EPTLook, no solution is likely to be perfect. Everything will be over inclusive (such as retroactively awarding the pacer's G3 for those 2 flops) or underinclusive (even my solution is underinclusive). The goal should simply be to try to get equitable results. And lets be honest about your point about reality RowdierBob: If my rules were in place, players like Wade and Lebron wouldn't risk it.
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Look, no solution is likely to be perfect. Everything will be over inclusive (such as retroactively awarding the pacer's G3 for those 2 flops) or underinclusive (even my solution is underinclusive). The goal should simply be to try to get equitable results. And lets be honest about your point about reality RowdierBob: If my rules were in place, players like Wade and Lebron wouldn't risk it. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On May 28 2013 09:17 RowdierBob wrote: ' I have no problems with legitimate physicality but Laimbeer used to try and deliberately hurt people by undercutting them on jump shots etc. I hate shit like that. Wade's flopping, while something of an embarrassing blight on the game, really is pretty harmless in the grand scheme of things. The anti-flopping rules the NBA has brought in is a decent start to rectifying it as long as they keep dishing out the fines. The fines don't really matter to guys making that much money but I'd reckon the public shaming aspect to their image will eventually get them thinking twice about doing it (hopefully!). I agree 100% that there is a big difference between playing physical and playing dirty, like Laimbeer would do. However it is the refs jobs to make sure it doesn't cross that line, which is seemingly why they were created in the first place. I also agree the fines are a step in the right direction but until the big stars start getting major fines nobody will take it seriously. You could give out a fine every game to players like Wade, James and Ginobli if you were actually enforcing the rule. I think they need to be called out more by people with credibility, like Magic and others. On May 28 2013 09:33 cLutZ wrote: I think the problem with a makeup call is that is creates an illegitimate outcome twice. Instead we are trying to fix the illegitimate outcomes. Look, no solution is likely to be perfect. Everything will be over inclusive (such as retroactively awarding the pacer's G3 for those 2 flops) or underinclusive (even my solution is underinclusive). The goal should simply be to try to get equitable results. And lets be honest about your point about reality RowdierBob: If my rules were in place, players like Wade and Lebron wouldn't risk it. Yes First Take is generally garbage, but I remember seeing this interview and thinking it was interesting and gave the point of view of the ref and precautionary reffing and league edicts. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On May 28 2013 01:06 slyboogie wrote: This thread improves every year. The flop-bitching started in the first round last season. Brava, brava! Hey, as long as we don't have Ace blow up and call everyone a moron, it's a good year. But, seriously, it has been much less confrontational this year. | ||
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slowbacontron
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 28 2013 10:27 Jerubaal wrote: Hey, as long as we don't have Ace blow up and call everyone a moron, it's a good year. But, seriously, it has been much less confrontational this year. I've been relatively afk from the threads since I don't wanna rehash old stuff and don't have the time. I should stop slacking :/ | ||
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slyboogie
United States3423 Posts
On May 28 2013 08:35 On_Slaught wrote: This statement blows my mind. God forbid people point out a major problem with the league which is seemingly getting worse and more blatant each and every year. Everybody complains about something. At least this issue has merit. Not to be a huge dick about it, but it's always the same people bitching. People who've never watched basketball during the regular season drop in here to preach about the grave injustices of flopping, plus some regulars in the thread who just can not seem to abide by it - even though its been a 15 page issue in every single iteration of this thread. For some reason, it has to be brought up again because its killing the sport. I don't see how basketball in America can possibly survive this flopping epidemic. | ||
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RowdierBob
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Feels like their was a lot more fouls than usual this half. On May 28 2013 10:53 slyboogie wrote: Not to be a huge dick about it, but it's always the same people bitching. People who've never watched basketball during the regular season drop in here to preach about the grave injustices of flopping, plus some regulars in the thread who just can not seem to abide by it - even though its been a 15 page issue in every single iteration of this thread. For some reason, it has to be brought up again because its killing the sport. I don't see how basketball in America can possibly survive this flopping epidemic. Fair enough. Though people should be careful about disregarding an opinion just because of who said it without considering the merit of the statement itself. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On May 28 2013 11:17 On_Slaught wrote: I'm astonished by this showing from the Grizz. Last second 3 doesn't matter. Grizz have shown absolutely nothing to tell us they can win this game. Feels like their was a lot more fouls than usual this half. Fair enough. Though people should be careful about disregarding an opinion just because of who said it without considering the merit of the statement itself. i dont even bother with the discussion because in the end its upto the NBA to hand out suspensions, not us. And we all know how well NBA front office deals with all manners of flagrants, techs, and blown calls. (read: doesn't do jack shit about it) | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
And of course the ways of SA are inscrutable, but, sadly, it probably won't include Pop. Funny thing about this game is that the Spurs are getting to the rim easily but are shooting piss-poor otherwise. | ||
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