EPTWhy Esports Will Fail - Page 9
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Spidinko
Slovakia1174 Posts
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On May 28 2011 13:56 Try wrote: Starcraft was not made to be a spectator sport, it was made to appeal to millions of kids so that they would buy the game. Blizzard has little to zero incentive to make any of their games into an esport; there simply is not money to be made. I'm sorry but this is just a joke of an argument. Your OP was semi-intelligible at certain points but these are just flimsy replies to make your point stand out more. The Starcraft franchise is only as popular as it is today because it's a spectator sport. It wasn't made to be one but it sure as hell benefited Blizzard by being one. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On May 28 2011 14:06 shawster wrote: and sports were never invented for money. culture is the main problem. sports are encouraged e-sports are not. factor in the other things like replaceability, catering to casuals and another big reason is that you have to have a console/cpu to play games. you get a basketball and head to the court and you're good to go. once we overcome culture and start developing some better games then we can finally break through. but until then e-sports will be about where it is right now. it's got potential. hell i'd bet money that in my lifetime we'll see an e-sports emerge semi-successfully in western countries. in summary, culture fucks esports up, game makers do it for the money, and how difficult it is to understand the game or difficulties in obtaining the game. I'd like to point out that most sports were not always encouraged. For example, Don Cherry had to run away from home to pursue his pro hockey career... I mean i guess sports and games have always been encouraged to a certain extent just to keep little ones busy, but I'd argue that most kids have a more than fair access to gaming as it is. Games themselves are encouraged, just not to a certain extent. But no one used to encourage any major sport past a certain point either... Hell I recall being scolded for only ever playing hockey as little as ten years ago. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
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Avean
Norway449 Posts
So the big interest we are seeing now is just 0.0001% of what it will be eventually. E-sports will grow incredible big and with SC2 in the front. | ||
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Excessive
Denmark151 Posts
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Coolwhip
927 Posts
On May 28 2011 19:12 Avean wrote: Its a new generation of people. I am 28 years old and most of my friends prefer watching SC2 matchen instead of football. Football is VERY big here but many are watching SC2 matches now. More would watch it if they knew sites like teamliquid existed. So the big interest we are seeing now is just 0.0001% of what it will be eventually. E-sports will grow incredible big and with SC2 in the front. This argument is pretty weak, unless you have thousands of friends. It's pretty normal for someone thats into games to have friends that share that interest. | ||
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Grend
1600 Posts
Stop trying to predict the future, it`s blind luck if you are right anyway. | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
On May 28 2011 19:36 Grend wrote: This is not enough to predict the future of esports. Stop trying to predict the future, it`s blind luck if you are right anyway. well it's not exactly predicting the future there is some analysis involved. thats like saying a person buys a stock and if it goes up it was blind luck. the OP has a good point about esports, it isn't going to stay if new things come out all the time. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10661 Posts
They are not in the least interesting or anything for anyone not playing them on a pretty high level. In RTS and some other Genres you actually can watch and "see" what is done and why it is done whiteout being decent at the game yourself. | ||
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Silentenigma
Turkey2037 Posts
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GrazerRinge
999 Posts
seriously, why does everything have to be about getting bigger and bigger? size doesnt matter, if there are dedicated people in esports like day9 and djwheat and all great players, the quality of esport will remain as great as any other sport. esport might not have the biggest number of fans, but it isnt the true meaning of esport at all. so stop thinking everything in american way. | ||
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DNB
Finland995 Posts
On May 28 2011 02:54 vindKtiv wrote: E-Sports even exists for titles like AoE2 and WC2. Do WC2 communities even exist anymore? | ||
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Grend
1600 Posts
On May 28 2011 19:42 Mykill wrote: well it's not exactly predicting the future there is some analysis involved. thats like saying a person buys a stock and if it goes up it was blind luck. the OP has a good point about esports, it isn't going to stay if new things come out all the time. That`s not analysis in my opinion. It`s a minute point blown out of proportion used to conjecture about the future of E-sports. How do you know that it will not succeed even if new games come out? What data are you basing this on? And about the stock metaphor: Alot of times people do profit on stocks even if they are based on analysis that is wrong. The stock market is volatile and random, investment on the other hand.. | ||
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Frallan
Sweden56 Posts
Sure, a talent can shine in this game. But I think that in the long run. The player that have practiced the most and spent most time in his room playing will be the best. Just my two cents. | ||
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Ejohrik
Sweden219 Posts
On May 28 2011 19:42 Velr wrote: Why do people bring up games like SSMB or other fighters into this? They are not in the least interesting or anything for anyone not playing them on a pretty high level. In RTS and some other Genres you actually can watch and "see" what is done and why it is done whiteout being decent at the game yourself. I would say RTSs are like football, while fighting games are like boxing or MMA. In football, you can descide who's playing the best by looking at different plays and so on, while with MMA you don't have to know the details to see who get's beat up the most. In StarCraft II, you watch who makes what build and if their micro is good, by watching details in the game. In Street Fighter IV, you watch who's life-bar is decreasing the most. I would even say it's much easier to follow a match in a fighting game since it's mostly easily tracked statistics (super meter, life bar), while in StarCraft you have to be able to analyze situations by watching more abstract statistics (supply count, # or bases, income) to figure out who's actually in the lead. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Yea and they make the BGHers look like mannered children. http://war2.warcraft.org/forum/index.php | ||
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-Crayon-
United States3 Posts
As far as "making games less competitive by softening the learning curve" is concerned, I think you're way off. The learning curve on SC2 for a new player is still insanely steep. Less so, if they have experience with BW, which is why you'll notice that most of the current pro SC2 players were pro or semi-pro BW or WC3 players. Kind of shoots your "game sequels ruin the chances of successful e-sports" argument in the foot. And if you don't think SC2 is hard enough, quit playing Terran. Or stop 4-gating. Or, you know what, try playing zerg. All joking aside, though... I would totally buy Wheaties if Fruitdealer was on the box. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On May 28 2011 19:59 Boblion wrote: Yea and they make the BGHers look like mannered children. http://war2.warcraft.org/forum/index.php Most users ever online was 337 on Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:29 pm I laughed. | ||
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Bishop148
United States9 Posts
On May 28 2011 02:49 Novalisk wrote: E-Sports has seen a huge growth with SC2, and it will see a huge growth should SC3 arrive as well, which I remind you is at the very least a decade away. I agree, and just for the record, the whole SC3 what if gave me chills and a huge boner at the same time, lol.... Seriously though, I am a 34 year old gamer, have been since I was 8. The whole idea of eSports supplanting or even becoming mainstream is a bit farfetched for the simple fact that your main sports (Football (US and World versions), Baseball, Basketball, and Hockey) have been around for so long that it would take at least 2-3 generations of hardcore fans to even get close to mainstream. Cult of fanantics is the more likely road, because IMO once and egamer, always an egamer...... | ||
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