On April 19 2013 01:11 JSH wrote: Haha yes I have been speed running Pokemon Yellow and RNG too strong
Try chain of memories I dare you
(Although 358/2 Days has been surprisingly mean lately)
Draz dont try and kill everyones hopes and dreams that nothing could be worse than pokemon RNG
But in all honesty pokemon runners have it pretty easy since the reset point is rather early and you can get alot of resets per hour if it comes to that. CoM doesnt pass its last major reset point until nearly an hour in sadly
Yeah the first reset point is for starter with good stats
Yellow has Nidoran catching business, which takes ~9 minutes but not too bad Although I went for 6 hours straight once with nothing but resets
Here's something that I've wondered about for a while... Many tricks in many games are "frame-perfect", and I see people pulling them off, but don't really understand why that should be humanly possible. The the average human has a reaction time of around 200 ms (mine is about twice that). That's much slower than the framerate of every game I can think of. If a game runs at 20-30 fps, it would seem to me that a window of 4-6 frames is the tightest many people could hope to hit. What gives? It can't be that most speedrunners happen to have reaction times an order of magnitude faster than average, so I must be missing something.
It's timing. They know the frame which they have to hit and have the needed actions timed so that they finish on the needed frame. They don't have to see the frame first to know it's going to be there, so reaction time doesn't really come into play(no pun intended).
On April 19 2013 09:26 Iranon wrote: Here's something that I've wondered about for a while... Many tricks in many games are "frame-perfect", and I see people pulling them off, but don't really understand why that should be humanly possible. The the average human has a reaction time of around 200 ms (mine is about twice that). That's much slower than the framerate of every game I can think of. If a game runs at 20-30 fps, it would seem to me that a window of 4-6 frames is the tightest many people could hope to hit. What gives? It can't be that most speedrunners happen to have reaction times an order of magnitude faster than average, so I must be missing something.
As Myles said, frame perfect doesn't mean a reaction, just a specific timing. If I know I have to press A twice exactly 4 frames apart, then it's a timing/practice thing, I don't "react" to the moment I need to press the button the second time.
Also some frame perfect tricks aren't exactly frame perfect, but have a small window of a few frames it can be performed in. Some also have set ups or ways to make it easier me pause buffering in OoT. If you're looking for something and reacting to that to perform a trick there's probably an easier way or you're still learning. Runners tend to grind out hours of practice on tricks especially tight or frame perfect ones to the point it's nearly natural or as flawless as they can get it
On April 19 2013 01:11 JSH wrote: Haha yes I have been speed running Pokemon Yellow and RNG too strong
Try chain of memories I dare you
(Although 358/2 Days has been surprisingly mean lately)
Draz dont try and kill everyones hopes and dreams that nothing could be worse than pokemon RNG
But in all honesty pokemon runners have it pretty easy since the reset point is rather early and you can get alot of resets per hour if it comes to that. CoM doesnt pass its last major reset point until nearly an hour in sadly
Not with yellow. In Yellow you have to find and catch a level 6 nidoran MALE in a reasonable amount of time or it's a reset. If your starter is bad, then you can waste time getting there in the rival fight. Once you have the nidoran, you are actually not favorable to win most of the fights. The types of the Nidoking mean that it gets wrecked by a lot of potential pokemon. In a normal pokemon game, there are only a handful of dangerous fights. Half the game has the chance to kill you in yellow including the elite four.
That being said, 358/2 is worse.
As for frame perfect and how do people do it, it's usually using some form of a reference point. Frame perfect tricks while in motion usually use background textures or textures nearby as a frame(heh) of reference.
On April 17 2013 12:20 ControlMonkey wrote: Speedrunning can be a cruel mistress. You also learn far more about a game than you ever thought you would.
Rofl this is so true. When I started running Golden Sun I never expected to learn as much as I have about the RNG within the game ;;
I've been playing Mirrors Edge, trying to figure out if there is some method to the madness of the enemy AI. There are about 3 sections in the game where I just pray to the RNG gods and run, because sometimes fighting guards can actually be slower than dying to them and trying to just run past them again. There are ways to minimise risk in the rest of the game, but not all of it.
Currently at 70 minutes. If I can get below 65, I'll be happy.
As far as my only frame perfect trick I have to worry about goes I spent a good week finding a set up based on the pattern of the floor in Alexandria screen 2.
Now I can get it reliably on the Pal version and around 80% on ntsc...sadly puck skip only saves 3 seconds and due to issues in my hand I can rarely get past disc 2 before having to stop.
On April 19 2013 01:11 JSH wrote: Haha yes I have been speed running Pokemon Yellow and RNG too strong
Try chain of memories I dare you
(Although 358/2 Days has been surprisingly mean lately)
Draz dont try and kill everyones hopes and dreams that nothing could be worse than pokemon RNG
But in all honesty pokemon runners have it pretty easy since the reset point is rather early and you can get alot of resets per hour if it comes to that. CoM doesnt pass its last major reset point until nearly an hour in sadly
Not with yellow. In Yellow you have to find and catch a level 6 nidoran MALE in a reasonable amount of time or it's a reset. If your starter is bad, then you can waste time getting there in the rival fight. Once you have the nidoran, you are actually not favorable to win most of the fights. The types of the Nidoking mean that it gets wrecked by a lot of potential pokemon. In a normal pokemon game, there are only a handful of dangerous fights. Half the game has the chance to kill you in yellow including the elite four.
That being said, 358/2 is worse.
As for frame perfect and how do people do it, it's usually using some form of a reference point. Frame perfect tricks while in motion usually use background textures or textures nearby as a frame(heh) of reference.
So much stuff in Yellow that can kill you Elite Four is a nightmare
Although I think final Red fight in Gold is more brutal Hoping for that Ice punch freeze on Venusaur is a pretty long shot lol
On March 31 2013 14:14 Varanice wrote: I've just started speedrunning and I figured I needed something to do in my freetime on the school computers anyway. Here it is if anyone wants to join me. https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/raze_flash_game.html
Does anyone wanna try this out/race against me? I'm getting kinda demotivated to continue. :/
On March 31 2013 14:14 Varanice wrote: I've just started speedrunning and I figured I needed something to do in my freetime on the school computers anyway. Here it is if anyone wants to join me. https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/raze_flash_game.html
Does anyone wanna try this out/race against me? I'm getting kinda demotivated to continue. :/
The Game crashes my Browser but you can play the flash game i posted on Page 59/60 against me :D
I needed a break from Nimbus so I picked up Out There Somewhere. It's part of the current Indie Royale bundle which is where I got it. Coincidentally there was a run on TSSB last Sunday by SirFist, but I knew it was tremendously improvable so I went ahead and shaved off two whole minutes:
Still has some obvious mistakes, maybe a few rooms could be improved too.
I've taken a huge interest in watching Resident Evil/Final Fantasy speedruns. I don't know why but I love watching people battle it out and find new timesavers.
On April 23 2013 19:21 Nekovivie wrote: I've taken a huge interest in watching Resident Evil/Final Fantasy speedruns. I don't know why but I love watching people battle it out and find new timesavers.
EPT
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