EPTSK and Fnatic.CS transfer saga - Page 3
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cuppatea
United Kingdom1401 Posts
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QibingZero
2611 Posts
On May 30 2011 21:34 cuppatea wrote: What happened to SK? They used to dominate the European (if not world) gaming scene with world champions in CS, WC3, Q3, UT, FIFA etc and now they're barely a force in anything. Good question that I'd also like to see an answer for. Their site used to also be a decent place to discuss certain things, and follow eSports in general. After they got into WoW and that whole mess, it just seemed like things went downhill fast. They do have a few SC2 players, but it's clear they aren't putting more than a small fraction of support into it compared to their WC3 days. Very strange. | ||
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thirnaz
Sweden876 Posts
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
Lawyers should be contacted from both sides, the twitter bash is useless. | ||
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Cenja
Sweden498 Posts
Who your team mates are is more important than what your organisation is in CS.. | ||
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thirnaz
Sweden876 Posts
On May 30 2011 22:46 s.a.y wrote: That's a poor move on SK side, but Fnatic did the same thing (signed a player that was still under contract). Lawyers should be contacted from both sides, the twitter bash is useless. Gux didnt sign the contract, they tried to force him to sign a contract for like 6 months but he never did it and then when he didnt get salary he whined like fuck and switched to fnatic | ||
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zeru
8156 Posts
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
You're offering them a deal for when their contract ceases... | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On May 30 2011 23:21 arbitrageur wrote: What's so bad about poaching players whilst they're still on a contract?? You're offering them a deal for when their contract ceases... I think it was the case of SK auctally trying to sign him while he is still on contract, and basically have him contracted to two teams at the same time. If the issue was simply, here is a contract for when your current contract is up with fnatic, it would not have been a big deal. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On May 30 2011 21:34 cuppatea wrote: What happened to SK? They used to dominate the European (if not world) gaming scene with world champions in CS, WC3, Q3, UT, FIFA etc and now they're barely a force in anything. Their CS team, along with Fnatic, have been consistently second tier behind Navi mTw and Frag Executors ever since the Gux fiasco and looks like they will continue to be that way. The two greatest FIFA players of all time, the german twins, recently retired, and rapha is still winning everything in quake (it is the "offseason" for wake per se). Their HoN team has been performing fairly well recently, considered to be the top team in the Honcast weekly rankings for a few weeks now, the longest streak we've seen from SK in a while there due to EG and fnatic's dominance of the poll. And they just haven't given two shits enough to properly form a real SC2 team, which is a shame. On May 30 2011 22:46 s.a.y wrote: That's a poor move on SK side, but Fnatic did the same thing (signed a player that was still under contract). Lawyers should be contacted from both sides, the twitter bash is useless. Not entirely the same situation, Fnatic poached and convinced Gux to not sign his contract with SK after he had been on the team for a few months, and eventually fnatic ended up signing someone that was clearly a part of a championship built team. This situation is a player who is just about ready to be released from his contract, and officially signing another contract with SK before SK ever paid the buyout clause. To be honest the issue is fnatic making the biggest shitstorm since they all knew that Delpan was going to be released from his contract due to the fact that delpan is truly unhappy with being on fnatic, but since it is SK signing the player fnatic wants to screw them over and make the whole situation bigger than it is. Fnatic is probably just waiting til the very last second, as soon as gux officially signs a contract, to release delpan, but meanwhile SK thought the inevitable release of delpan would happen sooner. On May 30 2011 23:21 arbitrageur wrote: What's so bad about poaching players whilst they're still on a contract?? You're offering them a deal for when their contract ceases... There is actually nothing wrong if you pay the buyout clause in the contract. SK just figured delpan had been dropped so they could sign him, when in fact fnatic is holding onto a player they don't intend on keeping for as long as possible, so that SK can't sign him. | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
