EPTThis is about breaking down stupid opinions from fan boys. and its always the same guys too.. sigh. barcelona play many of their games w 3 defends, what does that mean? that means that they actually have more attackers. name another team from your precious english teams that play like that. all have 4 defenders in their backline if i recall. and someone else said if the other team presses against them they get defensive? no other team other than a few even dare to press against barcelona because they will get picked apart really badly so actually, the exact opposite is true. if someone presses against barcelona than they actually become more offensive. im not saying pundits are the best, my point is, is that many greats, ex coaches, ex players /current players have agreed that barcelona play on a level way above everyone, even now after they lost the champions and la liga. everyone can have their opinion but it becomes infinitely annoying to hear rubbish that is so obviously based upon jealousy or something i cant even pinpoint, rather than reason and basic logic. so you're absolutely wrong if you say they're not attacking style football. i think you're confusing what they do, when its really more about being patient and disciplined and not choosing to lose the ball with bad passes for no reason... aka mainting possession. i dont have to say it for anyone who knows ANYTHING about football, but barcelona are easy the most attack oriented team by far.. i feel amazed that i have to argue this with people who are so deluded , they're actually convinced it's non attacking when all that barcelona does literally is find pockets to move the ball forward. not to mention they have an such a high goal scoring tally.. yet, you guys jump up and down when they pass the ball backwards when they dont want to lose the ball for no reasonsOMG BORING/SO PASSIVE OMG WHY DONT THEY LOSE THE BALL INSTEAD OMGG maybe they should start just lobbing the ball forward and play sloppy undisciplined football, than maybe you guys will accept them
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AngryLlama
United States1227 Posts
This is about breaking down stupid opinions from fan boys. and its always the same guys too.. sigh. barcelona play many of their games w 3 defends, what does that mean? that means that they actually have more attackers. name another team from your precious english teams that play like that. all have 4 defenders in their backline if i recall. and someone else said if the other team presses against them they get defensive? no other team other than a few even dare to press against barcelona because they will get picked apart really badly so actually, the exact opposite is true. if someone presses against barcelona than they actually become more offensive. im not saying pundits are the best, my point is, is that many greats, ex coaches, ex players /current players have agreed that barcelona play on a level way above everyone, even now after they lost the champions and la liga. everyone can have their opinion but it becomes infinitely annoying to hear rubbish that is so obviously based upon jealousy or something i cant even pinpoint, rather than reason and basic logic. so you're absolutely wrong if you say they're not attacking style football. i think you're confusing what they do, when its really more about being patient and disciplined and not choosing to lose the ball with bad passes for no reason... aka mainting possession. i dont have to say it for anyone who knows ANYTHING about football, but barcelona are easy the most attack oriented team by far.. i feel amazed that i have to argue this with people who are so deluded , they're actually convinced it's non attacking when all that barcelona does literally is find pockets to move the ball forward. not to mention they have an such a high goal scoring tally.. yet, you guys jump up and down when they pass the ball backwards when they dont want to lose the ball for no reasonsOMG BORING/SO PASSIVE OMG WHY DONT THEY LOSE THE BALL INSTEAD OMGG maybe they should start just lobbing the ball forward and play sloppy undisciplined football, than maybe you guys will accept them | ||
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Valenius
United Kingdom1266 Posts
On June 01 2012 05:02 AngryLlama wrote: all have 4 defenders in their backline if i recall. Wigan played 3 at the back. Checkmate.  Although I do agree with you, to an extent. | ||
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AngryLlama
United States1227 Posts
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
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Enchanted
United States1609 Posts
On June 01 2012 05:38 AngryLlama wrote: really? wow sick. barcelona struggled with inconsistency this season which is why rm won. (they got beat at home from a decisive RM side, not taking anything away from them, RM deserved everything theyve accomplished this season)... i wont even talk about chelsea parking the bus, playing anti football.. but that's what you have to do to win so i dont blame them in the end, its just nothing to be respected in my eyes. they got super lucky and won, end of story. people seem to be taking to heart that barcelona have shown that they are human and now are saying "haha well i guess they arent the best after all, i knew it! boring football for the loss!" sigh, anyway im looking foward to a number of other teams though as well, but barcelona seem to be in an interesting bind given their very surprising champions exit and the departure of their beloved philosopher.. interesting to see how theyll turn out next season. more of the same i believe, they're still the team to beat This is why you are an elitist. Both your previous posts have done nothing but proven it. Relax friend. | ||
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
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Sanctimonius
United Kingdom861 Posts
On June 01 2012 02:44 Pandemona wrote: You think Parker and Gerrard be a force anyway? Lol Parker most average footballer i have ever seen anywhere. He can tackle and run around for 90 minutes all he does. Doesn't score doesn't make amazing through balls or killer passes, does nothing. Huge blow  Lampard Out Of EURO 2012 Really? He's a solid defensive midfielder. I don't want someone who ranges forward every chance he gets because it exposes the defence (Song....). With Cole ranging forward and Johnson not being able to defend worth a damn we need a reliable and above all disciplined DM who can sit in the pocket and break up play and give it back to the players who will press forward. With Parker on the pitch Gerrard can push forward in that role he loves for Liverpool and never gets for England. Now if you'd said Milner was a player who runs about the whole game and does nothing, I'd have to agree with you. | ||
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Mvrio
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Slightly
United States80 Posts
The gif was a fun thing I had sitting in my photobucket that was relevant to my point that some teams refuse to attack Barca because they can just outpass them in the defence.. this isn't saying they do it all the time, nor that they would have to. I just felt like posting it. They have an amazing team, they play very attractive football, I don't understand why there is such a strong reaction against calling Barcelona non-aggressive. I still love the way they play. | ||
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
