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On May 30 2011 11:54 ClanWISH wrote:
TT1 there no rules on signing players lol, i know ur upset cause ur fnatic, but if u cared so much to keep your players you would do what u can, SK probably offered him something better, why wouldnt he take it.
ever heard of loyalty? its pretty important amongst the sc1 players
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I heard hacking is frowned upon in the sc1 community aswell.
jk I still love you 8D
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On May 30 2011 13:41 zeru wrote:
Are contracts really THAT shitty written that something like this actually can happen?
Think the issue would be with the legal costs of taking it to trial and if it's really worth the time and money. Would be nice to finally have it go that far though.
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On May 30 2011 13:41 zeru wrote:
Are contracts really THAT shitty written that something like this actually can happen?
Heh, delpan probably didn't even read what he was signing for when he actually joined fnatic.
SK still an odd organization I can still see lol
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i'm shocked there is still a cs 1.6 esports scene uch anymore. anyone how how exactly big it is?
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It's dying, but still pretty big compared to other games except sc2.
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On May 30 2011 13:28 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 11:54 ClanWISH wrote:
TT1 there no rules on signing players lol, i know ur upset cause ur fnatic, but if u cared so much to keep your players you would do what u can, SK probably offered him something better, why wouldnt he take it. ever heard of loyalty? its pretty important amongst the sc1 players
given your maphacking past, you should be the last person trying to take the moral high ground here.
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On May 30 2011 11:54 ClanWISH wrote:
TT1 there no rules on signing players lol, i know ur upset cause ur fnatic, but if u cared so much to keep your players you would do what u can, SK probably offered him something better, why wouldnt he take it.
You shouldn't make blanket statements like this without ANY knowledge.
There are clauses within contracts that require buyout fees from other teams that want to sign a contracted player. For example, EG paid mTw the buyout fee to sign DeMuslim to a new contract, this happens regularly. Fnatic and SK contracts always require buyout clauses which SK did not deal with. My assumption is that they either didn't know that Delpan was not formally released yet, or they knew but didn't want to deal with it, and they just wanted to make the signing official since they knew Delpan would be leaving.
On May 30 2011 13:28 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 11:54 ClanWISH wrote:
TT1 there no rules on signing players lol, i know ur upset cause ur fnatic, but if u cared so much to keep your players you would do what u can, SK probably offered him something better, why wouldnt he take it. ever heard of loyalty? its pretty important amongst the sc1 players
It is to SC players moreso than counterstrike players. My guess is Delpan should also be at fault since he probably pulled a Gux and told SK that he had been released and was ready to sign a new contract. Miscommunication and misinformation.
On May 30 2011 13:41 zeru wrote:
Are contracts really THAT shitty written that something like this actually can happen?
It is completely standard for all contracts to include these. Why would an organization want to have signed a player to a 12 month contract or 2 year contract for xxx amount of potential money involved just to have their player become a superstar and then immediately get taken by another team for no compensation? Thats not a shitty clause its completely, as CatZ would say, Standard.
On May 30 2011 14:11 masterbreti wrote:
i'm shocked there is still a cs 1.6 esports scene uch anymore. anyone how how exactly big it is?
It's very large in terms of players, there aren't as many people who sit at home and watch others play it but the player pool is as large if not larger than SC2 in many parts of the world.
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On May 30 2011 14:26 PrideNeverDie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 13:28 TT1 wrote:On May 30 2011 11:54 ClanWISH wrote:
TT1 there no rules on signing players lol, i know ur upset cause ur fnatic, but if u cared so much to keep your players you would do what u can, SK probably offered him something better, why wouldnt he take it. ever heard of loyalty? its pretty important amongst the sc1 players given your maphacking past, you should be the last person trying to take the moral high ground here. Pretty bold statement from a nobody who probably has no idea about TT1s past or the situation surrounding his maphacking.
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On May 30 2011 11:02 Froadac wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 09:26 Zlasher wrote:
Should we also mention Delpan and Gux's team histories the past <12months?
Delpan: Lions SK Fnatic SK
Gux: SK Fnatic SK Fnatic Lions Fnatic. Holy.... I don't follow CS but that's ridiculous.
In fairness to Delpan, he was only a standin for SK the first time around, so it's closer to "Lions->Fnatic->SK", which isn't that bad. He shined in his time with Lions, then stepped in for SK, then got an offer from fnatic - and now he has found out that things arent't going the way he expected them to.
On May 30 2011 13:28 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 11:54 ClanWISH wrote:
TT1 there no rules on signing players lol, i know ur upset cause ur fnatic, but if u cared so much to keep your players you would do what u can, SK probably offered him something better, why wouldnt he take it. ever heard of loyalty? its pretty important amongst the sc1 players
That's an entirely different thing. SC1 is played by one person (fair enough you practice with other players, but when it's game time it's all on you, and no one else). In CS you've got five people who have to mesh and work together at any given time - now if 1 out of 5 is not doing as he should (whether it's performance or attitude), then it'll fuck everything up for the remaining 4 - if you then were to get an offer to join someone you've meshed well with in the past, then it's not hard to see why one would accept such an offer. Playing without any form of joy wears you down pretty quickly, and when you've been playing a game for such a long time, you'll find it harder to motivate yourself to keep playing..