Its just SK contacting delpan without fnatic org knowing and then fnatic randomly finding out about it and causing a shitstorm because clearly SKs organisation is the biggest joke in esport history. SK.swe 2003 still havent got alot their prizemoney or salary that SK owed them. | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
On May 30 2011 22:26 QibingZero wrote: Good question that I'd also like to see an answer for. Their site used to also be a decent place to discuss certain things, and follow eSports in general. After they got into WoW and that whole mess, it just seemed like things went downhill fast. They do have a few SC2 players, but it's clear they aren't putting more than a small fraction of support into it compared to their WC3 days. Very strange. It's true that back in the days their site used to be a place for discussion. Only thing was, their moderation went to absolute crap, so trolls started dominating. Ever since then, I havn't looked back. | ||
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zeru
8156 Posts
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Polox
Sweden115 Posts
Their CS team, along with Fnatic, have been consistently second tier behind Navi mTw and Frag Executors ever since the Gux fiasco and looks like they will continue to be that way. The two greatest FIFA players of all time, the german twins, recently retired, and rapha is still winning everything in quake (it is the "offseason" for wake per se). Their HoN team has been performing fairly well recently, considered to be the top team in the Honcast weekly rankings for a few weeks now, the longest streak we've seen from SK in a while there due to EG and fnatic's dominance of the poll. And they just haven't given two shits enough to properly form a real SC2 team, which is a shame. I have to disagree with you saying Frag Executors and mTw being on a higher level then SK and Fnatic, or atleast fnatic who has actually won tournaments this year, which I dont remember neither FX or mTw having. And with the new lineups, I see both teams getting the better of it. Fnatic already has an AWPer and SK needed one. Other than that I agree fully, would be awesome to see SK forming an top squad of SC2 players. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
On May 31 2011 00:44 Polox wrote: I have to disagree with you saying Frag Executors and mTw being on a higher level then SK and Fnatic, or atleast fnatic who has actually won tournaments this year, which I dont remember neither FX or mTw having. And with the new lineups, I see both teams getting the better of it. Fnatic already has an AWPer and SK needed one. Other than that I agree fully, would be awesome to see SK forming an top squad of SC2 players. When it comes to performances against each other though FX and mTw have outperformed fnatic. Fnatic had a good run at IEM Europe and thats it, but they do not compete well in BO3's against top teams. Fnatic's performances are based off of BO1 group stage wins and seeded brackets afterwards. Navi FX and mTw are solidified teams that can take the BO3's. And given their IEM World Finals performance I'd say fnatic is second tier behind those three, absolutely. Especially given the fact that their two best performers at IEM were Delpan who will NOT be with the team anymore, and pita. Yes, fnatic won a tournament, but this very moment I'd be putting Navi, FX, mTw top 3 in that order, followed by SK, Lions, and fnatic as the next 3 (not in order). | ||
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thoradycus
Malaysia3262 Posts
[QUOTE]On May 31 2011 00:31 Senx wrote: The whole issue is that the managment of both organizations have ZERO communication over the transfers. Its just SK contacting delpan without fnatic org knowing and then fnatic randomly finding out about it and causing a shitstorm because clearly SKs organisation is the biggest joke in esport history. SK.swe 2003 still havent got alot their prizemoney or salary that SK owed them. And some ex SK wc3 player wasn't paid for the plane tickets he bought which they were supposed to cover, 7 months of salary and prize money. Same with SK's old WoW team i think. Hell was there ever any ex sk player that has said anything good about them?[/QUOTE] i read somewhere long time ago on Wowriot(basically worldofming, where people blog about important stuff, its dead now, and its now on sixjax) in a post by serennia(from former SK team, now defunct?) that they have to pay for their own tickets or something, and SK ignored their requests. I cant post source because it was like 2 years ago,lol. Wowriot is closed anyways | ||
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wun4
Slovakia91 Posts
Personally I do feel it's not such a huge deal at this point as I don't feel SK or fnatic are the center of e-sports (organizations-wise) anymore. Especially SK, since lately they failed to produce results (no major CS 1.6 title in years) in most games other than Quake Live and have close to nonexistent presence in SC2. So while they do harm their own reputation, the good thing is I doubt they will harm e-sports in general. At the end of the day, I just hope both SK and fnatic can play some good CS for the rest of the year as I'd like the last year of CS (I doubt it will survive into 2012) to be a good one. I'll be rooting for Na'Vi though  | ||