Also lol anti-football. Gets me every time, right in the funny bone. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 01 2012 14:34 Stimp wrote: So if you don't play only 3 defenders you aren't playing attractive football? Also lol anti-football. Gets me every time, right in the funny bone. dont like the use of that term, but I think its a pretty accurate way to put it if your going to go by the purist sort of view. Any method thats prioritizing "not losing" over actively trying to "win" is pretty anti-*insert sport*. Atleast thats what antifootball is to me. That having been said if it is without a shadow of a doubt your only option then thats just how you play football so it gets a bit murky which is why I dont like it when people use it because it starts being used for things that really arent anti football at all. | ||
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
On June 01 2012 14:41 Rebs wrote: dont like the use of that term, but I think its a pretty accurate way to put it if your going to go by the purist sort of view. Any method thats prioritizing "not losing" over actively trying to "win" is pretty anti-*insert sport*. Atleast thats what antifootball is to me. That having been said if it is without a shadow of a doubt your only option then thats just how you play football so it gets a bit murky which is why I dont like it when people use it because it starts being used for things that really arent anti football at all. I'd prefer 'negative-tactics' or plain old 'defensive tactics' because anti-football is just a slap in the face to good defending everywhere. Its a tactic and if a weaker team can pull it off to beat a stronger team its quite a good tactic too. Just because its not pretty doesn't make it wrong. But ya, next time barcelona gets knocked out wait for the term to come right back. Turns out you get more credit losing to barcelona with reckless tactics than beating them with superior ones. Bilbao may have lost the final 3-0, going 3 down in the first 20 mins in the cup final but they play pretty passing football a lot, wonderful. | ||
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Neelia
Germany599 Posts
On June 01 2012 13:02 Mvrio wrote: hulk confirmed for Chelsea Source? | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On June 01 2012 12:57 Sanctimonius wrote: Really? He's a solid defensive midfielder. I don't want someone who ranges forward every chance he gets because it exposes the defence (Song....). With Cole ranging forward and Johnson not being able to defend worth a damn we need a reliable and above all disciplined DM who can sit in the pocket and break up play and give it back to the players who will press forward. With Parker on the pitch Gerrard can push forward in that role he loves for Liverpool and never gets for England. Now if you'd said Milner was a player who runs about the whole game and does nothing, I'd have to agree with you. Ok so you classify Parker as a Defensive midfielder? Yet he cannot pass the ball anything further than 10yards, maybe not important being a defensive midfielder, but i think it is. He is not very good at reading the play, he is 30 and lacks top level experience, you could say he has had 1season being involved in international football, with he didn't play any big nations really. He has also never played in the Champions league to my knowledge unless he did when he was at Chelsea with us, but he was being moulded into a different player then. He is way out of his depth as an International midfielder let alone a high quality one for a top 4 club, but that is a different story. Don't get me wrong i accept i am biast in my responses, but please tell me someone from one of the clubs you would level Spurs with or England midfield with across the world and tell me he is better than that person? He is not, that is the problem i have. Yes Gerrard is "free'd" up but he doesn't need to be no more, he is too old. Same with Frank anyway now, both of them hardly race box to box getting forward no more as they can't. Kenny played Gerrard in the holding midfield role all season, and under Di Matteo Frank played in the same position, thus i can't see Parker and Gerrard looking very good this tournament. Unless he plays 4-2-3-1 which could work for England, but the LW would have to be fucking Downing! and well lets not get started on that waste of space. Gerrard playing DM you get - Experience in top top level games (world cup knock out games/Euro knock out games/Champs league finals) you get a guy who can ping a ball 40 yards to feet, someone who can read the play, make those important tackles and chase back in the vital times. Parker playing DM you get - Guy who runs for 90 minutes (but if you read reports he is still struggling with his injury and has lost a yard of pace) and can make some tackles. Pass the ball 10 yards to someone else to then "start up the play". | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6284 Posts
On June 01 2012 13:37 Slightly wrote: I wasn't attacking Barcelona or their playstyle, I was just pointing out that I didn't believe their playstyle was inherently an aggressive one. It is an attacking playstyle, but not an aggressive one. They like to sit back and pick their passes, not opposed to playing back and forth across the field for 40 or 50 passes before attempting a shot on goal. This isn't aggressive as a style of play, however they sometimes play aggressively as any team must. Like in the Final against Chelsea in those last minutes, when they started trying to rip shots from outside the box in any hope that they could get something. The gif was a fun thing I had sitting in my photobucket that was relevant to my point that some teams refuse to attack Barca because they can just outpass them in the defence.. this isn't saying they do it all the time, nor that they would have to. I just felt like posting it. They have an amazing team, they play very attractive football, I don't understand why there is such a strong reaction against calling Barcelona non-aggressive. I still love the way they play. You know pressing other teams backward by your own play and trying to create space how Barca does it with their playing game actually is pretty aggressive. They're always on the opponents half of the field always trying to press them back and creating space it's just not aggresion in the traditional sense but like everything with Barca in a different and unique way. | ||
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hns
Germany609 Posts
Pandemona: Saw Schürrle yesterday? | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On June 01 2012 17:16 hns wrote: Didn't we have that crap about Barcelona playing aggressive or attacking or whatnot like 100 pages ago...? Pandemona: Saw Schürrle yesterday? No i didn't think Germany would be playing again so soon >.< will catch some highlights when i get home from work though. Saw some people said he played well  I LIKE THIS! sign him up Roman. | ||
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bObaZ
Portugal864 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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bObaZ
Portugal864 Posts
Sporting sold João Pereira for 3,7M€ to Valencia. Valencia got a really really great deal! Benfica bought Ola John from Twente for 9M€, and will probably sell Cardozo to Fenerbache for 15M€. And that's about all on the Portuguese transfer window pretty interesting stuff! | ||
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