.. you get the driftt
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On May 30 2011 14:45 VENDIZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 11:02 Froadac wrote:On May 30 2011 09:26 Zlasher wrote:
Should we also mention Delpan and Gux's team histories the past <12months?
Delpan: Lions SK Fnatic SK
Gux: SK Fnatic SK Fnatic Lions Fnatic. Holy.... I don't follow CS but that's ridiculous. In fairness to Delpan, he was only a standin for SK the first time around, so it's closer to "Lions->Fnatic->SK", which isn't that bad. He shined in his time with Lions, then stepped in for SK, then got an offer from fnatic - and now he has found out that things arent't going the way he expected them to. Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 13:28 TT1 wrote:On May 30 2011 11:54 ClanWISH wrote:
TT1 there no rules on signing players lol, i know ur upset cause ur fnatic, but if u cared so much to keep your players you would do what u can, SK probably offered him something better, why wouldnt he take it. ever heard of loyalty? its pretty important amongst the sc1 players That's an entirely different thing. SC1 is played by one person (fair enough you practice with other players, but when it's game time it's all on you, and no one else). In CS you've got five people who have to mesh and work together at any given time - now if 1 out of 5 is not doing as he should (whether it's performance or attitude), then it'll fuck everything up for the remaining 4 - if you then were to get an offer to join someone you've meshed well with in the past, then it's not hard to see why one would accept such an offer. Playing without any form of joy wears you down pretty quickly, and when you've been playing a game for such a long time, you'll find it harder to motivate yourself to keep playing.. .. you get the driftt
Before that it was two small clans into a "gun for hire" state since people needed 5ths and he was available so he was temporarily on Lions til he was replaced, then SK while SK was looking for proper replacements for walle and gux. Which led to GTR and f0rest. Point being he's been on a lot of teams the past 18 months lol. Gux is even worse though
Completely agree with the second statement though ;o
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On May 30 2011 13:28 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 11:54 ClanWISH wrote:
TT1 there no rules on signing players lol, i know ur upset cause ur fnatic, but if u cared so much to keep your players you would do what u can, SK probably offered him something better, why wouldnt he take it. ever heard of loyalty? its pretty important amongst the sc1 players
I dont like it myself but I guess that sincethe players need eat some of their loyalty surely lies with the money. Are there no legal bindings when a player is signed ? The biggest error in this case seem to be the contract. A larger governing body in E-sports maybe could help the teams provide this ? I hate the idea myself but maybe weve come to the point where a fifa or a kespa is needed in the foreign community.
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Well I lost my respect for SK long time ago. They just make retarded moves all the time, I'm glad they're not the premier gaming organisation they used to be.
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Dunno why SK cares so much about dead/dying FPS games. Instead of trying to put together a "championship" CS team (which will in all likelihood still get destroyed by NaVi) they should focus on getting some decent SC2 players...
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On May 30 2011 16:04 bokchoi wrote:
Dunno why SK cares so much about dead/dying FPS games. Instead of trying to put together a "championship" CS team (which will in all likelihood still get destroyed by NaVi) they should focus on getting some decent SC2 players...
There's still a good amount in Europe and Asia though. The game is pretty dead elsewhere.
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On May 30 2011 14:42 uSnAmplified wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 14:26 PrideNeverDie wrote:On May 30 2011 13:28 TT1 wrote:On May 30 2011 11:54 ClanWISH wrote:
TT1 there no rules on signing players lol, i know ur upset cause ur fnatic, but if u cared so much to keep your players you would do what u can, SK probably offered him something better, why wouldnt he take it. ever heard of loyalty? its pretty important amongst the sc1 players given your maphacking past, you should be the last person trying to take the moral high ground here. Pretty bold statement from a nobody who probably has no idea about TT1s past or the situation surrounding his maphacking.
yeah I'm sure he maphacked to save morality and honesty in the world and not because he's a faggot!
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HLTV.org releases their interview with Theslash, SK managing director.
fnatic released last night a statement saying that Delpan had not yet been released. What is the current situation of the player? Is he still tied to fnatic with a contract?
First and foremost, this is a question only Marcus and fnatic can answer. From our point of view, we have worked out a deal with Marcus and in order for him to focus on his new team, we want him to have no problems whatsoever. So we told Fnatic that we are interested in looking at a "buy-out" situation. Interesting is though that the situation is similar to what happened less than 12 months ago, only this time it is the other way around. Back then, fnatic refused to accept that Rasmus was in a legally binding contract with SK.
It is good to see fnatic insisting on contracts between organizations and players to be respected again and I can only hope they will argue the same way when they are approaching a player in the future, regardless for which team he is playing. Anyway, the team wanted Delpan, we negotiated, the player wants to make the move and we are willing to buy him out of a contract between Fnatic and Marcus, it is that simple.
But fnatic said Gux was not contracted to SK...
We did release the photo of the signed contract. How can you say he was not signed?
There's more in the interview, you can read the rest on HLTV.org
http://www.hltv.org/news/6900-theslash-willing-to-buy-delpan
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On May 30 2011 13:28 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2011 11:54 ClanWISH wrote:
TT1 there no rules on signing players lol, i know ur upset cause ur fnatic, but if u cared so much to keep your players you would do what u can, SK probably offered him something better, why wouldnt he take it. ever heard of loyalty? its pretty important amongst the sc1 players
be careful this statement won't bite you in the ass on a later point 
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