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Muecke
Profile Joined July 2013
Germany150 Posts
July 10 2013 10:32 GMT
#1581
Took long enough for this game to go F2P.
Enox
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1667 Posts
July 10 2013 10:42 GMT
#1582
dont be silly. they still have millions of active subs, more than all other MMOs combined. WoW wont be f2p in the foreseeable future
If you think it's too hard there are solutions other than asking for a nerf, getting better is the first that comes to mind.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 10 2013 11:28 GMT
#1583
I like this IN A WAY, what they are doing.
I dont mind them making pets and some mounts buyable, even some BoE gear. The BoE gear is normally only worth it for a bout 2 weeks into a new patch and then by then it is farmable anyway so its only going to be for those gamers who want to have the best ilevel from day 1 lol. Also with this new transmog stuff they bought out, it could make them money if they start offering nice transmog sets for money. I don't mind the way this might go.

1 thing is, i hope they dont start offering achievement mounts for money or things which take more than just farming to get for money. Or it starts taking things away from the game/achievement
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LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 12:31:21
July 10 2013 12:29 GMT
#1584
On July 10 2013 19:10 Enox wrote:
so, apparently Blizz wants to introduce micro transactions to WoW and ppl in the official forums are going crazy.

Show nested quote +
Echoing a what Bashiok said earlier, thanks for all the feedback so far everyone. We’re still pretty early in the exploration process, but we did want to go into more detail about our rationale for introducing an in-game store, as well as provide some insight into what you might ultimately see available there.

For players who are already interested in the in-game items we offer, such as Pet Store pets and mounts, the benefits of an in-game store are pretty clear. We think everyone would appreciate the convenience of being able to make such purchases without having to leave the game, and ultimately that’s our long-term goal for the system, though there’s quite a bit of work involved in retrofitting those existing items into the new system.

First, we’ll be testing the in-game store with some new kinds of items we’re looking into introducing (in Asian regions, at the outset) based on player feedback: specifically, an experience buff to assist with the leveling process, as well as an alternate way to acquire Lesser Charms of Good Fortune. We’ve had a lot of requests from players in different regions for convenience-oriented items such as these, and as with other new ideas we’ve introduced as WoW has evolved—including Pet Store pets, mounts, and more—your feedback plays a hugely important part in determining what we add to the game.

Ultimately it’s still too early in the process to make any final determinations about our plans, but in the meantime, we hope you’ll check out the in-game store once it’s implemented on the PTR and let us know what you think​.


I dont really understand the big problem. Basically, they will be selling items, which would take like 30-60 minutes per week (!!) to farm yourself. You get a weekly quest for those items which grants you 3 extra rolls on boss loot per week.

So ppl who buy those items safe around 1 hour per week of doing daily quests and they arent even guaranteed to get an item from one of the extra rolls. In the worst case, they pay money for nothing. I really dont understand all the rage

Source: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7763486854?page=4#61



thats how it started in EQ2 and they just gradually added more important items every month until it was almost pay to win.

you think they are adding an ingame store just to sell a a few items you can buy on the webpage anyways plus charms and xp potions? They have different plans clearly.
Enox
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1667 Posts
July 10 2013 12:51 GMT
#1585
maybe, but why all the drama beforehand? so far its just cosmetic stuff and now something that saves you a bit of time. as soon as they start selling real "game progress", i can understand ppl being upset. but i still have my doubts that will ever happen
If you think it's too hard there are solutions other than asking for a nerf, getting better is the first that comes to mind.
Muecke
Profile Joined July 2013
Germany150 Posts
July 10 2013 13:30 GMT
#1586
On July 10 2013 19:42 Enox wrote:
dont be silly. they still have millions of active subs, more than all other MMOs combined. WoW wont be f2p in the foreseeable future


No they don't! Most of the 6-7 Mio active players are from asia where no 15$/month sub model excists.
Enox
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1667 Posts
July 10 2013 13:33 GMT
#1587
you are wrong. most of the lost subs of the last quater are from asia. WoW in the west (EU & US) is still strong and that wont change so dramatically, that that would have to go f2p
If you think it's too hard there are solutions other than asking for a nerf, getting better is the first that comes to mind.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 10 2013 13:37 GMT
#1588
Indeed, go read/listen to the Blizz quarterly calls. They have 8million active subscribers at the last quarter which was April, since then alone i know of about 10 people who have re subscribed on my friends list. I reckon they are probably closer to 9 than 8million now personally.

