EPTAlso what level do we find the first shop?
Thanks for the help
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mechavoc
United States664 Posts
Also what level do we find the first shop? Thanks for the help | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
On December 10 2011 04:17 mechavoc wrote: Is there a tirck to the food my spriggen is almost always starved. Also what level do we find the first shop? Thanks for the help Don't waste time and you should have no food problems. If you haven't yet found any food and you're a Spriggan maybe don't cast spells that have a food cost. Or play a different race. You are guaranteed some shops in Orc:4. Otherwise they're purely random. I'm not sure if there's a minimum depth for shops but I've found some on about D:4 before. | ||
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Xiberia
Sweden634 Posts
D up until lair -> lair 1-8 -> orc 1-4 -> dungeon up until vaults -> snake 1-4 (if you have rpois) -> elf 1-4 if you have decent MR and resists and/or are using cloud spells -> vaults 1-7 -> dungeon until it gets rough (usually around D:20 or so) -> finish up the lair branches (not slime though, you need special equipment for that) -> elf: 5 -> dungeon until it gets rough again, though you should be able to clear all the way down to 27 -> V: 8 (BE VERY CAREFUL DOWN HERE) -> zot 1-5 -> win. Orc: 4 can be very risky so if it gets rough at all, leave it for a bit later. Vaults 1-7 and elf 1-4 are interchangeable depending on your abilites, vaults mostly features physical damage while elf has lots of magic (wear conservation if you like your scrolls). Elf: 5 can be done immediately if you're using poisonous cloud or freezing cloud assuming you're cautious enough(seriously, don't try this if you're unsure you can be patient and tactical enough). At any point if you find some unique that is too tough or a floor simply features enemies that are too tough for you, turn back and return later. Safety is key. Never take a risk if it can be avoided. Note that this branch order was written for trunk. If you're playing a version where Hive still exists, do it somewhere post-orc when you have rpois. | ||
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beef42
Denmark1037 Posts
On December 09 2011 01:42 Yacobs wrote: DE Wizard??? That's a terrible combination for a beginner. DE is an intermediate/advanced race due to their super low survivability. Additionally, their awesome spellcasting abilities don't even matter for a regular 3-rune win -- it only helps for getting the highest level spells going earlier than usual and maintaining them at a lower hunger cost. So, basically, for someone going for their first win, there's literally no reason to use a DEWz. HEWz is much easier. Even a NaWz is easier as long as you understand you need to Blink away from tough enemies and abuse your intrinsic rPois by using Mephitic Cloud, like, all the time. Actually, they made it so everybody starts with 12ish HP recently. So HE is nothing but a shit DE, and NaWz wtf? You know nagas are slow right? | ||
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MrBitter
United States2939 Posts
SP Wz. Lucked out a ton with equipment, picking up an awesome spear on D2 with +3 Int, +2 Dex, Invis, Blink, Levitate. I'm being really cautious about Orcs this time, and am thinking about jumping into Lair. I've never actually gotten to Lair before. Any hints for when I get there? Also, have'n some spellbook issues. I took Vehumet, but the bastard won't give me any books, and magic missile is really losing its killing power. Halp!? | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
On December 10 2011 11:01 MrBitter wrote: Finally feel like I'm putting together a decent run. SP Wz. Lucked out a ton with equipment, picking up an awesome spear on D2 with +3 Int, +2 Dex, Invis, Blink, Levitate. I'm being really cautious about Orcs this time, and am thinking about jumping into Lair. I've never actually gotten to Lair before. Any hints for when I get there? Also, have'n some spellbook issues. I took Vehumet, but the bastard won't give me any books, and magic missile is really losing its killing power. Halp!? The fuck are you doing going into Orc before Lair before this? Lair is full of beasts--which means no enemies with equipment, very few ranged attacks, and overall a lot of experience with minimal danger. Basically every character wants to do Lair as soon as it appears. It's low-risk and high-reward. Doubly so for spriggans since they're faster than frogs. Orc on the other hand is high-risk and low-reward for the most part, since the popcorn orcs give pathetic experience and the dangerous orcs are, well, dangerous. | ||
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MrBitter
United States2939 Posts
Far and away my best run yet. Cleared out the Lair, and went back to Orcs, only to die in, you guessed it, Orcs:4. I was doing fine - Amulet of Guardian Spirit adds a lot of survivability, btw - until blinking into an ogre mage and some of his buddies. I thought I could get away with a blink, but instead of helping me, it put me right in the middle of the pack. Insult to injury: I had a scroll of blink in my inventory, and stairs within site of me when my casted blink fucked me. T.T Live and learn. Have'n a ton of fun with the casters. The game really picks up once you start unlocking the later spell books. I kinda got spell happy last time, and wound up with a lot of useless spells, and no scroll of amnesia to clear space for the new ones I wanted to learn. Next time I'll definitely save room for Orb of Destruction, or whatever its called. | ||
