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cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
May 30 2011 15:13 GMT
#41
I haven't played the last two games of the series: is it possible to play the turn based map in multiplayer (1vs1 for example)?
I'm not a big fan of single player, so I'd love to play 1v1s on the big map ^_^
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
May 30 2011 15:16 GMT
#42
On May 31 2011 00:13 cyclone25 wrote:
I haven't played the last two games of the series: is it possible to play the turn based map in multiplayer (1vs1 for example)?
I'm not a big fan of single player, so I'd love to play 1v1s on the big map ^_^

Yeah, there's a co op campaign available now. No idea how good it is but from what I've gathered it's basically just whoever you're playing with replacing one of the AI.
Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
May 30 2011 15:45 GMT
#43
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Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-30 16:12:45
May 30 2011 16:05 GMT
#44
Awesome, I must have sunk a combined 1000+ hours into this franchise.
I really want them to expand the scope of the strategic map-portion of the game. I always felt that this was the game's weak point (along with AI...). If they combined the grand strategy and immense scope of Europa Universalis with Total War battle mechanics, I think my life would be complete.

As for my personal preference for time period, I'd like to see bronze age Near-East, spanning from Greece to the Hindu Kush. So much interesting history, over a huuuge time span that is often been neglected by games.

Or failing that, maybe a medieval game spanning the entire Old World, at the time of the Mongol conquests. Who wouldn't want to play as the Mongols, and try to outdo Genghis Khan?
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
May 30 2011 17:41 GMT
#45
I gave up on the series after Empire/Napoleon and trying out a bit of Shogun 2.

I'm still a huge fan of both Medievals and Rome. IMO, the series' peak was Rome (especially considering the number of awesome mods for it), with Medieval 2 being the last quality title in the series.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
May 30 2011 17:57 GMT
#46
The first two games were the best, imo. CA tried to appeal to a mass audience in Rome and made too many joke, unrealistic units and the abomination that was the anachronistic Egyptian faction. It also lost the feel of the Roman period because cavalry was just fucking overpowered compared to infantry, which dominated the era.

Medieval 2 was a slight improvement, balance and historical wise, over Rome but lost a lot of the flavor and the variety of units, even compared to the original Medieval. Empire was just a mess of bad AI, bugs and the game engine isn't really good for mass gunpowder fighting.

Shogun 2 has the drawback of a huge lack of variety. The balance and flavor and the feel is awesome, however, since CA was able to concentrate on balancing a few units.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
May 30 2011 18:02 GMT
#47
On May 31 2011 02:57 andrewlt wrote:
The first two games were the best, imo. CA tried to appeal to a mass audience in Rome and made too many joke, unrealistic units and the abomination that was the anachronistic Egyptian faction. It also lost the feel of the Roman period because cavalry was just fucking overpowered compared to infantry, which dominated the era.

Medieval 2 was a slight improvement, balance and historical wise, over Rome but lost a lot of the flavor and the variety of units, even compared to the original Medieval. Empire was just a mess of bad AI, bugs and the game engine isn't really good for mass gunpowder fighting.

Shogun 2 has the drawback of a huge lack of variety. The balance and flavor and the feel is awesome, however, since CA was able to concentrate on balancing a few units.

The mods for RTW made the game about a trillion times better. I really hate how they've basically hamstring'd modders in the newer games.
Pengu
Profile Joined April 2011
England226 Posts
May 30 2011 18:19 GMT
#48
So far I have loved all the games
For a next one...
What I would love to see would be ww1/ww2/cold war
However due to people knowing the history a lot more and it being almost impossible to make a fun game out of it I doubt we would see it.

Ww1 dominated by trenches
Ww2 dominated by aircraft and tanks
Cold war never really got that hot, however it might be possible to turn it into a fake war ? still tricky to control more modern we get the harder it is to make formations of units and battle tactics wont really work so well.

So what else?
Maybe a medieval focusing on the crusades
A Rome 2 would be my best bet.
Not really sure a cave man total war would work so well
Could maybe have a Future version, but once again modern/ future doesn't really lend itself to TW style. Then again Starcraft total war ? IT COULD HAPPEN!!!

Long story short, I think it will be a Rome styled, maybe a bit of it would be against the Roman Empire, Gaul, Britannia, Egypt and Carthage.

