks because they don't mind alt-tabbing and that the entire game must suck because they gave us the option to not alt-tab.

Quit crying, everyone. The system offers all this extra functionality and all you can do is complain that it somehow ruins the system. Grow up.

Not exactly a good comparison. Here, let me correct it for you.
It's like if they announced that legacy of the void would be hots + you can also use your pc without alt tabbing. you can like hand jazz and speak to it like a star trek computer. Keep in mind there's nothing new to the game, it's still HoTS, but now you can speak to your computer like a retard.


I really have no idea how that would work, but I'm guessing here's the thing about the xbox problems.
1) No price range. Without at least stating a range (even of 100$ or so), they leave too much speculation, and with all the features, people expect costs to be high.
2) Many of these features have nothing to do with games. They add other functions, but most of which are aimed to make it an all in one device, but game features were very few. Compare this to the Wii U, where most of the features were brought back to relate to games. Hell, the PS4 features were brought back to being about games.
3) We know barely anything about the games. PS4 we got a few glimpses, same for Wii U. We have no idea what exactly the Xbox is going to be doing for games, or how it will be advancing it. Angry Joe was right. If you don't have things ready, then don't have a reveal.
4) I still don't understand the name Xbox One. PS4 is self-explanatory, they explained what Wii U was. What does the One signify? That they won? It's all in One? It's number One? (keep in mind this is a much smaller detail, people will still call it Xbox).
5) No hints dropped. Just saying you have some new titles is pretty bad. They could have gave some hints like "and coming up at E3 is a game you guys have been waiting for for a long time" or something. We have no information about what we'll be getting.



I think the Xbox One thing comes out of the recent trend of naming new phones. A lot of companies are releasing newer versions of the same phone and calling it the INSERT BRAND AND LINE One. The new HTC One for instance is just an update of the OneX, instead of calling it the OneZ or the TwoX they have gone back to One. Many other companies are trying the same thing, obviously the market research is showing that rising numbers are bad and INSERT PRODUCT NAME One is the way forward.
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
TerribleTrioJon
Profile Joined May 2012
United States57 Posts
May 22 2013 17:02 GMT
#1310
One thing I'm really concerned about is that Microsoft indicated that there might be a fee or charge for using pre-owned/friend's games, and that the games would be tied to the system. That would drive up costs or throw a wrench into many things, not the least of which is MLG's and other Esports tournaments, as well as LANs with consoles and big ones like quakecon.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22623010


In other thoughts, I like the simple and more muted design and aesthetics, and I'm glad that the hardware is getting a decent upgrade (from a console perspective). I don't care for the gimmicks (like TV/voice recognition/kinect features), and I'll wait for E3 to see actual game content. As of now, I think I'd prefer getting it over the new Playstation, but I'm pretty satisfied with the xbox 360 that I have now.
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-22 17:14:51
May 22 2013 17:05 GMT
#1311
On May 23 2013 01:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
It also doesn't help that people are now posting stills of how rushed it seemed the CoD Ghosts "unveiling" was in terms of graphics etc.

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E3 is only three weeks away. That might be important - it might, in fact, be central to Microsoft's thinking. Perhaps the company thought that, with the annual gaming jamboree fast-approaching, it could bundle all of the excruciating corporate newspeak and market positioning nonsense into a brief one-hour press conference and then - with appropriate lip service and homage paid to the twin gods of broadcast TV and American sports - it could rapidly move on to an E3 focused almost exclusively on games, delighting the core audience so much that they'll utterly forget a coming-out party that seemed to imply a jumped-up cable box that merely plays games as an afterthought.

I sincerely hope that's the case - that Microsoft is keeping its powder dry for E3. It's an odd and probably deeply misguided communications strategy, since the firm completely held the specialist press' attention for the days surrounding its unveiling event and could have used that to set the tone for E3. Instead, whatever wonders it pulls out of the bag at E3 must now act first and foremost as damage control, a job made tougher by sharing the airwaves with what will no doubt be a massive charm offensive on Sony's part. Still, while such a muddled reveal isn't a great start, the firm did tease 15 exclusive launch window titles, eight of them new IPs - an E3 focused with laser precision on that line-up would cover up early stumbles nicely.

