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On March 09 2013 08:09 Ryalnos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 09 2013 08:02 Redox wrote:
Meh AoE 2 is way to newschool anyway. I only liked AoE 1, could never get into the 2nd one. Meh SC is way to newschool anyway. I only liked WC2, could never get into this space one.
Yeah that guy I am pretty sure be trolling or he's stupid lol (or both!).
Seriously can't wait for this :D
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Playing again on voobly with friends. Lots of fun!
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On March 09 2013 03:14 fifasnipe2224 wrote:
Looks like I am getting a 4 pack with my friends. Cant wait! I was a huge fan of AoE 1 and SW:GB but I never played AoE2. Would it be closer to AoE1 or SW:GB? Are there any good/funny youtube videos of AoE2 games? (either competitive, casual, large FFA or custom games)
Galactic Battlegrounds is pretty much a mod for AoE2. Same engine, and VERY similar gameplay. One could say that Galactic Battlegrounds is just a Star Wars skin for AoE2, although a fun and well made one at that.
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How balanced was this game? How similarly did the different civilizations play to one another?
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On March 09 2013 15:43 undyinglight wrote:
How balanced was this game? How similarly did the different civilizations play to one another?
Primarily the game is balanced by Maps. Huns/Mongols are strongest on Arabia/Random, Vikings on strong on Water or useless, that kind of thing. But here is a couple sentence guide to each race.
Britons: LOLOLOL LONGBOWMEN
Byzantines: Everything is tankier than normal. Frankly, they suck. With over 8000 hours played of AoE2 played I've barely played them because it's just painful.
Celts: Gotta go fast~, infantry 15% faster and Siege weapons attack that much faster. Also a useless race imo.
Chinese: LOLOLOLOL CHUKONUS, and did I mention you start with 6 villagers? 6. Double the normal amount. And you upgrade faster than everyone else.
Franks: One of the strongest races in the midgame because their cavalry have 20% more HP and they build castles 25% faster than everyone else. Imperial Stage is your timing, you win the game here with Paladins or you suck.
Goths: Counterpick to Britons because Huskar doesn't take damage from archers.
Japanese: Super useless.
Mongols: Very strong, Villagers hunt 15% faster and Magundai are the best unit in the game hands down.
Persians: Elephants.
Saracens: Suck until you get Mamelukes, then you kill everything. (they fucking throw scimitars.)
Teutons: Two words. Teutonic Knight. Stongest infantry unit in the game, but it also costs a metric ton. Also they have castles that are 4x better than everyone else.
Turks: Feudal Rush. Or you lose. And since everyone knows you're Feudal rushing you probably lose unless your name is Chris.
Vikings: Is the map water? You win. Is the map not water? You lose.
Huns: Imagine Terran that doesn't need supply depots and Tanks are made as fast as SCVs. That's huns.
Koreans: Literally the worst race in the game. They mine stone fast.
Mayans: EAGLEEEEEE warriors are stupid, they move as fast as cavalry so they're the best harassment unit in the beginning, Mayans have very strong archers because they cost less as your progress through the game. Resources also last 20% longer which is really dope.
Aztec: ALSO EAGLEEEEEE, except your ranged units suck, instead you are the best rushing race in the game because your workers gather +5 per trip and all your military units build 15% faster.
Spanish: None of your upgrades cost gold (lawwwwl), and their monks are literally god. Probably the best late game race in the game. Oh and your villagers are the SCVs of AoE2, much stronger stats and build 1/3 faster.
It's worth noting that very few people in 1v1 choose race unless they're practicing for CL or something, random is just more fun because you guarantee every game will be different from any other you've played. Unless it's water and everyone just plays vikings or Japanese(lol).
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On March 09 2013 15:43 undyinglight wrote:
How balanced was this game? How similarly did the different civilizations play to one another?
In 1v1, Huns were the strongest race, except on island maps where Vikings were stronger.
The real strength of AoE2 was how well the team games flowed. It was not like SC where team games are a mess. So if you are going to play AoE2 I would recommend playing some 4v4 as well as 1v1. In 4v4 you want a bit of a mixture of races for the team bonuses. Typically you would have at least one Huns, and probably a Mongals with it. You could also add in one of Britons, Celts, or Teutons if you want a strong team. However, the game was balanced enough that you could just all go random in 4v4 and both teams would have a reasonable chance of winning.
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I prefer 3v3 and 2v2 but it's as hzflank says.
It's really really BM to pick huns in 1v1 pubs, I wouldn't recommend doing it you'll just get flamed.
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the game is decently well balanced, there are small imbalances that got exaggerated over the years.
But this game is highly playable as a teamgame and it also has a ton of randomly generated maps.
Some maps are more about adapting, for example there is one map where you start with a few randomly located villagers on a dark map. Or a map where you start on a tiny island and have to colonize the mainland.
Those and other maps are about adaptation, just playing huns and rushing cav doesnt work on them as it does on the arabia map, which is the standard 1v1 duel map because it eliminates most randomness.
And 4v4 are easily playable without people being eliminated after 3 minutes by a rush, so you can mirror races of you wish without having to play the same race all the time.
