EPTOn May 23 2013 13:20 Itsmedudeman wrote:
I think Bosh is a better outside shooter than Wade or Lebron now
I think Bosh is a better outside shooter than Wade or Lebron now
Maybe Wade from 3, definitely not Lebron.
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
Maybe Wade from 3, definitely not Lebron. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 23 2013 13:21 XaI)CyRiC wrote: I'm no expert, but why suddenly change your defensive philosophy that was so effective all game? It wasn't the first time the Heat went with a perimeter shooting lineup. Protect the paint, and then rotate and recover, relying on your speed, athleticism and length to challenge. With only 2.2 seconds left, how many passes could the Heat have made? The Pacers would've needed to make one rotation to Bosh if Hibbert goes to the paint, and then what.. one more rotation max if Bosh passes it to someone right next to him? Vogel blinked and let the Heat dictate the last two plays. I think this is a pretty fair point. There's pros and cons to both decisions, but Hibbert is core to the Pacer's defensive philosophy. That group is what they're used to, and they're already used to its pros and cons. Hibbert is also like their quarterback on defense, the way Gasol is for Memphis. If you're going to fail, fail with what you've been successful with all year. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
great fucking game all around | ||
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zeratul_jf
United States808 Posts
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saltygrapes
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Pacers: - 20 turnovers is too many, but it's also not surprising to those who know the Pacers; they're very turnover prone against good pressure defenses. - David West was a beneficiary of a lot of long-two luck tonight (Lebron was too, somewhat). While West is a good shooter, relying on him to consistently drain 18-footers for you is not going to beat Miami like it will most teams. - George Hill's ballhandling was awful tonight. Chalmers and Cole aren't going away. If I'm a Pacers fan, this is one of my biggest concerns. - The Pacers gave up 7/7 to Birdman (more on this later) but Hansbrough gave them 10/6 on 5-8 tonight in just 12 minutes of time; I expect Hansbrough and Birdman to both get more minutes next game (taking some from Hibbert and Haslem/Battier, respectively). Heat: - 21 turnovers for Miami is a much bigger anomaly than 20 for the Pacers. I wouldn't expect this to happen again, and I think turnover differential could play as much of a role in this series as rebounding going forward. - The Heat looked pretty lackadaisical at times defensively tonight, turning it up a notch for about 8 minutes in the third. However, their ball pressure looked excellent throughout much of the game and I expect them to continue to force turnovers in this series. - Allen and Battier were abysmal offensively tonight. The Pacers should hope to keep it that way, because those two playing/shooting poorly and offensive rebounding are the two things the Pacers will have to lean on to stay in this series. Other Notes: - The Pacers successfully kept the Heat off the three-point line, but in doing so gave up 7 layups/dunks to Birdman. There were even more opportunities than that: Haslem didn't convert on three, two being jumpers where he could have cut to the basket, and one being a layup that he missed. Point is, the Pacers are staying at home on the three-point shooters, instead electing to funnel attackers straight into Hibbert and having him help off of whoever he's guarding. It's a great plan to utilize your 7'2 guy defensively, but this is why it is advantageous for Miami to play Bosh at Center and put him in the corner or use him in pick and rolls with James/Wade. Tonight, the Pacers gave up layups to Miami's Centers instead of rotating someone to Hibbert's man and giving them an open three pointer. They've chosen their poison; they can't really prevent both. - Miami had a play going in the third quarter where Bosh set a side screen for Wade with James holding the ball at the top of the key; it resulted in a Wade layup, a Bosh hook shot, and an end-of-shotclock jumper from James. This set went 2/3 and was part of Miami's big third quarter surge. This amplifies the problem of leaving Hibbert on the floor. He's big and slow so he can't help much with Wade coming around the screen, and he can't guard Bosh away from the basket. Look for Miami to use lots of sets like these over and over with Hibbert on the floor. A healthy-Wade Miami squad is a definite level above this Pacer team, but with Wade not looking to create as much offensively and slightly slowed defensively, Miami only holds general advantages in that they have James and better depth. From what I saw tonight, the Pacers will probably win 2 games in this series, but I expect all of the games to be close. I think the turnover differential will flip around and favor Miami, and I think that will be a telling subplot that counteracts the Pacers' rebounding advantage. Miami is 46-4 in their last 50 games... they just find ways to win. That being said I think the Pacers are the biggest challenge remaining to the Heat in these playoffs. Miami has both the defensive speed to contest the Spurs' three-point attack and the shooting to space the floor offensively that Memphis currently lacks, and SA doesn't have the height or physicality to punish Miami for being small; Miami will simply beat the Spurs at their own style. Memphis is similarly constructed to Indiana, but doesn't have the wing talent OR depth to do what the Pacers can offensively. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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Aerisky