Doesn't really matter to me, loved all there games so far, Best being Napoleon for me ( most disagree)
PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
May 30 2011 18:26 GMT
#49
On May 31 2011 03:19 Pengu wrote:
So far I have loved all the games
For a next one...
What I would love to see would be ww1/ww2/cold war
However due to people knowing the history a lot more and it being almost impossible to make a fun game out of it I doubt we would see it.

Ww1 dominated by trenches
Ww2 dominated by aircraft and tanks
Cold war never really got that hot, however it might be possible to turn it into a fake war ? still tricky to control more modern we get the harder it is to make formations of units and battle tactics wont really work so well.

So what else?
Maybe a medieval focusing on the crusades
A Rome 2 would be my best bet.
Not really sure a cave man total war would work so well
Could maybe have a Future version, but once again modern/ future doesn't really lend itself to TW style. Then again Starcraft total war ? IT COULD HAPPEN!!!

Long story short, I think it will be a Rome styled, maybe a bit of it would be against the Roman Empire, Gaul, Britannia, Egypt and Carthage.

Doesn't really matter to me, loved all there games so far, Best being Napoleon for me ( most disagree)


like i said, anything modern would suck badly. We have enough WW2 games for crying out loud, go play RUSE or Company of Heroes or World at War if u want cold war.

I want another Empire Total War, i think that was the most fun, the fact that the sea actually mattered for something more then just ferrying units back and forth, control of key naval spots was paramount to protect your trade, hunting pirates down, protecting your trading fleets in far off spots when war broke out.

If there was a mod for ETW that was just about the naval side, I'd be happy to sail a ship or a fleet around and do nothing but naval stuff and privateering and taking part in battles between Ships of the Line! that'd be so epic. Why are there no games like the 1st pirates of the caribbean (Sea Dogs 2) but better and more realistic? T_T
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Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-30 18:31:02
May 30 2011 18:29 GMT
#50
Rome is the daddy, I would love a sequel. I didnt like Empire personally, Napoleon was better but still not as good as Rome.

Edit: Someone spoke about staying in the east. If they did a Sun Tzu era TW that would be awesome
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
stenole
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Norway869 Posts
May 30 2011 18:31 GMT
#51
I liked Medieval 2, but only the strategic map part of the game. Clashing armies against each other was not that interesting. As you started trying to play a little less casually, you are forced to do things that break the immersive qualities of the game. It also feels like the individual games in the series are abandoned by the developers to work on the next installment. The games will have some bugged mechanics that are haphazardly fixed with a patch but give rise to new bugs that are more severe. And then the game doesn't receive more support. My experience with the series is only Medieval 1 and 2 though, so maybe things have changed. I highly doubt it though.
Quesa
Profile Joined November 2010
United States304 Posts
May 30 2011 18:37 GMT
#52
On May 31 2011 03:26 PlaGuE_R wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2011 03:19 Pengu wrote:
So far I have loved all the games
For a next one...
What I would love to see would be ww1/ww2/cold war
However due to people knowing the history a lot more and it being almost impossible to make a fun game out of it I doubt we would see it.

Ww1 dominated by trenches
Ww2 dominated by aircraft and tanks
Cold war never really got that hot, however it might be possible to turn it into a fake war ? still tricky to control more modern we get the harder it is to make formations of units and battle tactics wont really work so well.

So what else?
Maybe a medieval focusing on the crusades
A Rome 2 would be my best bet.
Not really sure a cave man total war would work so well
Could maybe have a Future version, but once again modern/ future doesn't really lend itself to TW style. Then again Starcraft total war ? IT COULD HAPPEN!!!

Long story short, I think it will be a Rome styled, maybe a bit of it would be against the Roman Empire, Gaul, Britannia, Egypt and Carthage.

Doesn't really matter to me, loved all there games so far, Best being Napoleon for me ( most disagree)


like i said, anything modern would suck badly. We have enough WW2 games for crying out loud, go play RUSE or Company of Heroes or World at War if u want cold war.


Like you said, you already stated your case.