They will not make WoW F2P for a while, not atleast in the next 2 years anyway. Maybe when TITAN is out will they think about making WoW F2P
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Enox
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1667 Posts
July 10 2013 14:08 GMT
#1589
yea, according to EA, SW:TOR needed 500k subs for the subscription model to be profitable. lets assume WoW needs twice or even triple of that, since its a lot bigger. even if all of asia would stop playing, WoW still had way more than 1.5 mill subs. it will be a long time before they go f2p
If you think it's too hard there are solutions other than asking for a nerf, getting better is the first that comes to mind.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 10 2013 14:11 GMT
#1590
Wow just 500k....and they didn't even manage that. Crazy "/
I played it from the start SW:TOR thought it would be awesome, jesus christ it was boring as hell lol. I didn't mind the PvP but leveling was so boring to me
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nimbim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany985 Posts
July 10 2013 14:30 GMT
#1591
On July 10 2013 19:10 Enox wrote:

I dont really understand the big problem. Basically, they will be selling items, which would take like 30-60 minutes per week (!!) to farm yourself. You get a weekly quest for those items which grants you 3 extra rolls on boss loot per week.

So ppl who buy those items safe around 1 hour per week of doing daily quests and they arent even guaranteed to get an item from one of the extra rolls. In the worst case, they pay money for nothing. I really dont understand all the rage


Please tell me how to get 50 lesser charms in 30minutes. Farming rare mobs took me more than an hour (probably 2), plus travel time etc.

I raid twice a week and outside of that I don't really play wow, so I got the greater charms maybe every 3rd or 2nd week. I thought that was okay, since I didn't play all that time, but if you can really buy +xp (=forcing you to buy it or go fucking crazy when trying to level an alt) and lesser charms I will definitely unsubscribe.
Enox
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1667 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 14:53:18
July 10 2013 14:52 GMT
#1592
well, i need 30 min to get the charms by soloing all rares and doing all dailies on the island once. ofc soloing rares depends on the gear so if you arent able to do that, you have to count 2x 30min to finish all dailies on the isle of thunder twice, which is even 60 charms + random drops. if you need more than 30min for all dailies, you are severely undergeared
If you think it's too hard there are solutions other than asking for a nerf, getting better is the first that comes to mind.
nimbim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany985 Posts
July 10 2013 15:05 GMT
#1593
Did you include all the minutes you run around because all the rares have already been killed? The daily quests give around 15charms, I think and if you complete 1 quest per minute (pretty bold assumption considering travel distances) you have 15minutes left to kill 6-12 rares depending on luck. Do you REALLY do that in 30minutes?
Enox
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1667 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 16:12:10
July 10 2013 16:10 GMT
#1594
all dailies give exactly 30 charms. it tells you when you decide between pve or pvp dailies. most of the rares are in close distance to the dailies quests. ok, im on a medium pop server, so i guess its a bit harder on a high or full pop server. still you shouldnt need more than 2 hours per week to get the 50 charms. regardless on which server you are.
if you consider that 70-80% of all WoW players are dps and most of them still do all of ToT in LFR, where the queue time for each of the 4 wings is at least 30min, you have more than enough spare time per week to get those 50 charms. only tanks and healers should even consider to use this micro transaction
If you think it's too hard there are solutions other than asking for a nerf, getting better is the first that comes to mind.
Pseudoku
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1279 Posts
July 10 2013 16:19 GMT
#1595
I have more lesser charms than I can spend.. It'd only be a problem if it was selling the mogu runes of fate.
Logic fails because we are lazy.
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 12:38:48
July 15 2013 11:21 GMT
#1596
Following on from my posts here and here, I asked what is the limit of cosmetic microtransactions.

