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Onlinejaguar
Australia2823 Posts
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Purpose88
Germany137 Posts
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
On May 22 2013 22:57 Purpose88 wrote: You can't "pirate" TV series that are on TV! Or are people that recorded them on VHS tapes back then all "pirates". They are streamed too in this digital age. Or is this a trololol post? | ||
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NervO
Netherlands511 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 22 2013 22:58 NightOfTheDead wrote: They are streamed too in this digital age. Or is this a trololol post? His point likely is that if I for example watch Game of Thorns online for free, I'm not pirating it because I could just as well have recorded it on TV and watched it on a video tape. | ||
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Purpose88
Germany137 Posts
On May 22 2013 22:58 NightOfTheDead wrote: They are streamed too in this digital age. Or is this a trololol post? I don't get your point. You could always record anything on TV and share it. If its on TV you cannot pirate it, because its basically free. I bet no one on this earth ever got sued for Pirating a TV-Show. LOL! Its different with Games, where you accept a EULA to not Copy/Share the Game or remove the DRM. But at the end its all about convenience. I would pay for something like Netflix if It would excist in Germany to get all tv shows for free online. Its sometimes pretty hard to find torrents for older series. Fact is: The PC is the way better Entertainment-Center and there is absolutly NO FUCKING REASON to use or even buy a Console. The point is you can play multiplayer with buddies that DON'T have high-end PCs, Kids, Kids, Kids! The times are over, for like 7years, where you need to upgrade your PC every year. Even a 5 year old PC can handle 99% of all Games no Problem, because even a 5yo PC is like 3-times as powerful as the Consoles.  | ||
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althaz
Australia1001 Posts
On May 22 2013 22:54 Onlinejaguar wrote: Anyone who has a PC bought within the past 3 years has no need for an Xbox one. I don't see an advantage in owning one. It pretty much shits on all the charm i see in console gaming. The point is you can play multiplayer with buddies that DON'T have high-end PCs, you can play split-screen games, you get what looks like a really nice media device and you get to play some console games (these are often different to PC games). I play most serious games on the PC. But I do play games like guitar hero, Fifa, Halo, Mortal Kombat, etc on the XBox/PS3. They are for different things for most people I suspect. You need a serious PC for serious games (and if you have a serious PC, the games will be way better for the most part), not everybody can afford the outlay or dedicate the space to a real PC (Laptops are worthless for gaming, IMO). Also, there's a pretty nice write-up on Anandtech about the hardware differences between the two next-gen consoles: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-one-hardware-compared-to-playstation-4 (it's mostly about the XBox One, which is still a dumb name). EDIT: On May 22 2013 23:01 Purpose88 wrote: Fact is: The PC is the way better Entertainment-Center and there is absolutly NO FUCKING REASON to use or even buy a Console. The PC is NOT suitable for the vast majority of people as the centre of their entertainment universe. It requires a keyboard (not feasible in a lounge room), a mouse (not feasible in a lounge room) and specialized software (which makes the PC act more like a console). The other issue is of cost. Please point me to the mid-range gaming PC with voice and gesture control, at least one wireless controller, a catalog of games designed for said controller and an interface designed for the lounge-room that costs less than $400? Because that's the target price for these consoles (I'm sure they'll be dearer for six months or so though). I have a powerful PC (Core i5 Ivy Bridge @ 4.4Ghz, GTX670 OCed, 16Gb RAM, 240Gb SSD plus 7TB of HDD space), but where in the lounge room should I put my three monitors? Or should my wife, kids and I all watch TV at my desk? What do I put my keyboard on? Where do I put my mousepad? A PC is a fantastic, flexible and powerful tool, but the lounge room obviously calls for a much more specialized device. | ||
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
On May 22 2013 23:01 Purpose88 wrote: I don't get your point. You could always record anything on TV and share it. If its on TV you cannot pirate it, because its basically free. I bet no one on this earth ever got sued for Pirating a TV-Show. LOL! Fact is: The PC is the way better Entertainment-Center and there is absolutly NO FUCKING REASON to use or even buy a Console. Fact is: if everything was free, there would be no TV shows you can record. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Revolution of consoles... Maybe one day we will have consoles with everything free-to-play with optional micro transactions. Got to go with the times. | ||
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BaneKingPrime
United Kingdom9 Posts
On May 22 2013 22:54 althaz wrote: Pretty self explanatory: Microsoft won't rip anybody off, because then they won't sell any consoles. They'll charge a price dictated by the market. If their console is much better, then likely it'll be dearer than the PS4. If it's a little better, it'll probably be the same price. If it's worse it'll be cheaper. So if you think it'll be dearer, you also must think it will be better? EDIT: Also, the XBox One is looking like it'll be a good chunk cheaper to produce than the PS4, for what it's worth - although you'll likely get worse graphics or framerates (probably more likely to be worse framerates than worse graphics, because of the similarities in hardware between the two). Don't think you understood my post. Basically, you have been arguing that all the extra features like the tv, sports things or whatever, kinect etc. is not taking away *anything* from the pure gaming aspect of the console. I am saying that it will, because we all pay the same price regardless of what features we actually wanted (e.g. none of that kinect/tv stuff). You are precisely right in saying that market forces will determine the price. What I am saying is, is that MS have targetted individuals who want all this TV/Kinect/multimedia stuff, and these individuals are willing to pay more for the x1 (hence they can sell at a higher price) which means people who only wanted it for gaming purposes end up paying more for less (hence why I used the term 'ripping off', in the case of this demographic) | ||
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GuyInRedShirt
Rwanda6 Posts