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Still owning a 4:3 monitor, for games like BroodWar, Lord of Destruction and AoE  so resolution thing is actually a minus for me (maybe it can be switched from 4:3 to 16 and vice versa, idk) . Not going to buy it for 2 reasons: price and I can't access steam from campus network.
What I generally think about this is big lack of ideas. Why is everyone afraid to make a new game with smooth older graphics. Too many emphasis on graphics these days...
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Wow cool, never owned aoe2, just played a few games here and there over the years. Played the shit out of Aoe1, AoM and AoE3.
Might pick this up if it boosts the MP community up a notch and start playing, i hear aoe2 was the best of the age games anyhow.
Teamgames ftw.
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On March 10 2013 00:27 DDie wrote:
$20 for fake HD? Wtf..
Way to pay attention. It's true HD, rescalled for any resolution. Just freaking watch the video.
Also improved(read: playable) netcode and Steam Workshop support(which is a boost to the community).
It's fucking AoE2. I'd pay 20 bucks five times because I got exhausted of it.
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On March 10 2013 00:36 Zephirdd wrote:Way to pay attention. It's true HD, rescalled for any resolution. Just freaking watch the video. Also improved(read: playable) netcode and Steam Workshop support(which is a boost to the community). It's fucking AoE2. I'd pay 20 bucks five times because I got exhausted of it.
Yeah, just rescalled resolution, the graphic changes are barely noticeable.
You are paying $20 for the multiplayer experience, which you can have for free on gamespy/gameranger, besides i hardly think the community will make the switch.
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On March 10 2013 00:00 Axonn wrote:Still owning a 4:3 monitor, for games like BroodWar, Lord of Destruction and AoE so resolution thing is actually a minus for me (maybe it can be switched from 4:3 to 16 and vice versa, idk) . Not going to buy it for 2 reasons: price and I can't access steam from campus network. What I generally think about this is big lack of ideas. Why is everyone afraid to make a new game with smooth older graphics. Too many emphasis on graphics these days...
Nothing wrong with a 4:3 screen, I also use one and it's perfectly fine for all the games I play.
Definitely. But at least there is Kickstarter. For now it seems that's the only place to get such games from(and China).
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On March 09 2013 08:32 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 08:09 Ryalnos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 09 2013 08:02 Redox wrote:
Meh AoE 2 is way to newschool anyway. I only liked AoE 1, could never get into the 2nd one. Meh SC is way to newschool anyway. I only liked WC2, could never get into this space one. Yeah that guy I am pretty sure be trolling or he's stupid lol (or both!). Seriously can't wait for this :D
nah I don't think he's trolling. For some reason a lot of ppl in Vietnam and China still play AoE 1.
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Man I wish they would at least try to fix the Hun imba. (Though will have to fix Mongols immediately after as second best.) BTW, I know Japan is always viewed as useless but didn't they have a dock timing build for certain maps that made them decent on them? Or am I imagining things again.
Technically Chinese is the fastest race in the game despite numerous nerfs but you now need like 800 APM for them.
I'm really outdated on this game and I don't think I advanced high enough to even be considered past rook but I recall this game being REALLY unfriendly to new players. Like your average rook can literally 1v2 on any map not called Black Forest. Your average expert will probably do the same to rooks at the same time. Starts need to be so carefully microed that even Brood War has a lower entry curve.
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On March 10 2013 01:27 Garnet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 08:32 blade55555 wrote:On March 09 2013 08:09 Ryalnos wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 09 2013 08:02 Redox wrote:
Meh AoE 2 is way to newschool anyway. I only liked AoE 1, could never get into the 2nd one. Meh SC is way to newschool anyway. I only liked WC2, could never get into this space one. Yeah that guy I am pretty sure be trolling or he's stupid lol (or both!). Seriously can't wait for this :D nah I don't think he's trolling. For some reason a lot of ppl in Vietnam and China still play AoE 1.
There is also a decent number of people in Japan playing it which is surprising considering not many play RTS games in general.
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real men play goths
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On March 10 2013 01:43 KissBlade wrote:
Man I wish they would at least try to fix the Hun imba. (Though will have to fix Mongols immediately after as second best.) BTW, I know Japan is always viewed as useless but didn't they have a dock timing build for certain maps that made them decent on them? Or am I imagining things again.
Technically Chinese is the fastest race in the game despite numerous nerfs but you now need like 800 APM for them.
I'm really outdated on this game and I don't think I advanced high enough to even be considered past rook but I recall this game being REALLY unfriendly to new players. Like your average rook can literally 1v2 on any map not called Black Forest. Your average expert will probably do the same to rooks at the same time. Starts need to be so carefully microed that even Brood War has a lower entry curve.
I personally think it's harder for newer players to get into the game, but easier to get better once you start playing. Timings are much more lax in AoE2, mechanical knowledge is more emphasized. And yeah Japan and Korea both have dock timing builds, but they're pretty silly.
Yeah I'd say it's fairly easy to 1v2 new players or 2-trick rooks. A lot of balances were fixed in the recent expansion made by the community, and tbh I think most serious players will continue playing that.
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On March 09 2013 19:48 Kaal wrote:
Koreans: Literally the worst race in the game. They mine stone fast.
Fuck yes, I can finally beat Koreans at a video game now.
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