Here I'll put that question in poll form. Note that all the microtransactions listed below are arguably purely cosmetic.

Given that WoW has a $15 subscription fee would it be acceptable or unacceptable for the following cosmetic microtransactions to be added:
Poll: Pets?

Acceptable (46)
 
73%

Unacceptable (17)
 
27%

63 total votes

Your vote: Pets?

(Vote): Acceptable
(Vote): Unacceptable


Poll: Mounts?

Acceptable (40)
 
68%

Unacceptable (19)
 
32%

59 total votes

Your vote: Mounts?

(Vote): Acceptable
(Vote): Unacceptable


Poll: Transmog gear?

Acceptable (33)
 
56%

Unacceptable (26)
 
44%

59 total votes

Your vote: Transmog gear?

(Vote): Acceptable
(Vote): Unacceptable


Poll: Transmog gear with higher quality art and effects than usual?

Unacceptable (42)
 
70%

Acceptable (18)
 
30%

60 total votes

Your vote: Transmog gear with higher quality art and effects than usual?

(Vote): Acceptable
(Vote): Unacceptable


Poll: Flashier or higher quality spell animations and effects?

Unacceptable (49)
 
83%

Acceptable (10)
 
17%

59 total votes

Your vote: Flashier or higher quality spell animations and effects?

(Vote): Acceptable
(Vote): Unacceptable


Poll: Dance studios?

Unacceptable (37)
 
65%

Acceptable (20)
 
35%

57 total votes

Your vote: Dance studios?

(Vote): Acceptable
(Vote): Unacceptable


Poll: Updated and higher quality character models?

Unacceptable (51)
 
88%

Acceptable (7)
 
12%

58 total votes

Your vote: Updated and higher quality character models?

(Vote): Acceptable
(Vote): Unacceptable


Poll: Extra character customization options (e.g. hair, face, etc.)?

Unacceptable (23)
 
62%

Acceptable (14)
 
38%

37 total votes

Your vote: Extra character customization options (e.g. hair, face, etc.)?

(Vote): Acceptable
(Vote): Unacceptable


Poll: Any achievements (e.g Hand of A'dal, heroic boss kills, etc)*?

Unacceptable (60)
 
95%

Acceptable (3)
 
5%

63 total votes

Your vote: Any achievements (e.g Hand of A'dal, heroic boss kills, etc)*?

(Vote): Acceptable
(Vote): Unacceptable


*This is any achievement, e.g. you can buy Hand of A'dal, despite the fact it's no longer available, you can also buy achievements saying you've cleared the latest raid tier on Heroic even if you haven't.
Poll: Existing cosmetic raid items (e.g. Lightbringer's Tabard)?

Unacceptable (48)
 
87%

Acceptable (7)
 
13%

55 total votes

Your vote: Existing cosmetic raid items (e.g. Lightbringer's Tabard)?

(Vote): Acceptable
(Vote): Unacceptable


Poll: Cosmetic zones (e.g. like Darkmoon Island)?

Unacceptable (50)
 
94%

Acceptable (3)
 
6%

53 total votes

Your vote: Cosmetic zones (e.g. like Darkmoon Island)?

(Vote): Acceptable
(Vote): Unacceptable


Poll: Player housing?

Unacceptable (47)
 
84%

Acceptable (9)
 
16%

56 total votes

Your vote: Player housing?

(Vote): Acceptable
(Vote): Unacceptable


Poll: Max level characters with no gear?

Unacceptable (44)
 
80%

Acceptable (11)
 
20%

55 total votes

Your vote: Max level characters with no gear?