]343[
United States10328 Posts
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MrBitter
United States2939 Posts
On December 10 2011 13:59 ]343[ wrote: Mmm, Guardian Spirit is generally pretty bad for casters as far as I've heard/seen... having no mana while being hit makes you about as good as dead :/ I like it a lot on the Spriggan Wizard I just played. It effectively doubles my HP, meaning when I make a bad decision (which is often) I can still survive long enough to try something else. | ||
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MrBitter
United States2939 Posts
Decided to make a Berserker, because I've been playing casters almost exclusively for the past few days. Trog gifted me this really crazy axe. Some cursed demon axe with some absurd bonuses and something like +12/+13 (wtf does that mean, btw?) Sometimes when I would hit enemies, the axe would summon a smoke demon. Fucking awesome. If I ever removed curse, the axe would recurse itself (lol) and whenever I spotted an enemy, I became mesmerized and had to kill it. rofl. Obviously there are drawbacks to something like that when playing Crawl. I got mesmerized by a Yack in the Lair. Normally that's no big deal, but because I couldn't move away, I wasn't able to position myself in a corner or in a hallway like you would normally want to. I got surrounded by all 6 of his yack buddies, and was ceremoniously yacked to pieces. Really, really fun time. I think I will make another Berserker next time I play. Perhaps an Ogre. | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
+12/+13 on a weapon means that you get +12 to-hit and +d13 damage (or something like that ... I don't know the formula). +damage is more important than +hit. Just so you know, Ogres are the worst race in the game. They have bad aptitudes, limited equipment, and they're big so they get a sizable EV hit. They're much like a Troll without all the beneficial Troll innate mutations. They're mainly a challenge race. If you want an easy race to play as a berserker then Kobold is a good choice. Probably Halfling also, since you get similar aptitudes and the same small size dodging bonus with more HP (but no saprovore). In either of those cases use short blades. If you want to use big weapons (axes or long blades probably) then you could use a Minotaur or Hill Orc, or you can go unarmed and play a Troll. | ||
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MrBitter
United States2939 Posts
On December 10 2011 18:04 crate wrote: Yeah, the Obsidian Axe is a great way to get yourself killed. You should never use it if you're trying to win. +12/+13 on a weapon means that you get +12 to-hit and +d13 damage (or something like that ... I don't know the formula). +damage is more important than +hit. Just so you know, Ogres are the worst race in the game. They have bad aptitudes, limited equipment, and they're big so they get a sizable EV hit. They're much like a Troll without all the beneficial Troll innate mutations. They're mainly a challenge race. If you want an easy race to play as a berserker then Kobold is a good choice. Probably Halfling also, since you get similar aptitudes and the same small size dodging bonus with more HP (but no saprovore). In either of those cases use short blades. If you want to use big weapons (axes or long blades probably) then you could use a Minotaur or Hill Orc, or you can go unarmed and play a Troll. Doesn't going unarmed defeat the purpose of worshiping Trog? What would he gift me? | ||
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]343[
United States10328 Posts
On December 10 2011 18:19 MrBitter wrote: Doesn't going unarmed defeat the purpose of worshiping Trog? What would he gift me? You could wield a weapon for its ego properties, but Trolls have more aptitude for unarmed (plus they have a few unarmed attacks, even if you have a weapon, that'll get trained anyway.) | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
So, sure, you don't have a use for weapons. That's fine, because you don't need them and being able to use Trog's abilities is still pretty darn powerful. Not like Trolls have useful spellcasting aptitudes anyway. | ||
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Ulfsark
United States958 Posts
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Stossel
United States47 Posts
I've got a HOGl through the Crypt now w/ TSO 5, so I should be back there soon enough. | ||
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Mothra
United States1448 Posts
On December 11 2011 02:52 Ulfsark wrote: Can anybody link me to a guide that explains how gods work? I have been playing casually during my breaks in school and have not figured it out yet. Thanks. http://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=CrawlWiki If anyone having trouble early or mid game, just get mephitic cloud. | ||
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Ulfsark
United States958 Posts
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beef42
Denmark1037 Posts
I highly suggest you use the knowledge bots for your reference needs. They contain information on all gods, powers, monsters items and so on; and they're actually (mostly) updated. | ||
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Zyrnak
United States179 Posts
Beef42, where do you go to download .10? I can't seem to find it anywhere. Also, is there a tiles version out for it? Thanks =) | ||
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