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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
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kakaman
United States1576 Posts
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
On August 13 2011 09:24 kakaman wrote: LOL Wegner says he doesn't want Mata, it's Tevez or bust! Arsenal is screwed this season. ![[image loading]](http://i53.tinypic.com/eqxe11.jpg) | ||
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BulldogBCN
Spain50 Posts
On August 12 2011 23:41 Sanctimonius wrote: Looks like Fabby will be going. I just wish he didn't love Barca so much, their practices in trying to get him over the past few years have been shocking and ugly, it amazes me FIFA didn't step in to try and tone it down. Oh, wait, it doesn't because FIFA loves Barca and hates the Premiership. Ah well. Anyways at least we won't have the love-fest from the Barca players anymore and we can draw a line under the whole damn thing. Cesc, thank you for some amazing memories and performances, I hope you don't spend too long on the bench. Wenger, please spend the money you get from him and Nasri quickly, on some solid players who can perform now, not in a few years time. what exactly was shocking, ugly and worthy of FIFA stepping in? the time they put a barça jersey on him? that was after they spent the whole day celebrating the worldcup... some drunk guys joking around, nothing more. arsenal fans made a way too huge deal about that. what i find shocking and ugly is arsenal hunting for teenagers in all the good football schools of europe and then not letting them return home, when their time at arsenal is clearly over.  FIFA loves barça and hates the premiership? care to elaborate on that? i don't get where that idea comes from (except from the fact that barcelona has the best football team on the planet atm... of course people that are into football will love them). however... from a barça fan point of view, i must also say that i'm pretty happy the whole thing is finally over. having that story on the table every summer was getting pretty annoying. i have been avoiding sports press ever since the champions league finale was over, because it was "cesc, cesc, cesc, cesc, hey that thiago guy's pretty good, cesc, cesc, cesc" all day long... so happy the new season starts this sunday. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On August 13 2011 14:45 BulldogBCN wrote: however... from a barça fan point of view, i must also say that i'm pretty happy the whole thing is finally over. having that story on the table every summer was getting pretty annoying. i have been avoiding sports press ever since the champions league finale was over, because it was "cesc, cesc, cesc, cesc, hey that thiago guy's pretty good, cesc, cesc, cesc" all day long... so happy the new season starts this sunday. If you mean la Liga, it's not starting yet. Players are on strike for the first two weeks. | ||
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Sanctimonius
United Kingdom861 Posts
On August 13 2011 14:45 BulldogBCN wrote: what exactly was shocking, ugly and worthy of FIFA stepping in? the time they put a barça jersey on him? that was after they spent the whole day celebrating the worldcup... some drunk guys joking around, nothing more. arsenal fans made a way too huge deal about that. what i find shocking and ugly is arsenal hunting for teenagers in all the good football schools of europe and then not letting them return home, when their time at arsenal is clearly over. FIFA loves barça and hates the premiership? care to elaborate on that? i don't get where that idea comes from (except from the fact that barcelona has the best football team on the planet atm... of course people that are into football will love them). however... from a barça fan point of view, i must also say that i'm pretty happy the whole thing is finally over. having that story on the table every summer was getting pretty annoying. i have been avoiding sports press ever since the champions league finale was over, because it was "cesc, cesc, cesc, cesc, hey that thiago guy's pretty good, cesc, cesc, cesc" all day long... so happy the new season starts this sunday. Guessing we won't see eye to eye on this one for some reason... :D Basically it really annoyed me that Barca, the players, the manager, the President, their mothers, the mayor of a small village, goats and parameciums were allowed to constantly try and influence Cesc to come to Barca. They mounted a very public campaign to demand he be 'released' back to where he 'belongs' and tried to drive the price down. This is not the manner in which business should be conducted, morally, but it is also in contravention of FIFA law in regards to tapping up. I'll be the first to admit Arsene isn't innocent of this himself, you're not likely to find a man who scrutinises the academies for youth talent more closely and not be able to label him a pervert, but he has never talked this much about some other team's player. I suspect he doesn't have the energy. Add to that the constant insinuations of keeping Cesc against his will and speaking for him. Cesc actually handled himself with dignity through this. Everyone knew he would one day end up back at Barca, but for some reason they wanted to force the issue - I suspect it's political, since sure as