That assumes, of course, that Microsoft understands and accepts that what happened this week was a stumble. There's a more pessimistic interpretation, one to which core consumers have been quick to leap - that Microsoft genuinely believes in the way it positioned Xbox One (a daft name, but we got used to "Wii" so I suppose we've proved that daft names aren't much of a stumbling block). That here is a company which is so arrogantly confident in its dominance of the core gaming space that it believes it no longer has anything to prove - that it can take for granted the support of core gamers and early adopters, instead focusing its energies from the outset on television, movies, sports, music and, er, Skype.

If that sounds familiar, it's probably because - like me - you watched the Xbox One reveal with strong flashbacks to exactly the kind of hubris and arrogant assumption which dogged and ultimately crippled Sony's launch of the PlayStation 3. Rather than seeking to enrapture and engage the tens of millions of core gamers upon whose support a successful hardware launch might be built, Sony simply assumed that they would support PS3 no matter what - a line of reasoning which led to a ludicrous price point (they'll get second jobs to afford one, remember?) for a system openly intended as vehicle for the nascent Blu-ray movie standard and both designed and promoted as a home entertainment hub rather than a games device. Core gamers, in the end, demurred in large numbers, preferring Microsoft's upstart Xbox 360. There's always a choice, and having usurped Sony's market dominance only a few scant years ago, you'd think that Microsoft would recall that brand loyalty - quite rightly - doesn't run all that deep.


Source

Two comments that nailed it, imo:

+ Show Spoiler +

"Frankly, I don't see the big deal. I don't think Microsoft cares if they angered the games press, because ultimately, the games press - and its consumers - are not the target audience of the One. We're not the target; our families are. They are targeting the audience that will buy a few blockbuster AAA titles - a Halo here, a Madden there - and once they're done playing with their friends, go to ESPN3 and watch American Football. In all actuality, the core games consumer - who, let's face it, is likely going to get a PS4 first - will eventually be made to heel with a few exclusives. The exclusivity of FIFA Ultimate Team for the One, as I'm sure most of this site's visitors know, is a huge, potentially system-selling deal to quite a few football fans.

Eventually, the consumer will buy a One. It's just a matter of when, and for what. Microsoft has the money to throw around for exclusives - CoD map packs, whatever EA has up their sleeves - and already I'm seeing voiciferous defenders of the frankly indefensible policy of single-use retail games. Turnaround at retail, Microsoft is betting, is a matter of time.

Frankly, the PS4 isn't their biggest threat. Smart TVs are."


+ Show Spoiler +

I think calling it an "awful" start will look a bit ill-advised in the years ahead, but it certainly didn't break the mold for console reveals.

People seem to actively forget how awful reveals and press conferences - for consoles and all forms of tech, in fact - are. They're never want they want, and now thanks to the power of Twitter, everyone seems to unite in ramping up each other's rage.

Last night's Xbox One reveal annoyed people because of its focus on TV and multifunctionality, I think, but then that's where the market is heading, and for consumers outside of the gaming 'hardcore', that's what people are looking for. PS2's early sales, for instance, were driven off the fact it was a cheap but good DVD player for many, and that's a trend that continues today. Frankly I'd be worried if Xbox One - and, indeed, PS4 - weren't fully formed media hubs. That's what consumers want and need.

PS4's reveal was equally dire and seemed utterly rushed. No machine. No groundbreaking games to speak of. Just a lot of talk about what Sony was looking to achieve.

All in all, we'll get another blast at E3 - when Twitter will, no doubt, explode once again. This is the first page in a very, very long book.


Something core gamers have never quite realized is that they are a minority. A very vocal one, but a minority nonetheless. Of all the people I know who own a console, be it PS3 or Xbox360, I am the only one who does not own Fifa 201x or another sports game. Most of them own or played every single COD since Modern Warfare 1 and will continue to buy them. Those are the people that do not frequent gaming forums or spend hours reading reviews. Those are the people who buy a game because all their friends bought it. They do not play video games because they want to be the best on a ladder, they play video games because it's a social thing for them. That's a completely differend demographic than the one you'll find on many gaming websites, and it's a large one.

Neither Sony nor Microsoft would put in all these multimedia features if there was no demand for them. Unlike what some people seem to think here, both companies actually do a lot of market research and how these machines are designed is largely a result of that. If they have statistics that indicate that a lot of people use the multimedia functions of their console, you can be sure that they will capitalise on that for their next-gen machine.
FastAce
Profile Joined August 2011
Bosnia-Herzegovina22 Posts
May 22 2013 17:10 GMT
#1312
As I heard this thing runs on x86 architecture, so one step closer to PC.
This also probably means that console games will be easier to port to PC and vice-versa. 15 exclusive games in the first year. Including Blizzard games (probably D3).

