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DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5080 Posts
May 23 2013 04:04 GMT
#3521
Pacers choked so bad don't see how they can recover.

You can't put just one man on Lebron with 2 seconds left, you know who the ball is going to.

You can't let anyone just drive to the rim uncontested in that situation, make him make the free throws.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
zeratul_jf
Profile Joined October 2011
United States808 Posts
May 23 2013 04:04 GMT
#3522
On May 23 2013 13:02 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 12:59 Jibba wrote:
On May 23 2013 12:58 Erandorr wrote:
that was fun

Seriously. Please give us x6 more of this.


I'd love to see that but I don't think we will. Heat are already a better team and this sort of loss could be massively demoralizing. Really interested to see how they respond in G2. If they come out and get stomped (which the Pacers are very prone to doing on the road) then this could be over in 5.


I dont think pacers will give up that easily
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 04:25:37
May 23 2013 04:04 GMT
#3523
On May 23 2013 12:56 slyboogie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 12:44 Jibba wrote:
On May 23 2013 12:42 slyboogie wrote:
On May 23 2013 12:38 Doraemon wrote:
wait..bosh has 1 rebound? what?

2 now..but still T.T


He's going to be out rebounded this whole series - it's not fair to base his performance off his rebound stat, I think.

EDIT: Hibbert out?!?!

Yeah, I agree. He's basically there to occupy Hibbert or West, so other players get opportunities. That's basically the best he can do, he's not going to outrebound those two.


I think, just to emphasize your point, Jibba, that those two Lebron drives are exactly how we should measure Chris Bosh's worth. He punishes Vogel for playing Hibbert by pulling the guy way out or by giving Bosh his shot. If you didn't have a Power Forward like Bosh out there, the match up is very different.


I agree that Vogel had no choice but to not play Hibbert if he's playing the numbers. He can't bring Hibbert out on Bosh and ofc he isn't expecting George to play HORRIBLE defense and give up an uncontested layup to win the game. I think it is completely fair that he decided to not give up the easy open jump shot Bosh would get and instead try and force a contested jump shot from Lebron.

DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 23 2013 04:05 GMT
#3524
On May 23 2013 12:51 slyboogie wrote:
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On May 23 2013 12:51 DystopiaX wrote:
George really fucked up defensively there


0 protection in the lane. 0.

You still don't overplay the ball like that, if George was in front of him I doubt Lebron would have gotten a layup. He might have made it still, but not that easily.

I think Vogel is playing Bosh too close, he's what, 20% or something from 3? I'd much rather give him that shot than to take out your best shot blocker or not have rim protection.
nufcrulz
Profile Joined February 2010
Singapore934 Posts
May 23 2013 04:08 GMT
#3525
Vogel got outcoached by Spoelstra that last play.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 23 2013 04:09 GMT
#3526
--- Nuked ---
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 04:10:24
May 23 2013 04:09 GMT
#3527
That's also a good point DystopiaX. I'd almost rather have an open deep Bosh shot than a contested Lebron shot. Don't test that guy... he'll almost always come out on top.

I feel like Vogel must have told his guys to stay in front of the ball handler and not allow anything towards the basket (esp without hibbert in). George just.... meh.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
May 23 2013 04:09 GMT
#3528
another chris andersen game
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
May 23 2013 04:10 GMT
#3529
LOL Charles.

"I'd knock her head off but I'd still have lead and the ball."
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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 23 2013 04:11 GMT
#3530
On May 23 2013 13:08 nufcrulz wrote:
Vogel got outcoached by Spoelstra that last play.

No he didn't, George fucked up.
Intact
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden634 Posts
May 23 2013 04:12 GMT
#3531
Birdman just set a franchise record haha
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
May 23 2013 04:13 GMT
#3532
You tell Charles, Shaq. Haha.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-23 04:14:33
May 23 2013 04:13 GMT
#3533
On May 23 2013 13:05 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 12:51 slyboogie wrote:
On May 23 2013 12:51 DystopiaX wrote:
George really fucked up defensively there


0 protection in the lane. 0.

You still don't overplay the ball like that, if George was in front of him I doubt Lebron would have gotten a layup. He might have made it still, but not that easily.

I think Vogel is playing Bosh too close, he's what, 20% or something from 3? I'd much rather give him that shot than to take out your best shot blocker or not have rim protection.

