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On May 31 2011 02:10 Ack1027 wrote:
I know this is probably a little off topic and I was going to PM this to you anyway Zlasher but you seem pretty up to date on cs stuff and maybe other people wanna know too. Also other people can pitch in as well?
I played comp cs for a while and loved to follow all the shit that went on between top teams. But after CGS I stopped following because of other games/job commitments so I always wondered what happened to a lot of the American players. This is for cs and css.
Any news on rambo, shaguar, method, storm, volcano, ksharp, all the gb players, jmc, etc?
I remember when zet moved from the US/Complexity back to his home, whatever happened with that? When I stopped following a lot of people said he was going to go back to being a 1.6 beast cuz that fit his style a lot better.
And internationally players like naikon, element, bsl, hyper, vilden, gulden, archie [eyeballers one], bullen, spawn whatever happened to them? They just lose interest?
The most logical explanation for all of this is just that they faded out from losing interest but I'd like to believe all of them didn't just fade away like this. Following cs was a huge part of my life as you can probably tell when I was younger so I've always wanted to know what happened to these guys. It puts a smile on my face to see players like neo, walle, f0rest, tentpole etc still around.
Rambo & Volcano still plays, not too active though, but they play a couple of online tournaments every now and then. shaGuar is playing poker IIRC, Storm plays for EG. Ksharp & method has quit. It's kinda hard to say anything about the GB players, as they've had a ton of lineups since CPL 2005, and I'm not 100% sure which players you're interested in hearing about, but people like mehLer etc retired a while ago. Out of the guys in jmc, I can only recall zid still playing (he's playing with Rambo). zet moved back home, never played on the same level as he did before and was never heard from again. Naikon and elemeNt have both retired, however they still play some online tournaments (elemeNt actually played at Copenhagen Games with prb etc a couple of weeks ago), but nothing serious. bsl is working as a journalist now, mainly plays CSS when pops online at IRC these days. Hyper, vilden & Gulden all retired a couple of years back - SpawN & Archie has retired aswell. Bullen tried a comeback with NiP, which lasted about 3-4 weeks before he found out he couldn't compete at the same level as he used to.
Most of the guys lost interest after playing the game for 9-11 years, so you can't really blame them for moving on! Tentpole doesn't play actively anymore by the way, sorry to burst your bubble - and walle retired after the fnatic-SK swap last time around :\
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On May 31 2011 01:05 wun4 wrote:Both organizations are embarrassing themselves here, though this all may be kinda exciting for people who love drama I guess. Personally I do feel it's not such a huge deal at this point as I don't feel SK or fnatic are the center of e-sports (organizations-wise) anymore. Especially SK, since lately they failed to produce results (no major CS 1.6 title in years) in most games other than Quake Live and have close to nonexistent presence in SC2. So while they do harm their own reputation, the good thing is I doubt they will harm e-sports in general. At the end of the day, I just hope both SK and fnatic can play some good CS for the rest of the year as I'd like the last year of CS (I doubt it will survive into 2012) to be a good one. I'll be rooting for Na'Vi though 
iirc SK have a pretty solid HoNteam. though I don't think they have perfomed the best they could be. Auctally fnatic's team dominated the HoN scene for quite a while.
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On May 31 2011 02:45 VENDIZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 02:10 Ack1027 wrote:
I know this is probably a little off topic and I was going to PM this to you anyway Zlasher but you seem pretty up to date on cs stuff and maybe other people wanna know too. Also other people can pitch in as well?
I played comp cs for a while and loved to follow all the shit that went on between top teams. But after CGS I stopped following because of other games/job commitments so I always wondered what happened to a lot of the American players. This is for cs and css.
Any news on rambo, shaguar, method, storm, volcano, ksharp, all the gb players, jmc, etc?
I remember when zet moved from the US/Complexity back to his home, whatever happened with that? When I stopped following a lot of people said he was going to go back to being a 1.6 beast cuz that fit his style a lot better.
And internationally players like naikon, element, bsl, hyper, vilden, gulden, archie [eyeballers one], bullen, spawn whatever happened to them? They just lose interest?