hell Barca don't need him just yet. The shirt thing was merely the most disgusting part. It was a national triumph, vindication of the way Spain have prepared for the world cup and testament to the talent they have in players and coaches. It was a sterling achievement for the country, and it was muddied by some players who refused to act with decorum and drag the whole thing into their ugly campaign to grasp Cesc. It was pathetic and frankly sad to see. As for FIFA hating the Premiership, both FIFA and UEFA have tried to limit the powers of the Premiership, going so far as to introduce illegal measures to limit the number of foreigners in the league and limit the money going into the clubs. It could be argued that this is necessary to try and preserve some of the game's integrity - Lord knows the game has too much money and not enough sense. And it could be an attempt to try and help England actually get a decent pool for the national team...but I doubt it. There is also a perceived bias against English clubs in Europe - I personally don't believe the game is against us on the pitch, but there's no doubt we get unnecessary and heavy-handed attention from authorities, likely a carry-over from the 70s and 80s when we earned that. It would be nice if they recognised times, and English fans, have changed. What is harder to explain is the bias Barca has enjoyed in the past few Champions' Leagues. Seriously, the games against Chelsea and Arsenal were pretty shocking in their treatment of the English teams, the standard of refereeing was appalling. What would have calmed the anger over that would have been a report from FIFA apologising. Instead we see legitimate complaints being met with harsher sanctions - Drogba at Chelsea and the whole thing with RvP being sent off and Wenger suffering for it - his complaints have him banned for the Udinese match. That's where I'm coming from on the issue, anyways  | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
and do you really believe that had rvp stayed on the pitch the sorry figure that he was cutting would actually lead to a goal ? And do you really believe that arsenal in all its glorious defensive capability would be able to do anything but score itself into winning that tie which could be argued that frankly RVP or no RVP wouldnt have affected to greatly.. Im just as annoyed as anyone at the ridiculous decision making that goes on.. if anything it basically gives people an excuse to complain and frankly its not fair.. but it happens.. as for financial fair play.. I personally dont care.. ppl are dumping money into it left right and center and all of them will find loop holes to balance the books.. sure Platinis not stupid but its not going to be easy for him either.. to many vested interests.. and yeah I wouldnt read to much into the shirt thing,.. Piques pretty known to be a jerk quite often and some alcohol would only serve to have them go a bit to far. it was just some fun.. maybe it hurt Arsenal and was out of line.. but the bigger deal you make out of it there more it actually seems like your worried that really is how it shouldve been.. | ||
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Ayush_SCtoss
India3050 Posts
Oh well, enjoy your stay at Barfa. (haha I kid, barca). PL starts today woot! Too bad the only interesting game is Arsenal vs Newcastle. | ||
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Enchanted
United States1609 Posts
On August 13 2011 19:43 Rebs wrote: thats right let it all out .... feel better now? These arent things no one has ever heard before.. you know when people dont have to dive into absurd explanations and breakdowns like these ? when they start winning stuff.. get some steel and backbone and stop complaining.. lucks always been involved... bigger premier league teams get like twice the amount of injury time a normal team would if theyre behind, thats just how its been.. you could point to alot of occasions where ridiculous things happened for teams to win the CL .. case in point porto.. How can you even compare the two? Porto wins the champions league 1 year with barely any questionable calls and Barca wins with some of the worst refing in history. Hopefully the refs can carry Barca this year too ^^. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On August 13 2011 20:14 Megatronn wrote: How can you even compare the two? Porto wins the champions league 1 year with barely any questionable calls and Barca wins with some of the worst refing in history. Hopefully the refs can carry Barca this year too ^^. oh ? and Scholes's very obvious goal got disallowed because? ... and Carvallho practically tugged and tore the pants of half the teams they played (especially in the box) till the semis especially against manu, I cba to poke the highlights but it was a typically dirty Mourinho team that got away with alot of stuff but people were just alot more interested int he Cinderella story.. the Andrade sending off was just as big a joke as RVP's go check it out.. especially when Deco went all arms up..moral? dont do stupid things even its harmless fun .. frankly I thought Monaco was a much better team to watch.. Sucks they didnt win but they got outplayed that night.. | ||
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thehitman
