EPTWhy Esports Will Fail - Page 10
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Drium
United States888 Posts
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Vandal
United States138 Posts
I hope that graphics have gotten to a point where this will be much less of a problem. How will SC2 look compared to games 10 years from now? Will it look good enough that potential new players will still give it a chance? EDIT: To connect this more with what the OP was saying: In the past when a sequel was released many people switched over because, with the possible exception of gameplay, all aspects of the game are improved; pathing, graphics, user interface... In SC2 units now go where they're told to go, graphics are good enough where it is easy to understand what is going on, and features like mbs and automine make it more user-friendly. In the future I think that SC3 or other games won't be able to make such drastic improvements in these areas, which will result in people judging the game with much more emphasis on core gameplay, strategic depth, and competitiveness, rather than just switching games based on general improvements. Some people will say that SC2 does not have the strategic depth to make it as long lasting as Broodwar; if that turns out to be true, than some other game will be able to combine gameplay with graphics and that game will lead esports to become "successful". | ||
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pyrogenetix
China5094 Posts
Any successful televised activity will need a large fanbase. Taekwondo, golf, chess, snooker are all games that have gained popularity and finally become economically profitable to televise. With overpopulation in the world and more people getting internet acces, more young people are going to switch to video games as their main source of entertainment rather than soccer or basketball. Unless some miracle changes the trend and kids start doing more physical activity, more and more people with aggregate demand will be wanting televised video game competitions as time goes on. It doesn't matter if the games change. MMA has changed their rules many times. As long as people are willing to pay for it, you'll get it on a free market. It's quite simple actually. If anything I think that e-sports will be televised for sure, it's only a question of when. Whether or not the OSL overtakes the Champions League in popularity is simply down to how large of a timeframe you are looking at. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
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GrimReefer
United States442 Posts
yes mma has changed their rules many times, but not since they got popular. as soon as they went mainstream things were set in stone, or maybe they kept changing the rules to find out what the mainstream wants. but bascially they just adopted boxing's rule. can you blame them? it started out as 1 round, no time limit, no weightclasses, and the entire tournament fought in one night. not really a recipe for success. also the fact that there is a disconnect between the fans and the players is something mainstream will not enjoy. in the sense that while i'm watching a football game, i get to see peyton manning throw the ball and his reactions to the pass. while watching starcraft2 you could tell me anyone is playing and i'll never know until the end of the match when they show the winner, if they show him at all. you never see a player getting upset at his failed drop or poor micro, but you see athletes cheering and jeering all game long. i want to see some nerd's wry little smile when his banshee kills 8 probes, or when he detonates those burrowed banelings. i want to actually see what the player is doing in game, not just what the observer decides to show me. how many times have you seen someone's micro drift just a little during a battle, and wonder if he switched home real quick to macro. even in chess you get to see the players interaction with the pieces, but in starcraft you never know what the player is doing at that moment. sure you see his army moving around, but is he watching it or is he in his base macroing? | ||
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Kong John
Denmark1020 Posts
Saying that Esports will fail is just pure bullshit! Esport is so young and its not like any other sport so comparing it to sports like football is stupid as hell. Those two dont even compare at all. In sports you make a game with simple frame and let the human physic do the rest. In Esports you build an extremely complex frame and let the human mind AND physic do the rest. It is going to take a while but mark my words, Esports is the future, but its not going to happen overnight. So people who dismiss it based on stupid minor example should shut up and let Esports form. The only thing that may stand in the way of Esports is that people seem to have a tendency to outright dismiss it without giving it a chance. + Show Spoiler + My post isn't very well writing, I'm really tired, but i hope you can get my point | ||
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sirrobert5
United Kingdom62 Posts
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On May 28 2011 02:59 Try wrote: We'll see how active the BW community is 5 years from now. The only reason it will eventually die (at least in Korea) is because it looks butt-ugly. I would not be overwhelmingly surprised if SC2 custom map BW gets taken up eventually. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
What is funny ? This is a small underground community site of a very old game. In 2005 it was almost ten years old already. Having a small community isn't really a problem, as long as you find some decent opponents to improve. I have a lot of fun playing Wesnoth or Quakeworld whereas there is often < 100 players online for example. | ||
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Bombmk
Denmark95 Posts
It will never get to the point of the bigger regular sports. People can identify and compare with the physical sports. They can pretty easily judge/reference what they see against themselves and their own capabilities. Computer games not so much. To a large extent you have to be a player at some level to understand and appreciate the intricacies of whats going on. Not necessarily of the specific game, but having some experience in the genre will make it a lot apparent to you as the viewer. But the amount of people being "gamers" to some extent is growing and so will e-sports. It won't fail. | ||