The most logical explanation for all of this is just that they faded out from losing interest but I'd like to believe all of them didn't just fade away like this. Following cs was a huge part of my life as you can probably tell when I was younger so I've always wanted to know what happened to these guys. It puts a smile on my face to see players like neo, walle, f0rest, tentpole etc still around. Rambo & Volcano still plays, not too active though, but they play a couple of online tournaments every now and then. shaGuar is playing poker IIRC, Storm plays for EG. Ksharp & method has quit. It's kinda hard to say anything about the GB players, as they've had a ton of lineups since CPL 2005, and I'm not 100% sure which players you're interested in hearing about, but people like mehLer etc retired a while ago. Out of the guys in jmc, I can only recall zid still playing (he's playing with Rambo). zet moved back home, never played on the same level as he did before and was never heard from again. Naikon and elemeNt have both retired, however they still play some online tournaments (elemeNt actually played at Copenhagen Games with prb etc a couple of weeks ago), but nothing serious. bsl is working as a journalist now, mainly plays CSS when pops online at IRC these days. Hyper, vilden & Gulden all retired a couple of years back - SpawN & Archie has retired aswell. Bullen tried a comeback with NiP, which lasted about 3-4 weeks before he found out he couldn't compete at the same level as he used to. Most of the guys lost interest after playing the game for 9-11 years, so you can't really blame them for moving on! Tentpole doesn't play actively anymore by the way, sorry to burst your bubble - and walle retired after the fnatic-SK swap last time around :\
Thanks a lot for this.
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On May 31 2011 02:45 VENDIZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 02:10 Ack1027 wrote:
I know this is probably a little off topic and I was going to PM this to you anyway Zlasher but you seem pretty up to date on cs stuff and maybe other people wanna know too. Also other people can pitch in as well?
I played comp cs for a while and loved to follow all the shit that went on between top teams. But after CGS I stopped following because of other games/job commitments so I always wondered what happened to a lot of the American players. This is for cs and css.
Any news on rambo, shaguar, method, storm, volcano, ksharp, all the gb players, jmc, etc?
I remember when zet moved from the US/Complexity back to his home, whatever happened with that? When I stopped following a lot of people said he was going to go back to being a 1.6 beast cuz that fit his style a lot better.
And internationally players like naikon, element, bsl, hyper, vilden, gulden, archie [eyeballers one], bullen, spawn whatever happened to them? They just lose interest?
The most logical explanation for all of this is just that they faded out from losing interest but I'd like to believe all of them didn't just fade away like this. Following cs was a huge part of my life as you can probably tell when I was younger so I've always wanted to know what happened to these guys. It puts a smile on my face to see players like neo, walle, f0rest, tentpole etc still around. Rambo & Volcano still plays, not too active though, but they play a couple of online tournaments every now and then. shaGuar is playing poker IIRC, Storm plays for EG. Ksharp & method has quit. It's kinda hard to say anything about the GB players, as they've had a ton of lineups since CPL 2005, and I'm not 100% sure which players you're interested in hearing about, but people like mehLer etc retired a while ago. Out of the guys in jmc, I can only recall zid still playing (he's playing with Rambo). zet moved back home, never played on the same level as he did before and was never heard from again. Naikon and elemeNt have both retired, however they still play some online tournaments (elemeNt actually played at Copenhagen Games with prb etc a couple of weeks ago), but nothing serious. bsl is working as a journalist now, mainly plays CSS when pops online at IRC these days. Hyper, vilden & Gulden all retired a couple of years back - SpawN & Archie has retired aswell. Bullen tried a comeback with NiP, which lasted about 3-4 weeks before he found out he couldn't compete at the same level as he used to. Most of the guys lost interest after playing the game for 9-11 years, so you can't really blame them for moving on! Tentpole doesn't play actively anymore by the way, sorry to burst your bubble - and walle retired after the fnatic-SK swap last time around :\
Aye, thanks, I stopped following about four years ago; I certainly don't think anyone blames anyone for quitting, just missing the good ol' days :D
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On May 30 2011 14:11 masterbreti wrote:
i'm shocked there is still a cs 1.6 esports scene uch anymore. anyone how how exactly big it is?
Top 3 prize money winning teams for a single year:
1st Na`Vi $207,749 (2010)
2nd fnatic $175,622 (2009)
3rd SK.swe $171,642 (2003)
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Ah I remember watching countless CPL & WCG matches on HLTV. Good times
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does anyone even know how that hltv thing works. I wanted to see exactly how their replay system worked and i couldn't figure out how to even get it working. couldn't even find the program i needed either.
