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seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
May 24 2013 04:17 GMT
#3581
On May 24 2013 12:33 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 12:05 seiferoth10 wrote:
He was overrated, but I think he's growing into it. He's improved every year, adding new tricks to his offensive arsenal, now if only he could work on that defense...

Edit: Let me pose this question, Blake Griffin or David West?

Only he hasn't, both his points and rebounds have gone down year by year and all of his other stats are virtually the same.
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3989/blake-griffin

I'm sure you knew this was coming, but if you take those stats per 36 minutes, you get points of 21.3 for '10, 20.6 for '11, and 19.9 for this season. Rebounding is 11.5, 10.8, 9.2. His ORTG has gone up each year from 111 in '10, to 113, to 114. His TS% has gone up every year from .549, to .557, to.572. It all depends on what stats you want to follow.

That's all by the by, I merely meant that he's added different offensive moves, and didn't mean anything towards his stats, though I can see where it could have gotten confused.
shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
May 24 2013 04:18 GMT
#3582
On May 24 2013 11:53 seiferoth10 wrote:
All NBA 1st team:
Lebron
Durant
CP3
Kobe
Duncan

2nd team:
Melo
Westbrook
Tony Parker
Marc Gasol
Blake Griffin

3rd team:
James Harden
D. Wade
Dwight Howard
Paul George
David Lee


Remember they still follow the 2 guards + 2 forwards + center. I thought Bosh deserved at least third team. That's all I can really point out.


37 year old duncan 1st team

we need some new centers
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
May 24 2013 04:24 GMT
#3583
On May 24 2013 13:09 MassHysteria wrote:
Ya I think Kobe did a great job carrying the team but he should not be on 1st team. I am surprised Curry didn't make it into any of these teams ><...Should have been in there over Wade this season imo but only because I don't see who elsewhat other guard I would take out.

just take out david lee

and yay duncan
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 24 2013 04:34 GMT
#3584
Centers are rare. Like I was talking about earlier. If (caution made up stats) only 1% of the population has the athleticism for the NBA, and like .01% are 6'11" or taller... you get a small pool.
Freeeeeeedom
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
May 24 2013 04:52 GMT
#3585
Just heard on ESPN Radio that Howard is adding 2 teams to his list of teams he's interested in for FA on top of the already known ones (Lakers, Rockets and Mavs):

Warriors and Hawks.

Howard to GSW is really intriguing. He wouldn't have to be "the man" there and would have Curry to take some of the load off of him.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
May 24 2013 05:01 GMT
#3586
The problem with Howard isn't that there's a lack of opportunities for him to have pressure taken off of him/not be "the man", it's that he believes he's "the man" and is somehow as offensively capable as Shaq or Yao.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
dgsdm
Profile Joined March 2012
198 Posts
May 24 2013 05:07 GMT
#3587
Is Dwight seriously thinking about leaving LA? I'm sure he's considering his options and it's the right move not to explicitly say where he's going but I think chances are he's going to stay where he is right now. I read that he bought a house in Malibu and stuff and I'm pretty sure he loves life in LA as well. He's going to leave after shooting this shit?



That would be trolling like Derrick Rose and his Adidas commercials.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
May 24 2013 05:12 GMT
#3588
On May 24 2013 13:34 cLutZ wrote:
Centers are rare. Like I was talking about earlier. If (caution made up stats) only 1% of the population has the athleticism for the NBA, and like .01% are 6'11" or taller... you get a small pool.

I think the C situation is probably the best it's been in 5+ years. I think Brook Lopez probably should've been the 3rd team guy, but you've also got Horford, Noah, Chandler (not so much this year), Vucevic, Hibbert, Sanders, Pekovic, Asik, kinda Cousins/Monroe.

Maybe not quite like having Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, Shaq, Mourning, Mutumbo, etc. but I'm pretty sure most of those current guys could've made an All-Star team over Jamaal Magloire, Memo Okur, Brad Miller and Big Z.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
May 24 2013 05:12 GMT
#3589
Well we know he doesn't like D'antoni (who does?) and thinks he wasn't used correctly in that offense. If D'antoni is really coming back there are a lot of other teams that would make more sense from a basketball sense if he doesn't want to sit through another failed year and hope things change in the future.

In the end I think he'll stay for the money and to avoid another Orlando and for the lifestyle.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13430 Posts
May 24 2013 05:22 GMT
#3590
Curry should've been a lock for at least third team honours.

Not a knock on any of the guys on that list but a lot of them are making it through on reputation with little regard to their performance versus some guys that didn't make the list.

How does Dwight make it over Lopez? Even Noah? Howard, Lee and probably even Wade just aren't deserving this year IMO.

And Kobe on the 1st team is =\ I swear the people voting on this just lazily look at raw box score data and pick whoever tops the categories or just pick their favourite guys who had a great season five years ago.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 05:26:55
May 24 2013 05:26 GMT
#3591
On May 24 2013 14:12 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 13:34 cLutZ wrote:
Centers are rare. Like I was talking about earlier. If (caution made up stats) only 1% of the population has the athleticism for the NBA, and like .01% are 6'11" or taller... you get a small pool.

