EPT2011-2012 football (soccer) thread - Page 469
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GTR
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AngryLlama
United States1227 Posts
On May 31 2012 23:50 Sated wrote: Which is ironic because Barcelona don't play attractive, attacking football. They play passive, boring (but incredibly effective) football. about a million pundits, coaches, top players, and basically anyone who knows anything about football disagree with you. | ||
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Sanctimonius
United Kingdom861 Posts
On June 01 2012 00:57 AngryLlama wrote: about a million pundits, coaches, top players, and basically anyone who knows anything about football disagree with you. Really? I know a lot of people that find Barca boring, me included. Admittedly they at least have Messi, which is where Spain struggle. Both teams excel at controlling and holding the ball and can move the ball around the pitch with ease. What they struggle with is penetration and are often frustrated as they wait for an opening, so they camp out just inside of the halfway point and keep passing. Without Messi to drive them forward Spain kinda get stuck in this part, whereas Barca can use him to push the ball forward. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6322 Posts
On June 01 2012 01:35 Sanctimonius wrote: Really? I know a lot of people that find Barca boring, me included. Admittedly they at least have Messi, which is where Spain struggle. Both teams excel at controlling and holding the ball and can move the ball around the pitch with ease. What they struggle with is penetration and are often frustrated as they wait for an opening, so they camp out just inside of the halfway point and keep passing. Without Messi to drive them forward Spain kinda get stuck in this part, whereas Barca can use him to push the ball forward. You may find it boring but if you think it's passive you just don't get the way Barca plays. | ||
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Enchanted
United States1609 Posts
On June 01 2012 00:57 AngryLlama wrote: about a million pundits, coaches, top players, and basically anyone who knows anything about football disagree with you. Is being an elitist a requirement to be a Barca fan ? I'm starting to see a pattern. | ||
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Slightly
United States80 Posts
I would define aggressiveness by the amount of snatched opportunities. How many shots from outside the box, how many passes before the shot, was the build up fast, how many people behind the ball, etc.. Barca isn't an aggressive team, they're a team that forces the opponent to play defensively in a completely different way and they patiently poke and prod at the defence. If they score, hurray, if not, then it was the necessary sacrifice to play their own brand of football. They have the world class talent to pull off this possession game. http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j155/HooterHoot/lolronaldo.gif | ||
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sharkie
Austria18761 Posts
I mean who wants to watch a game full of defenders and gk passing each other? | ||
Jonvvv
Norway1530 Posts
ouch first Barry, now Lampard | ||
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sharkie
Austria18761 Posts
Considering now both Gerrard and Lampard won't be on the pitch together. | ||
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Enchanted
United States1609 Posts
On June 01 2012 02:15 Slightly wrote: I think people forget how often Barca passes around their back 4. Teams are forced into their own half or they have to waste energy chasing the ball from the back 4 to the goalkeeper. That's why they choose to defend and play on the counter, and if you're allowing Barca into your half and soaking up their pressure, the stats are going to make it seem like they are aggressive and attacking. I would define aggressiveness by the amount of snatched opportunities. How many shots from outside the box, how many passes before the shot, was the build up fast, how many people behind the ball, etc.. Barca isn't an aggressive team, they're a team that forces the opponent to play defensively in a completely different way and they patiently poke and prod at the defence. If they score, hurray, if not, then it was the necessary sacrifice to play their own brand of football. They have the world class talent to pull off this possession game. http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j155/HooterHoot/lolronaldo.gif The problem with their back 4 is that they're all great players who can pass well and attack but kind of suck on defense. I think the only defender on Barca who is worth anything actually defending is Puyol. Also Valdes is just awful. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
And Barça has played several games this Liga with only 3 defenders lol. I think you guys don't really watch our games at all. Abidal and Mascherano are really rock solid at defence as well. Piqué is ok and Alves is meh, but sick at attacking. Changing subject: I think the 3 nominated players for FWP will be Messi, CR and Drogba. Of these, only CR is playing the EURO which will be huge IMO. If he carries Portugal far he's most likely to win it. If Portugal fails (hopefuly  ), he's gonna get 3rd place. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On June 01 2012 02:31 sharkie wrote: Isn't losing Lampard actually better for England though? Considering now both Gerrard and Lampard won't be on the pitch together. You think Parker and Gerrard be a force anyway? Lol Parker most average footballer i have ever seen anywhere. He can tackle and run around for 90 minutes all he does. Doesn't score doesn't make amazing through balls or killer passes, does nothing. Huge blow  Lampard Out Of EURO 2012 | ||
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Slightly
United States80 Posts
On June 01 2012 02:42 Salteador Neo wrote: Valdés has been Zamora for 4 years in a row now. And Barça has played several games this Liga with only 3 defenders lol. I think you guys don't really watch our games at all. Abidal and Mascherano are really rock solid at defence as well. Piqué is ok and Alves is meh, but sick at attacking. Changing subject: I think the 3 nominated players for FWP will be Messi, CR and Drogba. Of these, only CR is playing the EURO which will be huge IMO. If he carries Portugal far he's most likely to win it. If Portugal fails (hopefuly ), he's gonna get 3rd place.Back 4 was a generalization to keep from using defence repetitively, my point was that Barca's style isn't inherently aggressive just because they have a lot of possession in the opposing half. I don't think Barca's defense is actually bad at all, just that their play style gets caught on the counter. | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On May 27 2012 14:02 Steveling wrote: Orgasmic. Just gotta bump this because this is an amazing video. | ||
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Kotreb
Croatia1392 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 01 2012 00:13 Sated wrote: You didn't win the CL because the style isn't aggressive enough nor attacking enough to break down a team that "parks the bus" with a high-level of competency. I like how every now and then you insist on baiting people with the fallacy by adding a strawman that something is by nature passsive and hence cannot be attacking. What would you call a style aggressive enough to break down teams competently parking the bus?. I like how its gone from non attacking to not aggressive btw. Its certainly not belligerent so no its perhaps not aggressive. But its still pretty attacking. Also gifs that have a string of passes in the defense they must do that all day. Please give it a rest you can start pulling that shit for any team. Kick and Rush against teams defending deep with a team of midgets isnt going to work mind you. Unless your hoping a Drogba is going to come around and have a magic season every 10 years. Pray do enlighten what style "is" aggressive enough". And if throwing hail Mary's is your answer God help you, + Show Spoiler + (just like he did Chelsea hue hue) Also Tiki taka is not just about keeping posession. And the prio is forward pass, or a pass that you believe will lead to a movement forward (triangles etc.). Atleast thats the theory. It relies on pass and move, so standing around pushing it back and forth isnt really what happens, as much as thats what you'd like to believe. They are always looking to move forward. If they arent able to because space doesnt exist or they arent good enough to find it, well thats a different issue. Anyway why even bother. On June 01 2012 00:46 GTR wrote: Jordi Alba looks likely to head to Barcelona. Good choice to replace Abidal at left back over there. Very good choice. I really really like Jordi Alba, Valencia such a feeder club though, its really sad. Not the best defender but since when did Barca ever have "good" defenders amirite ? | ||
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SoulTakerz
Canada353 Posts
On June 01 2012 03:34 Twisted wrote: Just gotta bump this because this is an amazing video. Tbh even though i saw most of these before, some of them still make my jaw drop. It will be very unfortunate if messi don't get ballon d'or this year because of champions league. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On June 01 2012 03:34 Twisted wrote: Just gotta bump this because this is an amazing video. Fun fact. Hazard and Messi the only 2 players in Europe to score more than 15 goals and have more than 15 assists ^_^ | ||
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