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drop the demo into cs folder and type viewdemo "demoname" in console
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The last year of CS1.6 with Swedish 1.6-teams have been so fun to watch/read.
After not placing well in a couple of tournaments
'We got this new player 'Y' he will now be replacing 'X' because 'X' hasn't been performing that well.'
Next event after not placing top #3
-'Ok the player 'Y' didn't fit in socially so we are replacing him with 'Z'.
Next event after not placing top #3
-'Uhm.. the team didn't have time to practice that much with 'Z'.
Rinse and repeat, L2Na'Vi and stick with one team and play alot!
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On May 31 2011 08:16 ekaj wrote:
drop the demo into cs folder and type viewdemo "demoname" in console
what console?
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On May 31 2011 08:49 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 08:16 ekaj wrote:
drop the demo into cs folder and type viewdemo "demoname" in console what console?
Press '~'
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On May 31 2011 08:54 Shana wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 08:49 masterbreti wrote:On May 31 2011 08:16 ekaj wrote:
drop the demo into cs folder and type viewdemo "demoname" in console what console? Press '~'
says it could not load file, so idk
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On May 31 2011 07:19 masterbreti wrote:
does anyone even know how that hltv thing works. I wanted to see exactly how their replay system worked and i couldn't figure out how to even get it working. couldn't even find the program i needed either.
HLTV is the ultimate* viewer experience, as it puts you in the game free to spectate any player or float free throughout the map. It's part of the reason it took me so long to tolerate competitive RTS, I hate shoutcasters and observers.
Rather than spam the forum with the instructions, here's the second result from the Google search, with screenshots and everything: http://myreplays.wordpress.com/cs-guide/
* of course, I'm talking about for watching live tournaments where you simply join the server and are part of the action live; as far as replays go it's basically the same as a Blizzard replay except Valve never put any effort into getting the Open Replay dialog working (THANKS SOURCE).
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On May 31 2011 02:10 Ack1027 wrote:
I know this is probably a little off topic and I was going to PM this to you anyway Zlasher but you seem pretty up to date on cs stuff and maybe other people wanna know too. Also other people can pitch in as well?
I played comp cs for a while and loved to follow all the shit that went on between top teams. But after CGS I stopped following because of other games/job commitments so I always wondered what happened to a lot of the American players. This is for cs and css.
Any news on rambo, shaguar, method, storm, volcano, ksharp, all the gb players, jmc, etc?
I remember when zet moved from the US/Complexity back to his home, whatever happened with that? When I stopped following a lot of people said he was going to go back to being a 1.6 beast cuz that fit his style a lot better.
And internationally players like naikon, element, bsl, hyper, vilden, gulden, archie [eyeballers one], bullen, spawn whatever happened to them? They just lose interest?
The most logical explanation for all of this is just that they faded out from losing interest but I'd like to believe all of them didn't just fade away like this. Following cs was a huge part of my life as you can probably tell when I was younger so I've always wanted to know what happened to these guys. It puts a smile on my face to see players like neo, walle, f0rest, tentpole etc still around.
A lot of american players just stopped playing, but the scene was always there. There is still a large scrim/pug community going and cevo always has plenty of teams entered in the open section. Nowadays EG pretty much dominates any american scene so the professional level is nearly non existent. Zet moved back to sweden and plays for....I can't remember the team at the moment...some consistent e-sport organization, that or he's retired. Most of the other players you've named all retired or just got old and dont' have any drive to play professionally anymore. Rambo is still around on occassion but I doubt he has any drive to compete and train at the highest level anymore (he competed at MLG Raleigh I think, in starcraft 2. Proceeded to get properly stomped once he played any players of note. But for the most part its the same as any 28-30 year olds nowadays in esports. They don't find the need or motivation to play anymore.