1105 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On August 13 2011 20:14 Megatronn wrote: How can you even compare the two? Porto wins the champions league 1 year with barely any questionable calls and Barca wins with some of the worst refing in history. Hopefully the refs can carry Barca this year too ^^. I wonder if all this barça hate is jealousy, ignorance, or both :o Guess Mou's lack of class and sportmanship has hurt the sport a lot more than I thought. | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
On August 13 2011 22:23 Salteador Neo wrote: I wonder if all this barça hate is jealousy, ignorance, or both :o Guess Mou's lack of class and sportmanship has hurt the sport a lot more than I thought. Probably both - Barca get highlighted because of their success and as a result, decisions that go their way get more attention. Personally, I believe that ref's try their best to be fair and unbiased in their decisions, but are unable to be 100% accurate. To say that there is a systemic bias towards Barcelona is pretty absurd. To win the Champions League it seems that you always need a bit of refereeing luck along with prodigious talent as well. I am still quite upset at the 2009 Chelsea-Barcelona semifinal, but that was simply an instance of one referee making poor choices. Last year Inter got some fortuitous calls going their way at the San Siro and at the Nou Camp (although they were down to ten men) which helped them greatly as well. That's just how the game is played, and luck always does factor into the game. | ||
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TonyL2
England1953 Posts
Will Cesc or Nasri still play today? I have a feeling it'll be a draw regardless in that game | ||
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kakaman
United States1576 Posts
As for FIFA hating the Premiership, both FIFA and UEFA have tried to limit the powers of the Premiership, going so far as to introduce illegal measures to limit the number of foreigners in the league and limit the money going into the clubs. It could be argued that this is necessary to try and preserve some of the game's integrity - Lord knows the game has too much money and not enough sense. And it could be an attempt to try and help England actually get a decent pool for the national team...but I doubt it. There is also a perceived bias against English clubs in Europe - I personally don't believe the game is against us on the pitch, but there's no doubt we get unnecessary and heavy-handed attention from authorities, likely a carry-over from the 70s and 80s when we earned that. It would be nice if they recognised times, and English fans, have changed. This was not FIFA's doing, this was actually the FA trying to protect English talent. It's no surprise Spanish talent has surpassed the English in the last 10 years, so it's a way of nurturing local talent and paying them in the EPL. I mean, Andy Carroll's transfer fee was worth more than Fabregas', that's hurting English players? LOL | ||
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TonyL2
England1953 Posts
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GTR
51515 Posts
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Kevan
Sweden2303 Posts
On August 13 2011 23:09 TonyL2 wrote: Oh Suarez, why did you not put that away He scored minutes later lol. Downing hit the crossbar and Carrolls goal shouldn't have been disallowed. Overall good play in the first half by 'Pool. | ||
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BulldogBCN
Spain50 Posts
On August 13 2011 16:32 Salteador Neo wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 13 2011 14:45 BulldogBCN wrote: however... from a barça fan point of view, i must also say that i'm pretty happy the whole thing is finally over. having that story on the table every summer was getting pretty annoying. i have been avoiding sports press ever since the champions league finale was over, because it was "cesc, cesc, cesc, cesc, hey that thiago guy's pretty good, cesc, cesc, cesc" all day long... so happy the new season starts this sunday. If you mean la Liga, it's not starting yet. Players are on strike for the first two weeks. are they really? i thought the whole issue got solved... well, whatever. i meant the supercopa, though. on a sidenote, nice to see someone from andorra here, we should play some sc2 games sometime...  On August 13 2011 18:06 Sanctimonius wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 13 2011 14:45 BulldogBCN wrote: what exactly was shocking, ugly and worthy of FIFA stepping in? the time they put a barça jersey on him? that was after they spent the whole day celebrating the worldcup... some drunk guys joking around, nothing more. arsenal fans made a way too huge deal about that. what i find shocking and ugly is arsenal hunting for teenagers in all the good football schools of europe and then not letting them return home, when their time at arsenal is clearly over. FIFA loves barça and hates the premiership? care to elaborate on that? i don't get where that idea comes from (except from the fact that barcelona has the best football team on the planet atm... of course people that are into football will love them). however... from a barça fan point of view, i must also say that i'm pretty happy the whole thing is finally over. having that story on the table every summer was getting pretty annoying. i have been avoiding sports press