(Vote): Acceptable
(Vote): Unacceptable


Poll: Capital city of an expansion (quest givers are outside)*?

Unacceptable (49)
 
94%

Acceptable (3)
 
6%

52 total votes

Your vote: Capital city of an expansion (quest givers are outside)*?

(Vote): Acceptable
(Vote): Unacceptable


*This is the capital city of a continent in an expansion. It's a cosmetic microtransaction because the quest givers are outside, and because you can continue to use SW or Org for mail, AH, trade chat, repairs, etc.
Poll: Battleground maps of existing formats (e.g like Twin Peaks)*?

Unacceptable (49)
 
96%

Acceptable (2)
 
4%

51 total votes

Your vote: Battleground maps of existing formats (e.g like Twin Peaks)*?

(Vote): Acceptable
(Vote): Unacceptable


*This is a cosmetic microtransaction, because it would only be offered for BGs where the format already exists. E.g. WSG is CTF, so a new CTF BG, like Twin Peaks, can be added as a cosmetic version of WSG.
Poll: Full cosmetic raid dungeon (bosses drop only cosmetic stuff)?

Unacceptable (37)
 
93%

Acceptable (3)
 
8%

40 total votes

Your vote: Full cosmetic raid dungeon (bosses drop only cosmetic stuff)?

(Vote): Acceptable
(Vote): Unacceptable



Thanks for participating.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 12:10:42
July 15 2013 11:27 GMT
#1597
Well theres my votes
Pretty much think the top 4 statements will be implemented, then from there onwards it will be interesting what else they add in, but i don't want them to start adding in things to divide the community in terms of, buy this and u will be here in this Pay2Win only zone. Also i don't want them to start letting Pay2Win on achivements/special gear, raid tabard for example or raid gear/awards. Even raid mounts i don't want them to implement into this system, or it just pisses off people who are hardcore in PvE. Transmog stuff will be cool to implement and i hope they do, i could do with some and i cba farming old content ;_;

Lol already swung from my votes xD Guess not so many people like this idea :S
People should think about this though, the more people who purchase micro transcations, more chance of Blizz lowering the monthly fee, or even scrapping it. Especially when TITAN is out

Oh also, on the character design thing. They are implemented improved physics on Characters to make them have fingers and toes and better facial expressions by the time of the next expansion
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
[]Phase[]
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium927 Posts
July 15 2013 12:02 GMT
#1598
I dont blame blizzard for getting the most out of WoW. It has been on the decline, but still has a pretty good playerbase means if they are going to make a move, they gotta make it now. I feel like eventually they are going to have to innovate with a new big game anyways. You cant just overhaul WoW completely and expect to attract your old playerbase and more. You need a completely new game for that. I am curious what their answer will be.
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
July 15 2013 12:13 GMT
#1599
On July 10 2013 23:52 Enox wrote:
well, i need 30 min to get the charms by soloing all rares and doing all dailies on the island once. ofc soloing rares depends on the gear so if you arent able to do that, you have to count 2x 30min to finish all dailies on the isle of thunder twice, which is even 60 charms + random drops. if you need more than 30min for all dailies, you are severely undergeared

i find it easier and faster doing the golden lotus dailies, if its really just for the charms, especially since you can fly there.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 15 2013 12:15 GMT
#1600
On July 15 2013 21:13 Warri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 23:52 Enox wrote:
well, i need 30 min to get the charms by soloing all rares and doing all dailies on the island once. ofc soloing rares depends on the gear so if you arent able to do that, you have to count 2x 30min to finish all dailies on the isle of thunder twice, which is even 60 charms + random drops. if you need more than 30min for all dailies, you are severely undergeared

i find it easier and faster doing the golden lotus dailies, if its really just for the charms, especially since you can fly there.


The Tilliers (Farm people) are really quick too. Fly West kill a few mobs, plant few seeds and your done. It takes me 30minutes on a 471ilevel PvP Disc Priest so im sure would take others less
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