On May 31 2011 02:51 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 01:05 wun4 wrote:Both organizations are embarrassing themselves here, though this all may be kinda exciting for people who love drama I guess. Personally I do feel it's not such a huge deal at this point as I don't feel SK or fnatic are the center of e-sports (organizations-wise) anymore. Especially SK, since lately they failed to produce results (no major CS 1.6 title in years) in most games other than Quake Live and have close to nonexistent presence in SC2. So while they do harm their own reputation, the good thing is I doubt they will harm e-sports in general. At the end of the day, I just hope both SK and fnatic can play some good CS for the rest of the year as I'd like the last year of CS (I doubt it will survive into 2012) to be a good one. I'll be rooting for Na'Vi though iirc SK have a pretty solid HoNteam. though I don't think they have perfomed the best they could be. Auctally fnatic's team dominated the HoN scene for quite a while.
SK's hon team is, by many accounts, the best in the world the past month or so. EG had their dominant streak from weheartpigs to loaded and EG, but aroudn the time they joined EG, fnaticMSI started being the number one team undisputably for a short period of time but they have since fallen off to a "top 5" category, along with EG. SK is probably the best of the three at this moment, but EG has made some REALLY big moves recently, ever since they lost chu and bkid, they got bdiz and Korok and now bkid is apparently coming back (chu is gone for good for League of Legends until Dota 2 comes out).
On May 31 2011 03:00 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 02:51 masterbreti wrote:On May 31 2011 01:05 wun4 wrote:Both organizations are embarrassing themselves here, though this all may be kinda exciting for people who love drama I guess. Personally I do feel it's not such a huge deal at this point as I don't feel SK or fnatic are the center of e-sports (organizations-wise) anymore. Especially SK, since lately they failed to produce results (no major CS 1.6 title in years) in most games other than Quake Live and have close to nonexistent presence in SC2. So while they do harm their own reputation, the good thing is I doubt they will harm e-sports in general. At the end of the day, I just hope both SK and fnatic can play some good CS for the rest of the year as I'd like the last year of CS (I doubt it will survive into 2012) to be a good one. I'll be rooting for Na'Vi though iirc SK have a pretty solid HoNteam. though I don't think they have perfomed the best they could be. Auctally fnatic's team dominated the HoN scene for quite a while. SK's HoN players are not contracted however. They do not have any salary. But yeah, they have some good players there.
How sure are you of this? Maybe not ALL their players have salaries but I could have sworn that they were contracted, or at least some of them are.
On May 31 2011 08:26 mole wrote:
The last year of CS1.6 with Swedish 1.6-teams have been so fun to watch/read.
After not placing well in a couple of tournaments
'We got this new player 'Y' he will now be replacing 'X' because 'X' hasn't been performing that well.'
Next event after not placing top #3
-'Ok the player 'Y' didn't fit in socially so we are replacing him with 'Z'.
Next event after not placing top #3
-'Uhm.. the team didn't have time to practice that much with 'Z'.
Rinse and repeat, L2Na'Vi and stick with one team and play alot!
Navi also had the ability to all live under one household for over a year and having Arbalet as their sponsor. Nevertheless it is my opinion that they are still the greatest team of all time, and yes that includes 2003 SK and the old NiP and 2009 Fnatic teams.
And to those asking how to view a replay you need to put the demo into your /steamapps/yourusername/cstrike folder and then type into the console viewdemo "demonamehere.dem"
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On May 31 2011 09:01 masterbreti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 08:54 Shana wrote:On May 31 2011 08:49 masterbreti wrote:On May 31 2011 08:16 ekaj wrote:
drop the demo into cs folder and type viewdemo "demoname" in console what console? Press '~' says it could not load file, so idk
make sure the demo file is in the cstrike folder
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On May 31 2011 10:21 Zlasher wrote:
SK's HoN players are not contracted however. They do not have any salary. But yeah, they have some good players there.
How sure are you of this? Maybe not ALL their players have salaries but I could have sworn that they were contracted, or at least some of them are.
Expecting these quote tags to fail... anyway, i can say that it's quite likely they aren't contracted. As an ex-SK employee i can confirm that the G7 had an agreement to not pay any WoW teams. Obviously that's a different game, but they definitely have form for that kind of thing. The way staff (players, writers, whatever) are treated by most esports organisations - at least in the West - is a joke.
Also, column i wrote on this subject: http://rakakaworld.com/index.php?newsID=306 Pretty much saying what has been said here; SK and Fnatic are not the centre of the earth that they used to be.
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