I much prefer the pre-firearms eras, but what I enjoyed about Empire's battles were that they reminded me of an American Civil War book I had as a child that had action painting-style overheads of every battle. The soldiers in formation on the hills and behind the fences were exactly the same scale as I remembered, and it felt like playing a game I'd seen for most of my life. As such, I would love a detailed treatment of that period along the same lines as Shogun; not very likely however.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
Laids
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom596 Posts
May 30 2011 18:39 GMT
#53
Hated everything about Empire, never played Shogun myself.

If they go back to how Total War games used to play then sure, but sticking with the Civ/TW hybrid bastard style of Empire will stop me spending any more money on the franchise. I'm sorry but how do you fuck up a game as badly as they did with Empire?


RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6261 Posts
May 30 2011 18:45 GMT
#54
On May 31 2011 02:57 andrewlt wrote:
The first two games were the best, imo. CA tried to appeal to a mass audience in Rome and made too many joke, unrealistic units and the abomination that was the anachronistic Egyptian faction. It also lost the feel of the Roman period because cavalry was just fucking overpowered compared to infantry, which dominated the era.

Medieval 2 was a slight improvement, balance and historical wise, over Rome but lost a lot of the flavor and the variety of units, even compared to the original Medieval. Empire was just a mess of bad AI, bugs and the game engine isn't really good for mass gunpowder fighting.

Shogun 2 has the drawback of a huge lack of variety. The balance and flavor and the feel is awesome, however, since CA was able to concentrate on balancing a few units.


iirc they made Egypt the way it was because they didn't want another nation based on phalanxes so just for gameplay reasons. Tbh I don't think it was that bad of a choice, fighting those greeks off was a pain in the ass anyway couldn't stand another phalanx :D.
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-30 18:45:53
May 30 2011 18:45 GMT
#55
For those prediciting and dont know,

Napoleon, Alexander, MesoAmerica, Vikings, Crusades, have all been done in expansions, so they wont likely return to them.

I personally would like a game based on China and Mongolia, but if I had to guess, I would say they likely try something crazy, like WW2 or even Future based. being the horde would be awesome (The Golden Horde in Medieval is only a small faction of the horde and involved only their westward expansions).

Of course a greek states game would be cool, SPARTA!!
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
May 30 2011 18:49 GMT
#56
if I had to place a bet on s setting that they did not do yet I would say they will go for China + South East Asia next.

Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand, China all of them have old history filled with many different civilisations.
OmaplatA
Profile Joined October 2010
United States33 Posts
May 30 2011 18:59 GMT
#57
I am really digging Shogun 2 right now

You know what would be cool?

Crusades: Total War

Saladin and Richard I slug it out in the holy land

Or Ancient Greece: Total War

Athenian and Spartan hoplites seem like a natural fit for the TW battle mechanics
myzael
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Poland605 Posts
May 30 2011 19:18 GMT
#58
On May 30 2011 23:55 sermokala wrote:
Stainless steel for Medieval 2 is the best mod ever created.

I wholeheartedly second that! MTW2 is still one of my favourite games thanks to this mod. The gaming experience, diversity and balance increases sooo much. The modders did their best to improve AI and it's better than vanilla's (not perfect though). Hell I'd still play it if it weren't such a timesucker
Zrana
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom698 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-30 19:31:18
May 30 2011 19:28 GMT
#59
The problem with Rome:total war is that the roman infantry has to be ridiculously OP compared to most of the other soldiers available at the time. That's (partly) why they had such a badass empire.

Personally i'd love an ancient world: total war - the greeks, minoans, persians, egyptians, with trireme style naval combat would be so epic (basically age of empires 1 again)

edit: also a mongolian khanate game would be so much awesomeness, but the battle maps would have to be ridiculously huge to actually use some of the tactics the mongols employed
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-30 19:32:15
May 30 2011 19:30 GMT
#60
On May 31 2011 03:59 OmaplatA wrote:
I am really digging Shogun 2 right now

You know what would be cool?

Crusades: Total War

Saladin and Richard I slug it out in the holy land

Or Ancient Greece: Total War

Athenian and Spartan hoplites seem like a natural fit for the TW battle mechanics



lol.... Did you read my post 2 posts above.

Ancient greece (Alexander has been done, although not city states)

Crusades has been done. Richard and Saladin DO slug it out. You can have both as your generals depending on what faction you play obviously.


edit.

Alexander is an Rome Total war expansion and Crusades: Total War is as Medieval Total War 2 expansion
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
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