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Polox
Sweden115 Posts
On May 31 2011 00:56 Zlasher wrote: When it comes to performances against each other though FX and mTw have outperformed fnatic. Fnatic had a good run at IEM Europe and thats it, but they do not compete well in BO3's against top teams. Fnatic's performances are based off of BO1 group stage wins and seeded brackets afterwards. Navi FX and mTw are solidified teams that can take the BO3's. And given their IEM World Finals performance I'd say fnatic is second tier behind those three, absolutely. Especially given the fact that their two best performers at IEM were Delpan who will NOT be with the team anymore, and pita. Yes, fnatic won a tournament, but this very moment I'd be putting Navi, FX, mTw top 3 in that order, followed by SK, Lions, and fnatic as the next 3 (not in order). True, both SK and fnatic has perfomed below expectations, with the hype around "the two new superteams". But counting tournaments fnatic has won two, while both SK,mTw and FX has as best had top 3 finishes. Na'vi is undisputed the best team right now, but I dont see much difference in terms of perfomance from the other top teams. As I already stated I see both lineups improving, if it will be enough to challenge Na'vi is uncertain. But well, I might be a bit biased since im a swede. =) | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
I played comp cs for a while and loved to follow all the shit that went on between top teams. But after CGS I stopped following because of other games/job commitments so I always wondered what happened to a lot of the American players. This is for cs and css. Any news on rambo, shaguar, method, storm, volcano, ksharp, all the gb players, jmc, etc? I remember when zet moved from the US/Complexity back to his home, whatever happened with that? When I stopped following a lot of people said he was going to go back to being a 1.6 beast cuz that fit his style a lot better. And internationally players like naikon, element, bsl, hyper, vilden, gulden, archie [eyeballers one], bullen, spawn whatever happened to them? They just lose interest? The most logical explanation for all of this is just that they faded out from losing interest but I'd like to believe all of them didn't just fade away like this. Following cs was a huge part of my life as you can probably tell when I was younger so I've always wanted to know what happened to these guys. It puts a smile on my face to see players like neo, walle, f0rest, tentpole etc still around. | ||
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Cofwo
Sweden2 Posts
On May 31 2011 02:10 Ack1027 wrote: I know this is probably a little off topic and I was going to PM this to you anyway Zlasher but you seem pretty up to date on cs stuff and maybe other people wanna know too. Also other people can pitch in as well? I played comp cs for a while and loved to follow all the shit that went on between top teams. But after CGS I stopped following because of other games/job commitments so I always wondered what happened to a lot of the American players. This is for cs and css. Any news on rambo, shaguar, method, storm, volcano, ksharp, all the gb players, jmc, etc? I remember when zet moved from the US/Complexity back to his home, whatever happened with that? When I stopped following a lot of people said he was going to go back to being a 1.6 beast cuz that fit his style a lot better. And internationally players like naikon, element, bsl, hyper, vilden, gulden, archie [eyeballers one], bullen, spawn whatever happened to them? They just lose interest? The most logical explanation for all of this is just that they faded out from losing interest but I'd like to believe all of them didn't just fade away like this. Following cs was a huge part of my life as you can probably tell when I was younger so I've always wanted to know what happened to these guys. It puts a smile on my face to see players like neo, walle, f0rest, tentpole etc still around. If you want to see the latest news in the counterstrike scene you should probably visit hltv.org As for the American players, most of the old school players quit after the source failure but EG is still active and pretty good. (Frod, Storm, N0thing etc.) Zet moved back to Sweden some year ago and started playing for MyM and after some success the team started to fall apart and he retired for good. Naikon, element, bsl, hyper, guden, archie, bullen and spawn have all retired. element was playing in a mix at a recent event for fun tho. Spawn is deeply involved with companies like BenQ, Zowie etc and is a part of Zowies PR Team (HeatoN, SpawN, Ahl, Potti and Fisker. Neo is still playing with his polish teamates, now in FX (Frag executors), F0rest recently joined SK after playing with Fnatic for a couple of years. Walle retired at the end of 2010 after playing with SK for some years. Tentpole retired in 2009 i think and he was last seen playing for SK. | ||
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