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
what about poker? one could argue that poker should die out because it is not entirely comprised of skill. They aren't going to come out with texas holdem 2.0 with better graphics that makes texas holdem 1.0 obsolete. It's a bad comparison. Also many people don't consider poker a sport. To me it's as much of a sport as furious masturbation. With games like CS1.6, BW, DotA, SF2, and Q3/QL that have transcended time and sequels, I don't even understand how this statement that "e-sports will die" can be true. I don't think he's saying esports will die in that what we know now will cease to be... he's saying esports will never be like traditional sports because of the medium they are bound to and he makes a pretty solid argument. Also, putting BW with those games with exception to maybe CS 1.6 is absurd. Checkers to chess. I contribute at speed demos archive which for those who don't know is a site that has a small but hardcore community who speed runs games, many of which, are very difficult. You mentioned battletoads so here's a 19 minute speed run of the game for those interested in seeing how a good player can completely wreck a hard game and make it look easy. http://speeddemosarchive.com/Battletoads.html#norm | ||
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
Furthermore, the transient popularity of video game titles, even e-Sports classics such as BW (professional BW is what? 10+ years old? does it have a reasonable chance to survive another 100 years like football or at least 50 years like basketball and tennis etc?), makes it incredibly risky to base a career on becoming a professional gamer. What's worse is the very limited options that a professional gamer faces once his or her career is over. It's pretty much either university (entering several years late) or administrative duties in a gaming company, and possibly commentary. | ||
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Sqq
Norway2023 Posts
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lisward
Singapore959 Posts
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
On May 28 2011 21:47 lisward wrote: I think it's simply case of apples and oranges. When D+/C- translates to masters I think it's a little more than apples and oranges. Don't get me wrong, I love watching sc2. It's fun to watch, but I'm still waiting to see something really amaze me. | ||
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Sweepstakes
United States92 Posts
On May 28 2011 20:56 GrimReefer wrote: the fact the esports have to deal with balance is a big issue in my book. comparing fruitdealers gsl1 win to whoever won the last one isn't possible b/c the game has changed several times since then. no other main stream sport goes through changes like this. it's always 90 feet to first in baseball, a football field is always 120 yards by 62 1/3 yards (i'm almost positive the width is right), soccer is always 11v11, and so on. yes mma has changed their rules many times, but not since they got popular. as soon as they went mainstream things were set in stone, or maybe they kept changing the rules to find out what the mainstream wants. but bascially they just adopted boxing's rule. can you blame them? it started out as 1 round, no time limit, no weightclasses, and the entire tournament fought in one night. not really a recipe for success. also the fact that there is a disconnect between the fans and the players is something mainstream will not enjoy. in the sense that while i'm watching a football game, i get to see peyton manning throw the ball and his reactions to the pass. while watching starcraft2 you could tell me anyone is playing and i'll never know until the end of the match when they show the winner, if they show him at all. you never see a player getting upset at his failed drop or poor micro, but you see athletes cheering and jeering all game long. i want to see some nerd's wry little smile when his banshee kills 8 probes, or when he detonates those burrowed banelings. i want to actually see what the player is doing in game, not just what the observer decides to show me. how many times have you seen someone's micro drift just a little during a battle, and wonder if he switched home real quick to macro. even in chess you get to see the players interaction with the pieces, but in starcraft you never know what the player is doing at that moment. sure you see his army moving around, but is he watching it or is he in his base macroing? I'm pretty sure most BW broadcasts have what you mention in your post (showing the players' faces, using the player's first person cam, etc.) | ||
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barth
Ireland1272 Posts
When you compare BW in Korea 10 years ago with BW in Korea today, had it's popularity declined? From my fairly uneducated viewpoint, quite the opposite. If you also take into account the rising global acceptance for video games, SC2 seems to have a bright future. Will SC2 ever be able to compete with sports like football or basketball? Almost certainly not, but who needs it to be? There are many much lesser sports with hundreds of professional players. I would be happy if SC2 gets to that stage, and in my opinion it looks very likely that it will. | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
So, we have viewers drinking and coming togheter to view it, arenas... what more do you want? In due time teams will develop etc. bringing more fans to bear in the different camps. | ||
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simme123
Sweden810 Posts
I think the sc2 dev team needs to rethink a lot of the game for it to be a successful e-sports game. Because right now it's not the game that's keeping me watching and playing it's the community that has been build around it as it is probably the best one out there. I really hope blizzard aren't afraid of switching up a lot of the gameplay for HotS or LotV beacuse I think it'll need it to last in the long run. Blizzard need to realize that new isn't always better as people have mentioned in this thread, Counter strike source was a huge fail and the CS scene is still up and going same goes for Quake 4 which was just not good at all compared to the 3rd one so they made quake live. And to a certain degree in Korea we can see that the interest for BW is a lot bigger. | ||
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