Bosh has become a pretty good 3pt shooter, even if he wasn't great this game. Ok, pretty good is an exaggeration but he's 7-15 this playoffs.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
May 23 2013 04:15 GMT
#3534
Vogel just said next situation like that he'll likely have Hibbert in the game.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 23 2013 04:16 GMT
#3535
On May 23 2013 13:13 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 13:05 DystopiaX wrote:
On May 23 2013 12:51 slyboogie wrote:
On May 23 2013 12:51 DystopiaX wrote:
George really fucked up defensively there


0 protection in the lane. 0.

You still don't overplay the ball like that, if George was in front of him I doubt Lebron would have gotten a layup. He might have made it still, but not that easily.

I think Vogel is playing Bosh too close, he's what, 20% or something from 3? I'd much rather give him that shot than to take out your best shot blocker or not have rim protection.

Bosh has become a pretty good 3pt shooter, even if he wasn't great this game. Ok, pretty good is an exaggeration but he's 7-15 this playoffs.

There was one or two games where he was just hot though, I still wouldn't say he's that great of a 3pt shooter. He's certainly not a greater threat than Wade or James at the rim.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
May 23 2013 04:20 GMT
#3536
On May 23 2013 13:05 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 12:51 slyboogie wrote:
On May 23 2013 12:51 DystopiaX wrote:
George really fucked up defensively there


0 protection in the lane. 0.

You still don't overplay the ball like that, if George was in front of him I doubt Lebron would have gotten a layup. He might have made it still, but not that easily.

I think Vogel is playing Bosh too close, he's what, 20% or something from 3? I'd much rather give him that shot than to take out your best shot blocker or not have rim protection.


I don't care that George overplayed the left side. That happens all the time - guys will make mistakes. Obviously, you should try to correct that. But you have Roy Hibbert to defend the drive. We agree, basically, but I blame Vogel more than George.
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
May 23 2013 04:20 GMT
#3537
I think Bosh is a better outside shooter than Wade or Lebron now
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
May 23 2013 04:21 GMT
#3538
I'm no expert, but why suddenly change your defensive philosophy that was so effective all game? It wasn't the first time the Heat went with a perimeter shooting lineup. Protect the paint, and then rotate and recover, relying on your speed, athleticism and length to challenge. With only 2.2 seconds left, how many passes could the Heat have made? The Pacers would've needed to make one rotation to Bosh if Hibbert goes to the paint, and then what.. one more rotation max if Bosh passes it to someone right next to him?

Vogel blinked and let the Heat dictate the last two plays.
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seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
May 23 2013 04:24 GMT
#3539
Yup, would've 100% kept Hibbert in. There wasn't much time left for Lebron to drive and dish it out. And even if he did do that, the shooter has to let the ball go with less than a second left, not like the chances are high that it'll go down.
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
May 23 2013 04:25 GMT
#3540
On May 23 2013 13:04 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2013 12:56 slyboogie wrote:
On May 23 2013 12:44 Jibba wrote:
On May 23 2013 12:42 slyboogie wrote:
On May 23 2013 12:38 Doraemon wrote:
wait..bosh has 1 rebound? what?

2 now..but still T.T


He's going to be out rebounded this whole series - it's not fair to base his performance off his rebound stat, I think.

EDIT: Hibbert out?!?!

Yeah, I agree. He's basically there to occupy Hibbert or West, so other players get opportunities. That's basically the best he can do, he's not going to outrebound those two.


I think, just to emphasize your point, Jibba, that those two Lebron drives are exactly how we should measure Chris Bosh's worth. He punishes Vogel for playing Hibbert by pulling the guy way out or by giving Bosh his shot. If you didn't have a Power Forward like Bosh out there, the match up is very different.


I agree that Vogel had no choice but to not play Hibbert if he's playing the numbers. He can't bring Hibbert out on Bosh and ofc he isn't expecting George to play HORRIBLE defense and give up an uncontested layup to win the game.


No, we disagree actually. I'm saying you keep Hibbert in. Let Bosh stretch the floor, let him punish you for playing YOUR GAME. Fine. To some extent, the decision represents a trust in Paul George, there's not a lot of guys you strand on an island against the best player of the generation without a hope of help.

Not to ruin my own point but everyone's talking about Bosh taking threes? He can do enough by pulling Hibbert out 13 feet-20 feet. He's deadly from there if you're defending him with Roy Hibbert.
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