United States12128 Posts
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nufcrulz
Singapore934 Posts
yes he did. everyone on the pacers was expecting a jumpshot. Spoelstra made the 3 shooters run around the half court, switching defenders and disorganizing the pacer defense clearing james for that drive to the hoop. paul george is good but not good enough to defend james 1 on 1 | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On May 23 2013 14:13 nufcrulz wrote: yes he did. everyone on the pacers was expecting a jumpshot. Spoelstra made the 3 shooters run around the half court, switching defenders and disorganizing the pacer defense clearing james for that drive to the hoop. paul george is good but not good enough to defend james 1 on 1 If you look at the replay George was on the side of Lebron, reaching for a steal. That's inexcusable in that case, he should have been in front of Lebron. There's no way Vogel told him to let lebron drive for a layup. | ||
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nufcrulz
Singapore934 Posts
On May 23 2013 14:12 Aerisky wrote: Yeah, Battier has not shown up in this year playoffs like he did last year. He's getting on in years too and it wouldn't be too unexpected if he doesn't do much of anything for the rest of the playoffs either :/ battier was awful trying to defend west. if i were spoelstra id take my chances with lebron on west and someone else guarding paul george the rest of this series | ||
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nufcrulz
Singapore934 Posts
On May 23 2013 14:14 DystopiaX wrote: If you look at the replay George was on the side of Lebron, reaching for a steal. That's inexcusable in that case, he should have been in front of Lebron. There's no way Vogel told him to let lebron drive for a layup. even so lebron had a clear path to the rim after that, on the final possession of the game, that takes some outcoaching to do... | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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nufcrulz
Singapore934 Posts
On May 23 2013 14:19 DystopiaX wrote: Sure, make sure everyone on the floor is a 3 point shooter so no one can help. Doesn't take a genius coach to do that. lol when did i say it was genius coaching, i simply said vogel was outcoached, which is true | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On May 23 2013 14:20 nufcrulz wrote: lol when did i say it was genius coaching, i simply said vogel was outcoached, which is true I still disagree. On the last play there's nothing that a coach can do in that situation. Leave a 3 pt shooter open? I don't think so. Not to mention if George didn't make that miracle 3 he'd still be taking the blame for throwing the ball away because he mistook the bench guys for a corner shooter. | ||
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nufcrulz
Singapore934 Posts
On May 23 2013 14:21 DystopiaX wrote: I still disagree. On the last play there's nothing that a coach can do in that situation. Leave a 3 pt shooter open? I don't think so. Not to mention if George didn't make that miracle 3 he'd still be taking the blame for throwing the ball away because he mistook the bench guys for a corner shooter. in any case Spoelstra maximized the chance Lebron had of finishing at the rim. overloading with shooters, and he designed the play so that the big man guarding Bosh (Hansbrough in this case) would've had to switch with whoever was guarding Allen, dragging him to the far left of the court, instead of to the right (where Bosh ended up) where he would've had the chance to contest a drive, ensuring he would be out of the picture when Lebron was penetrating. So even if Hibbert was on, i don't think he'd have been able to guard the paint effectively anyway | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On May 23 2013 14:02 zeratul_jf wrote: To be honest the heat shouldn't have been in this problem in the first place if Cole would of hold on to that ball that he stole instead of trying to go for the pass to Wade. Cole should have been ejected after his sac-tap on David West. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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Aerisky
United States12128 Posts
On May 23 2013 15:09 DystopiaX wrote: Nah man, he was making a clear play for the ball I see what you did there kekeke :D | ||
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
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