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On May 22 2013 22:54 Onlinejaguar wrote: Anyone who has a PC bought within the past 3 years has no need for an Xbox one. I don't see an advantage in owning one. It pretty much shits on all the charm i see in console gaming. The only real reason to own a console is for exclusives imo. Of which xbox has none that interests me personally. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 22 2013 22:58 NightOfTheDead wrote: They are streamed too in this digital age. Or is this a trololol post? I think he's just not very bright. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
https://www.youtube.com/v/KbWgUO-Rqcw&hl=en_US&fs=1& | ||
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althaz
Australia1001 Posts
On May 22 2013 23:08 Shikyo wrote: ^ Can you explain to me the difference between me recording a free TV show on my recorder or me watching the TV show online for free? Revolution of consoles... Maybe one day we will have consoles with everything free-to-play with optional micro transactions. Got to go with the times. If you record a show from free-to-air TV, it has advertising in it (admittedly you can remove the ads, but this is such a small portion of the population it's not really worth mentioning). If you record a show from HBO or similar, you've already paid for the content and should be able to do with it as you damn-well please. If you download shows you like illegally, when you could afford to watch them legally, you are directly harming them. That said, people wouldn't download so many TV shows if it wasn't like 1000x more convenient. Take Game of Thrones, which is the only show on Pay TV I would watch. I'm NOT going to pay $50+ a month to watch one TV show, that's just absurd. Not to mention it's extra for low-quality "HD", when the pirated copy is higher-quality 720p or 1080p, is available sooner and can be watched when I like. Thankfully they now sell the show on iTunes (although at $3.49 per episode, pricing is a bit out of whack, $2 seems a lot more reasonable), so I have options other than piracy. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
I understand that there's such a thing as pirating TV shows but come on. The only reason why TV is still relevant today is the same reason why people still have landlines when there are solutions which are orders of magnitude cheaper, or even free. It's the convenience of not changing anything because people are lazy and like the old ways. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 22 2013 23:08 Shikyo wrote: ^ Can you explain to me the difference between me recording a free TV show on my recorder or watching the TV show online for free? Revolution of consoles... Maybe one day we will have consoles with everything free-to-play with optional micro transactions. Got to go with the times. The difference is the person that makes the content gets to control how it's watched. If you record with a dvr, you're still getting relevant advertising and they can make a count of it being recorded. If you just download a copy online, you're not getting advertising and you don't count towards viewer numbers therefore you don't help them sell ads. If you're watching through Hulu, then you're still counted. If you download, you're not. And in the case of GoT, it's premium content you're supposed to pay for each month, it does not come on standard TV. | ||
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AeroGear
Canada652 Posts
On May 22 2013 23:01 althaz wrote: The point is you can play multiplayer with buddies that DON'T have high-end PCs, you can play split-screen games, you get what looks like a really nice media device and you get to play some console games (these are often different to PC games). I play most serious games on the PC. But I do play games like guitar hero, Fifa, Halo, Mortal Kombat, etc on the XBox/PS3. They are for different things for most people I suspect. You need a serious PC for serious games (and if you have a serious PC, the games will be way better for the most part), not everybody can afford the outlay or dedicate the space to a real PC (Laptops are worthless for gaming, IMO). Also, there's a pretty nice write-up on Anandtech about the hardware differences between the two next-gen consoles: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6972/xbox-one-hardware-compared-to-playstation-4 (it's mostly about the XBox One, which is still a dumb name). EDIT: The PC is NOT suitable for the vast majority of people as the centre of their entertainment universe. It requires a keyboard (not feasible in a lounge room), a mouse (not feasible in a lounge room) and specialized software (which makes the PC act more like a console). The other issue is of cost. Please point me to the mid-range gaming PC with voice and gesture control, at least one wireless controller, a catalog of games designed for said controller and an interface designed for the lounge-room that costs less than $400? Because that's the target price for these consoles (I'm sure they'll be dearer for six months or so though). I have a powerful PC (Core i5 Ivy Bridge @ 4.4Ghz, GTX670 OCed, 16Gb RAM, 240Gb SSD plus 7TB of HDD space), but where in the lounge room should I put my three monitors? Or should my wife, kids and I all watch TV at my desk? What do I put my keyboard on? Where do I put my mousepad? A PC is a fantastic, flexible and powerful tool, but the lounge room obviously calls for a much more specialized device. Agree/Disagree With some dedication you can run an HDMI cable from your PC to your TV set. Only need someone to come up with reliable wi-fi trackpad/controllers/headset, or you could run a similar all-in one cable from your pc to your tv etc. and you'd completly remove the need for consoles. I feel what is missing is a device that combines all these peripherals in an "user friendly/plug and play" fashion, and hopefully one that doesnt come with YET ANOTHER remote... Thing is, a lot of people dont have/want a computer and would rather have a "push to start" game console. It is ironic that consoles are behaving more and more like computers (loading time, interface, menus, etc.) but remain extremely limited at the same time. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
If you record a show from free-to-air TV Can you explain to me the difference between me recording a free TV show on my recorder or watching the TV show online for free? I don't know for you but free-to-air TV doesn't exist in my country. You pay a tax. Sure it's a tax for the year but TV, is NOT free. I pay 180€ tax for TV wich can be converted to a 15€/month almost the same as my internet connection. And i just talk about national television. You pay a tax because you own a TV. | ||
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Aldehyde
Sweden939 Posts
On May 22 2013 22:03 Shikyo wrote: Yet marketplace games work flawlessly even if they were for the past generations? Hm, interesting... Better be some amazing architecture optimization as I said. Will be fun seeing some benchmarks. Re-watching the presentation video, I actually call fraud. He puts his hand in his pocket every time he uses the "voice commands". It certainly looks a lot like he's using a remote controller to me. That's just ridiculous. I am beginning to think you actually actively try to make yourself look stupid. | ||
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