ever since the champions league finale was over, because it was "cesc, cesc, cesc, cesc, hey that thiago guy's pretty good, cesc, cesc, cesc" all day long... so happy the new season starts this sunday. Guessing we won't see eye to eye on this one for some reason... :D Basically it really annoyed me that Barca, the players, the manager, the President, their mothers, the mayor of a small village, goats and parameciums were allowed to constantly try and influence Cesc to come to Barca. They mounted a very public campaign to demand he be 'released' back to where he 'belongs' and tried to drive the price down. This is not the manner in which business should be conducted, morally, but it is also in contravention of FIFA law in regards to tapping up. I'll be the first to admit Arsene isn't innocent of this himself, you're not likely to find a man who scrutinises the academies for youth talent more closely and not be able to label him a pervert, but he has never talked this much about some other team's player. I suspect he doesn't have the energy. Add to that the constant insinuations of keeping Cesc against his will and speaking for him. Cesc actually handled himself with dignity through this. Everyone knew he would one day end up back at Barca, but for some reason they wanted to force the issue - I suspect it's political, since sure as hell Barca don't need him just yet. The shirt thing was merely the most disgusting part. It was a national triumph, vindication of the way Spain have prepared for the world cup and testament to the talent they have in players and coaches. It was a sterling achievement for the country, and it was muddied by some players who refused to act with decorum and drag the whole thing into their ugly campaign to grasp Cesc. It was pathetic and frankly sad to see. As for FIFA hating the Premiership, both FIFA and UEFA have tried to limit the powers of the Premiership, going so far as to introduce illegal measures to limit the number of foreigners in the league and limit the money going into the clubs. It could be argued that this is necessary to try and preserve some of the game's integrity - Lord knows the game has too much money and not enough sense. And it could be an attempt to try and help England actually get a decent pool for the national team...but I doubt it. There is also a perceived bias against English clubs in Europe - I personally don't believe the game is against us on the pitch, but there's no doubt we get unnecessary and heavy-handed attention from authorities, likely a carry-over from the 70s and 80s when we earned that. It would be nice if they recognised times, and English fans, have changed. What is harder to explain is the bias Barca has enjoyed in the past few Champions' Leagues. Seriously, the games against Chelsea and Arsenal were pretty shocking in their treatment of the English teams, the standard of refereeing was appalling. What would have calmed the anger over that would have been a report from FIFA apologising. Instead we see legitimate complaints being met with harsher sanctions - Drogba at Chelsea and the whole thing with RvP being sent off and Wenger suffering for it - his complaints have him banned for the Udinese match. That's where I'm coming from on the issue, anyways really the only event that i could see as annoying was the thing at the worldcup celebration, even though alcohol explains it. about the public campaign to get him back... i don't know, i'm under the impression the english media might have hyped the whole thing a little bit. i didn't notice a public campaign this big. the perceived bias against english club might have something to do with the fact that many english clubs got bought up by some billionaire, who's keeping those clubs on a high level "artificially". also... there's hardly any english players in the english clubs anymore. all of that can lead some people to the conclusion, that the premier league is getting somewhat "americanized" and the clubs throw away their traditions to become nothing more than some franchise. at least that's what i hear from people who have that bias you're talking about. about the past champions leagues: the chelsea - barça match a few years ago was decided by a terrible referee, there's no way to deny that. but that's just what happens in football... sometimes referees make mistakes in your favour, sometimes they help your opponent. one year later, in the champions league semi finals against inter milan, barça got kicked out almost single handedly by portuguese referee benquerença (personal friend of mourinho, who at the time was inter milan's coach). do you see anyone running around remembering that game over and over again to build up silly conspiracy theories? get over it, barça deserved to win the champions league in 2009 and so did inter milan one year later. remembering the referee is for losers. the red card for van persie... dude, i don't even know what to say about that. it's just arsenal fans trying to jump on the bandwagon chelsea fans created after the 2009 semifinals. the second yellow card was ridiculous, no doubt about that. but it was what, the 70th minute? and arsenal hadn't even made a single shot on target in that game. it made no difference, period. it's ridiculous to point at that red card as a game changer. | ||
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