I ask myself: What if they add keyboard and mouse options to this new Xbox? This would mean that Starcraft 2 could go to consoles.
On one side this would be nice because it would help to grow the E-sport SC2 community. On the other side I like that SC2 stays only PC exlusive.
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
May 22 2013 17:15 GMT
#1313
On May 23 2013 02:10 FastAce wrote:
As I heard this thing runs on x86 architecture, so one step closer to PC.
This also probably means that console games will be easier to port to PC and vice-versa. 15 exclusive games in the first year. Including Blizzard games (probably D3).

I ask myself: What if they add keyboard and mouse options to this new Xbox? This would mean that Starcraft 2 could go to consoles.
On one side this would be nice because it would help to grow the E-sport SC2 community. On the other side I like that SC2 stays only PC exlusive.

D3 is literally the least exclusive thing you could think of. It's already on PC and will be on PS3.
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Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
May 22 2013 17:17 GMT
#1314
I don't quite understand what the uproar about very few games shown thing is. Microsoft basically told everyone weeks ago that you wouldn't see many games at this reveal, and that instead there would be a big presence at E3. They didn't exactly come out and say this explicitly, but they continually mentioned "look for us at E3" which is a somewhat more subtle way of saying exactly that.
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FastAce
Profile Joined August 2011
Bosnia-Herzegovina22 Posts
May 22 2013 17:22 GMT
#1315
On May 23 2013 02:15 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 02:10 FastAce wrote:
As I heard this thing runs on x86 architecture, so one step closer to PC.
This also probably means that console games will be easier to port to PC and vice-versa. 15 exclusive games in the first year. Including Blizzard games (probably D3).

I ask myself: What if they add keyboard and mouse options to this new Xbox? This would mean that Starcraft 2 could go to consoles.
On one side this would be nice because it would help to grow the E-sport SC2 community. On the other side I like that SC2 stays only PC exlusive.

D3 is literally the least exclusive thing you could think of. It's already on PC and will be on PS3.


Yea, i made a mistake there.
TheRabidDeer
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States3806 Posts
May 22 2013 17:28 GMT
#1316
The specs that we are aware of
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johnny123
Profile Joined February 2012
521 Posts
May 22 2013 18:19 GMT
#1317
On May 23 2013 02:28 TheRabidDeer wrote:
The specs that we are aware of
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that ps4 ram bandwidth..

If i was getting a console, i'd be no brainer for me, PS4... However i like my pc, sticking to it.
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Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
May 22 2013 18:38 GMT
#1318
Think this will be the first system I get on launch day. I don't give a rats ass about 90 percent of the new casual features... But forza, destiny, and all the new games have me HYPE. Been a long time coming.
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Ercster
Profile Joined August 2011
United States603 Posts
May 22 2013 18:42 GMT
#1319
On May 23 2013 02:10 FastAce wrote:
As I heard this thing runs on x86 architecture, so one step closer to PC.
This also probably means that console games will be easier to port to PC and vice-versa. 15 exclusive games in the first year. Including Blizzard games (probably D3).

I ask myself: What if they add keyboard and mouse options to this new Xbox? This would mean that Starcraft 2 could go to consoles.
On one side this would be nice because it would help to grow the E-sport SC2 community. On the other side I like that SC2 stays only PC exlusive.

Well there have been rumors saying that all Xbox One games will be playable on Win8 PC's.
“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.” -Neil deGrasse Tyson
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
May 22 2013 18:48 GMT
#1320
On May 23 2013 03:19 johnny123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 02:28 TheRabidDeer wrote:
The specs that we are aware of
[image loading]

that ps4 ram bandwidth..

If i was getting a console, i'd be no brainer for me, PS4... However i like my pc, sticking to it.

I agree that the PS4 is looking much better than Xbox one right now, but I don't understand why people are crazy about the RAM bandwidth thing. It makes just about no difference for the system, and it's minor advantage for the graphics.

Still wonder though if the Xbox will have dedicated GDDR or if it'll run on the system DDR3 memory, which would be a bit weird.
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