I think the C situation is probably the best it's been in 5+ years. I think Brook Lopez probably should've been the 3rd team guy, but you've also got Horford, Noah, Chandler (not so much this year), Vucevic, Hibbert, Sanders, Pekovic, Asik, kinda Cousins/Monroe.

Maybe not quite like having Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, Shaq, Mourning, Mutumbo, etc. but I'm pretty sure most of those current guys could've made an All-Star team over Jamaal Magloire, Memo Okur, Brad Miller and Big Z.


I don't think our pool of centers currently is that bad (except for the lack of more than one elite offensive center). Its just that there has never been a plethora of elite centers, because of biology.
Freeeeeeedom
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13430 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 05:31:55
May 24 2013 05:28 GMT
#3592
On May 24 2013 13:52 On_Slaught wrote:
Just heard on ESPN Radio that Howard is adding 2 teams to his list of teams he's interested in for FA on top of the already known ones (Lakers, Rockets and Mavs):

Warriors and Hawks.

Howard to GSW is really intriguing. He wouldn't have to be "the man" there and would have Curry to take some of the load off of him.


GSW is quite unlikely as he would have to go there in an S&T. They don't have the cap space to outright sign him.

It could actually be an intriguing deal for the Lakers as the Dubs have a good mix of expirings and young talent that could interest the Lakers (if they were serious about pursuing LBJ in 2014).

Like would you take say Bogut, Harrison Barnes, Jefferson (or Biedrens) expiring and 2014 first rounder in a S&T for Dwight (+ filler to match salaries)?

Personally I think the Dubs should have everyone but Curry on the table in pursuit of Dwight if he really did want to go there.

But then I'd have to support the Lakers. It would be the greatest internal conflict since Savior got done for match-fixing.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 24 2013 05:30 GMT
#3593
Maybe homer bias but i think Noah should be there over Lee easy. Howard is fine IMO, I've said it a hundred times but I think the media/fanbases are starting to underrate him lately. Wade shot over 50% and if you look at the number of good shooting guards in the league these days...there really aren't any at the elite level.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13430 Posts
May 24 2013 05:33 GMT
#3594
Noah is listed as a C though so he can't be picked over Lee. You'd have to replace Howard if you wanted Noah in there.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 24 2013 05:41 GMT
#3595
The league has always had a bunch of good Centers. It's just way overblown with no real proof that the league's Centers are worse than before.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13430 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 06:01:11
May 24 2013 05:54 GMT
#3596
Meh, it's cyclical like a lot of positions. It's not the glory days where you had guys like Ewing, Hakeem, Shaq, Robinson, Mutumbo but it's not like the current crop of Cs are complete scrubs by comparison.

Think of how many great SFs there are in the league right now. Has the NBA ever had a period of better SFs? LBJ, Durant, George, Melo, Pierce, Deng, Gallo, Smith. Add Wiggins to that list in 2014/15.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
May 24 2013 06:06 GMT
#3597
Nor has it ever had as many good PGs or SGs. It's relative but people love to complain about how weak the current era is to prop up older players. The league is much better than it was 20+ years ago.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
slyboogie
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3423 Posts
May 24 2013 06:09 GMT
#3598
On May 24 2013 14:54 RowdierBob wrote:
Meh, it's cyclical like a lot of positions. It's not the glory days where you had guys like Ewing, Hakeem, Shaq, Robinson, Mutumbo but it's not like the current crop of Cs are complete scrubs by comparison.

Think of how many great SFs there are in the league right now. Has the NBA ever had a period of better SFs? LBJ, Durant, George, Melo, Pierce, Deng, Gallo, Smith. Add Wiggins to that list in 2014/15.


Who is Smith?
"We dug coal together." Boyd Crowder, Justified
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-24 06:20:39
May 24 2013 06:19 GMT
#3599
On May 24 2013 15:06 Ace wrote:
Nor has it ever had as many good PGs or SGs. It's relative but people love to complain about how weak the current era is to prop up older players. The league is much better than it was 20+ years ago.

SGs? Kobe, Wade, Harden, Ginobili, then who else? Gordon? If he ever stays healthy I guess. I think Iguodala and Joe Johnson are a tier below, not really All-Star caliber. Too early to call for Beal and Waiters. And Kobe, Ginobili and Wade are almost done. Even Harden was a PG who converted to SG for the Thunder.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 24 2013 06:38 GMT
#3600
On May 24 2013 15:19 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2013 15:06 Ace wrote:
Nor has it ever had as many good PGs or SGs. It's relative but people love to complain about how weak the current era is to prop up older players. The league is much better than it was 20+ years ago.

SGs? Kobe, Wade, Harden, Ginobili, then who else? Gordon? If he ever stays healthy I guess. I think Iguodala and Joe Johnson are a tier below, not really All-Star caliber. Too early to call for Beal and Waiters. And Kobe, Ginobili and Wade are almost done. Even Harden was a PG who converted to SG for the Thunder.


Yea, SG isn't that Deep.

Also PG is only "Deep" and "Strong" if you ignore the rule changes.
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